The Avalyn Digest Sun Feb 9, 1997 Volume 2 : Issue 03 There are 41 messages totalling 816 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. "SHAMELESS" & "M_SPACE" reminders! (TORONTO only!) 2. Looking for J.Brown 3. Revolver 4. slowdive and ride split 7 inch (6) 5. blue day (3) 6. guitar chords/tabs 7. mojave 3 (6) 8. Old school Creation (2) 9. You Only Live Twice//Toronto Indiepop night 10. Mojave 3 - album in April 11. Spiritualized (7) 12. Avalyn II & Golden Hair NEEDED 13. Indie Links 14. Sebastian 15. Trace (2) 16. mailing list 17. Mogwai? (2) 18. Telescopes 19. Bowery Electric remixes 20. Mogwai --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 21:30:50 -0500 From: "Jason A. Paris" Subject: "SHAMELESS" & "M_SPACE" reminders! (TORONTO only!) Hey Kats, Just a few reminders to pass along. First of all, the second installment of "SHAMELESS SUNDAY" at the Lion's Bar (349-A College St, west of Spadina @ Augusta) will take place this Sunday (January 19). It is now officially a weekly event and the cover is still only $2! The night promises to be one of musical diversity featuring the best in indie, pop, alternative, techno, house, trip hop, hip hop, jungle, drone, shoegazing, low-fi and cheese. Requests are always welcome and we don't play the same 50 songs week after week, as other Toronto nights are famous for. As an added bonus, we will also be previewing advance copies of the new Depeche Mode, U2, Gene, Blur and Pavement albums!!! There will also be free giveaways for the latest PolyGram releases as always! So come and be shameless!!! Secondly, for all you drone fans the second installment of "M_SPACE" will be taking place this Wednesday (January 22) also at the Lion's Bar. It is now a regular night as well and will occur every second Wednesday from now on. Therefore, after this week the following one will be February 5th. Judging from the awesome turnout at last week's M_SPACE it is quite obvious that this is the place for Toronto "dronies." Hope to see you all there, JASON PARIS ----------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:17:55 +1100 From: 932228@bud.cc.swin.edu.au Subject: Looking for J.Brown Hi, I'm looking for John Brown on this list who i'm doing a trade with at the moment. I've lost your email and postal addresses and my mail server deleted all my previous mail. Thanks, Anthony. ----------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:16:58 +0100 From: peter Subject: Revolver does anyone know if there is a homepage or something like that about the superb band Revolver? thanks... /peter ------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:49:24 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Holmes Subject: slowdive and ride split 7 inch today at a record show here in michigan..i suprisingly found a blue seven inch by slowdive and ride....since it was only five dollars i bought it....it says in fine print its a limited ed tour collectors item....was just wondering if anyone knew anything about it..how rare ...if it was worth the price...what its from etc steve -------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:05:18 -0500 (EST) From: Melochrome@aol.com Subject: Re: slowdive and ride split 7 inch don't know how rare it is, exactly. it was a promotional split single for the tour they did together in '92. i got one thru someone at EMI & i believe the songs are "leave them all behind"/"she calls". it's probably only worth something to a ride or slowdive collector... -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:09:25 -0500 From: avalyn@chesco.com Subject: Re: slowdive and ride split 7 inch At 09:49 PM 1/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >today at a record show here in michigan..i suprisingly found a blue seven >inch by slowdive and ride....since it was only five dollars i bought >it....it says in fine print its a limited ed tour collectors item....was >just wondering if anyone knew anything about it..how rare ...if it was >worth the price...what its from I've seen it for as much as $15 so you got a good deal. To me a record with ride and slowdive on it is priceless. Too bad LTAB is the dumb shortened version. bye ryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:14:20 -0600 (CST) From: Jason Marc Morehead <00161068@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: Re: slowdive and ride split 7 inch > today at a record show here in michigan..i suprisingly found a blue seven > inch by slowdive and ride....since it was only five dollars i bought > it....it says in fine print its a limited ed tour collectors item....was > just wondering if anyone knew anything about it..how rare ...if it was > worth the price...what its from > > etc i managed to get one of these for free last year. i just signed up for some record store discount card and picked one up. the tracks are: slowdive - "she calls" and ride - "leave them all behind". both are excellent songs, especially "she calls" which is has that gorgeous "just for a day" sound. -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:12:21 -0500 (EST) From: Wade A Settle Subject: blue day I have a question for every blue day owner out there..especially for those who got BLue Day with Souvlaki. Did Blue Day come in the same case as Souvlaki(kind of underneath the cd hidden) or was it in another jewel case and evident that you had bought two cd's. The reason is I have found many places selling the import Souvalki and I want to be sure it will have BLue Day in it still. wade ------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:48:31 +0000 (GMT) From: "Matt.xxxx" Subject: Re: blue day > I have a question for every blue day owner out there..especially for > those who got BLue Day with Souvlaki. Did Blue Day come in the same case > as Souvlaki(kind of underneath the cd hidden) or was it in another jewel > case and evident that you had bought two cd's. The reason is I have > found many places selling the import Souvalki and I want to be sure it > will have BLue Day in it still. > wade Okay. The Blue Day Souvlaki comes with "Bonus CD - Blue Day" written on a small circular sticker. The box is one of those flip-over 2CD affairs - There's also no tracklisting or anything for Blue Day at all. Cheers. matt.xxxx @kcl.ac.uk ------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:13:59 -0500 From: avalyn@chesco.com Subject: guitar chords/tabs Hello, does anybody have any chords/tabs for slowdive or any other similar band? thanks -------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:13:57 -0500 From: avalyn@chesco.com Subject: Re: blue day At 11:12 AM 1/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >I have a question for every blue day owner out there..especially for >those who got BLue Day with Souvlaki. Did Blue Day come in the same case >as Souvlaki(kind of underneath the cd hidden) or was it in another jewel >case and evident that you had bought two cd's. The reason is I have >found many places selling the import Souvalki and I want to be sure it >will have BLue Day in it still. >wade The blue day w/souvlaki comes in just one case. It says "2CD" on the black side hinge part of case and the number is 139x not just 139 and mine has a black sticker that says it has blue day included. It was supposed to be limited so i don't know how likely it is that you would find it anywhere, atleast new. bye ryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:19:33 EST From: metal.mickey@juno.com (matthew a lohrke) Subject: mojave 3 a quick question....in the sleeve notes of my copy of "ask me tomorrow," it has the release year as 1996, but my friend insists his says 1995....anybody know the official release date? thanx, matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:42:01 -0600 From: Brad Nicholson Subject: Re: mojave 3 >a quick question....in the sleeve notes of my copy of "ask me tomorrow," >it has the release year as 1996, but my friend insists his says >1995....anybody know the official release date? Strange, my copy has a release date of 1995. Although, "Ask Me Tommorow" did make CMJ's best 200 albums of 1996 chart. brad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:01:57 -0700 (MST) From: ".mark." Subject: Re: mojave 3 On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, matthew a lohrke wrote: > a quick question....in the sleeve notes of my copy of "ask me tomorrow," > it has the release year as 1996, but my friend insists his says > 1995....anybody know the official release date? the problem is that it depends on in what part of the world you live. 4ad released the mojave 3 album in the uk (and europe, i believe) in the fall of '95, but the US release was delayed until the beginning of '96. that's the scoop... mrk (vonminde@rtt.colorado.edu) ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:23:03 -0500 (EST) From: grilledcheese Subject: Re: slowdive and ride split 7 inch > today at a record show here in michigan..i suprisingly found a blue seven > inch by slowdive and ride....since it was only five dollars i bought > it....it says in fine print its a limited ed tour collectors item....was > just wondering if anyone knew anything about it..how rare ...if it was > worth the price...what its from i got one of those... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:41:29 +0100 (MET) From: dcay@rockland.net Subject: Re: slowdive and ride split 7 inch i was lucky to get two of these for free from the local radio station several years ago. I could've gotten more and was actually thinking of doing so since it only cost me postage but laziness struck. They probably still have tons of it at the station since the DJ was actually begging listeners to ask for them. He said that they had so much of it that they actually decided to use it as wallpaper making the room a very cool blue. cheers, Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:30:22 +0100 (MET) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: mojave 3 In Mon, 20 Jan 1997, ".mark." wrote about mojave 3: >> a quick question....in the sleeve notes of my copy of "ask me tomorrow," >> it has the release year as 1996, but my friend insists his says >> 1995....anybody know the official release date? > > the problem is that it depends on in what part of the world you live. 4ad > released the mojave 3 album in the uk (and europe, i believe) in the fall > of '95, but the US release was delayed until the beginning of '96. Yup, that's right. The European release date was October 16th, 1995 and the US release date was January 16th, 1996. All neatly presented in the discography: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/mojave3.html :-) //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se) -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:48:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jeigh Baden Subject: Re: mojave 3 >>> a quick question....in the sleeve notes of my copy of "ask me tomorrow," >>> it has the release year as 1996, but my friend insists his says >>> 1995....anybody know the official release date? >> >> the problem is that it depends on in what part of the world you live. 4ad >> released the mojave 3 album in the uk (and europe, i believe) in the fall >> of '95, but the US release was delayed until the beginning of '96. > > Yup, that's right. The European release date was October 16th, 1995 > and the US release date was January 16th, 1996. All neatly presented > in the discography: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/mojave3.html :-) This isn't entirely true, as I picked up a US release of _Ask_Me_Tomorrow_ at, of all places, Best Buy in St. Louis in November '95, and yes, its a non-promo us release. They had well over twenty copies in stock. Jeigh ------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:55:41 -0500 (EST) From: Moonstar9@aol.com Subject: Old school Creation hi, just wondering if any of you were into old school Creation records stuff like Momus etc... I think creation was create even before Oasis, Slowdive, etc... Jared ps. Momus is moving to NYC (i think) next month -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 12:17:45 -0500 From: Jeff Birgbauer Subject: Re: Old school Creation >just wondering if any of you were into old school Creation records stuff >like Momus Momus is AWESOME! 20 vodka jellies! chill...God C.P.U. --------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 23:28:13 -0500 (EST) From: Ronald W Anger Subject: You Only Live Twice//Toronto Indiepop night Jane Bond presents YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE An Eclectic Evening of Pop,Trip Hop,Techno, & Lounge Saturday February 1st(and every Saturday after) Lion's Bar & Grill 349A College St(just past Spadina) DJ Josh Anger (9pm-11pm warming up the house with obscure britpop) (+ others) Get more details or join the Angry mailing list by emailing ai242@torfree.net Cheers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 07:22:42 +0100 (MET) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: mojave 3 On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Jeigh Baden wrote about: mojave 3 >> Yup, that's right. The European release date was October 16th, 1995 >> and the US release date was January 16th, 1996. All neatly presented >> in the discography: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/mojave3.html :-) > > This isn't entirely true, as I picked up a US release of _Ask_Me_Tomorrow_ > at, of all places, Best Buy in St. Louis in November '95, and yes, its a > non-promo us release. They had well over twenty copies in stock. That _is_ strange. What does this mean? That 4AD (US) released some domestic copies in October/November 1995, then changed their minds and moved the "official" release date to January 1996, and released the rest of the batch (in a new pressing with 1996 printed on them)? Weird. Anyone at/with a connection to 4AD on the list? //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:46:01 +0100 (MET) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Mojave 3 - album in April Short Mojave 3 news: Picked up from the 4AD mailing list: the Mojave 3 album has been delayed, and now it is set for release in April. //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 22:04:23 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Baker Subject: Spiritualized there has been a lot of talk about spiritualized lately on the mailing lists i am a part of.... i'm not sure if anyone has said this, but i am under the impression (from a reasonably reliable source) that the new album slated for release is tentatively titled: "LADIES AND GENTLEMEN... WE ARE FLOATING THROUGH SPACE..." just thought i would pass it along... i heard it is quite a departure from PURE PHASE... cheers Mike Baker ----------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:19:00 -0800 From: Wilder Gonzales Agreda <932307@cenco.ulima.edu.pe> Subject: Re: Spiritualized Michael Baker wrote: > there has been a lot of talk about spiritualized lately on the mailing > lists i am a part of.... i'm not sure if anyone has said this, but i am > under the impression (from a reasonably reliable source) that the new > album slated for release is tentatively titled: > > "LADIES AND GENTLEMEN... WE ARE FLOATING THROUGH SPACE..." > > just thought i would pass it along... i heard it is quite a > departure from PURE PHASE... The new album is titled "ladies and gentlemen, we are floating on space", and it is supposed to have just NEW tracks, if you remember Lazer...and Pure Phase had some tracks already released on eps or 7", it is supposed to be released on March. A question : when will the new Spectrum will be released? I love the last ep "songs for Owsley". Regards. Wilder. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:27:38 -0800 From: Viet Le Subject: Spiritualized Wilder Gonzales Agreda wrote: > Michael Baker wrote: > >> "LADIES AND GENTLEMEN... WE ARE FLOATING THROUGH SPACE..." >> > The new album is titled "ladies and gentlemen, we are floating on space", OK, now I am confused. I though it was "Ladies and Gentleman, we are Floating *IN* Space". Anyway, it's a great title. --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:26:18 -0500 From: avalyn@chesco.com Subject: Re: Spiritualized >>> "LADIES AND GENTLEMEN... WE ARE FLOATING THROUGH SPACE..." >> >> The new album is titled "ladies and gentlemen, we are floating on space", > > OK, now I am confused. I though it was "Ladies and Gentleman, we are > Floating *IN* Space". Anyway, it's a great title. This is not what their website said i don't think. Cause i know it fit with their name like Spitirualized Laser Guided Melodies and Spiritualized Electric Mainline. Spiritualized Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space doesn't really sound right. hmmmm bye ryan -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:39:16 -0500 (EST) From: butterfly mcqueen Subject: Re: Spiritualized At 12:26 AM 1/30/97 -0500, you wrote: > This is not what their website said i don't think. Cause i know it fit with > their name lik Spitirualized Laser Guided Melodies and Spiritualized > Electric Mainline. Spiritualized Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In > Space doesn't really sound right. hmmmm bye ryan Well, they have a wierd concept regarding their band names. The band name changes with each album, and each album has its own separate title (theoretically). The name change reflects a substantial change in the band's sound. 1 Spiritualized Lazer Guided Melodies - s/t 2 Spiritualized Electric Mainline - Pure Phase 3 Spiritualized Rocket-Shaped Songs - Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space What a bunch of crackheads, eh? :) ; ed -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 01:50:34 -0800 From: Viet Le Subject: Re: Spiritualized butterfly mcqueen wrote: > At 12:26 AM 1/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >> This is not what their website said i don't think. Cause i know it fit with >> their name lik Spitirualized Laser Guided Melodies and Spiritualized >> Electric Mainline. Spiritualized Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In >> Space doesn't really sound right. hmmmm bye ryan > > Well, they have a wierd concept regarding their band names. The band name > changes with each album, and each album has its own separate title > (theoretically). The name change reflects a substantial change in the > band's sound. > > 1 Spiritualized Lazer Guided Melodies - s/t > 2 Spiritualized Electric Mainline - Pure Phase > 3 Spiritualized Rocket-Shaped Songs - Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating > in Space > > What a bunch of crackheads, eh? :) I think Spiritualized, along with their great music, have brilliant concepts, musically and artistically, and having a new appendage to the name "Spiritualized" on each album is among those great concepts. Very creative indeed. --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:04:17 -0500 From: John Brown Subject: Avalyn II & Golden Hair NEEDED Please Help. I desparately need these two tracks. I could trade the two Slowdive tracks from the flexi disc on Sunday Records, or the early My Bloody Valentine tracks before they were on Creation. Any help appreciated Thanks --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 17:36:25 +0000 From: "Albert" Subject: Indie Links Hi all I'm updating the sunday web-site, if you change your URL in the past months, please let me know and i'll make the corrections or go to the 'Sunday Fun Links' page (http://www.pyrotechnics.com/~sunday/link.htm) to change it. Do the same if you want to add a link,. thanks albert / sunday records ******************************************* The Offical Sunday Records Homepage { http://www.pyrotechnics.com/~sunday/sun } will move to a new URL in FEBRUARY http://cybersunday.net/sunday ---------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 13:47:25 +1100 From: 932228@bud.cc.swin.edu.au Subject: Sebastian Hi, I'm looking for Sebastian from Singapore (My mail server deleted all my previous mail a while ago and i lost your address). Just wanted to know if you have recieved my tape yet. E-mail me back. Anthony. ---------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 00:29:17 -0800 From: Viet Le Subject: Trace Anyone know of the band called Trace from Sacramento? I saw them about 3 years ago in S.F. opening for EAR, and was very impressed. Sadyly, I haven't heard from them since. Also, anyone have news about Closedown? ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 04:36:39 -0800 From: milk and kisses Subject: mailing list hello, i would love info on how to subscribe to any my bloody valentine or slowdive/mojave3 mailing list. please... thank you. steph --------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:25:03 -0500 (EST) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Re: Trace > Also, anyone have news about Closedown? What kind of news? Actually, I'm wondering myself if anyone has an e-mail/phone #/regular address for Closedown - Anyone? If anyone would like a copy of the CD, I have one left for in mailorder catalog! The Nearfield CD is $12.75 (plus shipping) if anyone's interested... Daniel ----------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 07:46:10 +0100 (MET) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Mogwai? Interesting thing found on the UK Indie mailing list about a band called Mogwai, who supposedly sounds something like a nice MBV-style instrumental thing. Anyone heard them? Anyway, apparently they're going to tour in Norway in March (Stavanger, Bergen and Olso), so they might come over to Sweden while they're there as well, and that's why I'm looking for more info (ie. what those of you who have heard them think?). They have a web thingie at: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/jared.earle/mogwai/index.html And you can contact them at: Fax: 0141 552 5797 Email: eightballentertainment@compuserve.com MOGWAI PO BOX 15107 Glasgow G1 1US //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se) -------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 15:53:27 -0500 (EST) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Re: Mogwai? > Interesting thing found on the UK Indie mailing list about a band called > Mogwai, who supposedly sounds something like a nice MBV-style instrumental > thing. Anyone heard them? Yeah, I have a few songs on tape by them, as well as the Summer single. They also have a single coming out on that wonderful wurlitzer Jukebox label within a few weeks. I don't know about the MBV comparison being very accurate, but they have nice quiet/noizy arrangements which are pretty superb. Definately worth checking out... Daniel ------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 14:30:54 -0500 (EST) From: "K.P. Ghosh" Subject: Re: Spiritualized On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Michael Baker wrote: > there has been a lot of talk about spiritualized lately on the mailing > lists i am a part of.... i'm not sure if anyone has said this, but i am > under the impression (from a reasonably reliable source) that the new > album slated for release is tentatively titled: > > "LADIES AND GENTLEMEN... WE ARE FLOATING THROUGH SPACE..." > > just thought i would pass it along... i heard it is quite a > departure from PURE PHASE... From what i've heard, the new one is much more of a soul escapade with contributions from dr. john (brilliant blues guy), spring heel jack (incredible dubby drum and bass duo), possibly brian eno, and has been compared to some elvis sessions. It will contain some of the brilliant songs that they played last time i saw them, if my memory is working, some titles were: electricity cop shoot cop come together (not the mc5 cover that spacemen 3 did) Also, they're releasing it under "Spiritualized Rocket Shaped Songs" (i think). I can't wait until spring for another soulful journey c/o them. -Koushik Ghosh -------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 19:03:46 -0800 (PST) From: Gage Crump Subject: Telescopes there was a message posted on the avalyn digest by Claire de Leon! about the sale of 3 telescopes E.P.s. I would be interested in acquiring these. if this message gets to the right location can Claire de Leon! contact me at gage@itsa.ucsf.edu thanks -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:36:21 -0500 (EST) From: butterfly mcqueen Subject: Bowery Electric remixes Sorry about the cross-post, but here's the latest on Bowery Electric, courtesy of Lawrence: - They've been getting some [much-deserved!] attention in the press, and Andrew Weatherall (Sabres of Paradise, Two Lone Swordsman - produced Primal Scream, Happy Mondays et al) has expressed interest in a possible collaboration. I don't know his work, but I know that he did a cool remix of My Bloody Valentine's "Soon." - There will be two remix 12"s (Tortoise, anyone?) released on Beggars Banquet. They're all remixes of songs from the new album, and appearing are the following: The first 12": "Beat" - Mark Clifford (who supposedly checks out the lists from time to time) "Without Stopping" - Witchman "Fear of Flying" - Robert Hampson The second 12": "Empty Words" - Boymerang "Black Light" - Dunderhead "Coming Down" - Immersion (Colin Newman) - As for when these are coming out, "Beggars is looking to get the first 12" out around the third week of March - after _Beat_ is released in the UK and worldwide on the 24th of Feb." I must say I'm pretty psyched! If you *still* haven't picked up _Beat_ -- where have you been?! All I can say is that you are really missing out. ; ed ---------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Feb 97 14:15:00 GMT From: "Samuels, Mark" Subject: Re: Mogwai What I've heard by them sounds pretty good. I heard the new single as well the other day and that sounded great. NME is certainly giving them the hard sell and they reckon that they're brilliant. Ironic really as they sound pretty much like Slowdive and they hate them. I can't see the Valentines comparisson either. It's cooler to be influenced by them though..... Cheers, Mark ---------------------------------- End of The Avalyn Digest #2.03 ****************************** * To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Digest version of the list, send your request (including the word "DIGEST") to: avalyn-request@lysator.liu.se * To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Live version of the list, send your request to: avalyn-request@lysator.liu.se * The maintainer of both mailing lists is chief@lysator.liu.se, and can also be reached at owner-avalyn@lysator.liu.se * All messages to the Live mailing list should be sent to: avalyn@lysator.liu.se * The digests can also be found in in ASCII format at ftp.lysator.liu.se /pub/texts/uxu/avalyn and in HTML format at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html.