The Avalyn Digest Sat Apr 20, 1996 Volume 1 : Issue 06 There are 29 messages totalling 795 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. babytalk.html 2. silvania 3. souvlaki (2) 4. souvlaki moussaka and falafel (3) 5. An English shoegazer writes.... 6. Driving (2) 7. another mojave 3 webpage 8. other music 9. FWD: Message from Rachel 10. Mojave 3 (2) 11. Acoustic set Mojave 3 played in Berkeley yesterday 12. howdy 13. introduction to me. :) 14. A few things (2) 15. Slowdive and the UK press (5) 16. shaving the pavement of san francisco 17. a bit more 18. spectrum 19. still shaving still paving --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Apr 1996 10:45:00 +0100 From: dabl@key.GUN.de (David Bluhm) Subject: Re: babytalk.html > > BABY TALK - THE GUITAR NOISE POP FANZINE > Thanks a lot to whoever posted this - I'm the editor of that fanzine. I'm afraid this information isn't up to date - for those of you who are interested, go to the new Baby Talk page at: http://members.aol.com/dabluhm/babytalk.htm (yes, I know, it's AOL, but it's the only reasonably cheap company here in Germany, that offers free space on the 'net...) --------------------------- Date: 09 Apr 1996 21:18:00 +0100 From: dabl@key.GUN.de (David Bluhm) Subject: Re: silvania > Have you heard Silvania? Of course I have! And they're brilliant! I've got one CD (forgot the title) and a couple of demos. Also, I'm running a fanzine called Baby Talk, and sometimes I put together a tape compilation - so far, I've done 2 compilations ("Garage Flowers" & "Planet Weetabix" - both 60 minutes), and Silvania are featured on both tapes... --------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:34:36 -0500 (EST) From: fiddlepoke Subject: souvlaki I was in a greek resturant two day ago having dinner. I noticed something on the menu sovlaki (no u) is was some king of roast beef and pita sandwich. I ordered falafel. --------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:17:24 -0400 (EDT) From: NWND@grove.iup.edu Subject: souvlaki moussaka and falafel cool deal getting the falafel..falafel is the god of vegetarian foods....along with souvlaki there is moussaka....ie "moussaka chaos" that funky remix of souvlaki space station...wonder if the slowdive/mojave folks are vegetarians or carnivores... ps...if you paly miranda backwards theres a hidden message..."the flesh you so fancifully fry...is murder...." bryan who could never be a vegan for he loves ice cream and cheese way too much ps2...i was kidding of course about the meat is murser reference...just feeling loopy...looking forward to shavin' the pavement... herestothelightoutside ---------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 16:02:40 GMT From: Mark Samuels Subject: An English shoegazer writes.... Dear all Hello, my name is Mark Samuels and I am an English shoey. My passion for Slowdive is unbounded and I was first introduced to them through a music programme (now dead unfortunately) called Snub TV, on BBC2, where the Morningrise video was premiered. Since then I have religiously followed the band, both through their releases and through their live performances. There's no point me telling you why Slowdive are/were so wonderful because you all already know. Personally, I'm a big fan of the Just for a Day album and the early EPs, my particular faves being Morningrise, Albatross, Brighter and the achingly beautiful (almost a hit, it reached 52 in Britain) Catch the Breeze. It's strange to hear how you all have problems buying Slowdive and Mojave 3 stuff in the US because over here its raedily available. This is aided by the fact their popularity is limited and a large number of shops sell second-hand, or over-stocked, Slowdive material. For example, I was able to buy the flexi, fully packaged, at a Record Fair, for stlg2. Just for a Day usually sells for around stlg2 on vinyl (second-hand or new) and most of the EPs can be picked up for a similar price. If you want cheap Slowdive stuff, this is the place! Finally, I was lucky enough to see Mojave 3 when they played at the Highbury Garage, in London, on Decemebr 16th. Poor old Rachel moaned about her ear drum and they all sat down on chairs at the front of the stage. Despite the obvious quietness of the songs, the reproduction was as good as you'd expect and the rousing finale of Mercy was particularly sparkling. If you get the chance to see them, don't miss out, it's still something special. Until next time, keep believing in Slowdive and you'll go to effects pedals heaven. I'll keep you all in mind, Mark. Mark Samuels mls582@bham.ac.uk ------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:21:14 -0500 (EST) From: fiddlepoke Subject: Driving I was driving to band practice after work yesterday. For christmas, I got a portable CD player that you can hook up in your car. I decided to put Pygmalion on. This was the first time I listened to it in the car. Woah, DON'T do this. For some reason, i sped up to 80 mph, and it seemed like I was going slow. The tranciness of freeway driving mixed with the music is a wierd effect, and probably not safe:) just a dumb story ------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:13:06 -0600 (MDT) From: GRIER ANTHONY CHRISTOPER Subject: another mojave 3 webpage tell everyone to check out the mojave 3 webpage its address is: ucsub.colorado.edu/~grier/mojave3.html andy ------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:51:08 -0400 From: larry@interlog.com (les pierres, les arbres, les murs...) Subject: Re: souvlaki >I was in a greek resturant two day ago having dinner. I noticed >something on the menu > >sovlaki (no u) it should have had one, though >is was some king of roast beef and pita sandwich. It's usually meat on a stick, but sometimes they put it in a sandwich. That King of Roast Beef and Pita Sandwich is a bit of a despot, I hear >I ordered falafel. good choice, although not really Greek --------------------------- From: Moonstar9@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 21:46:20 -0400 Subject: other music ardor' by love spirals downwards and it's a gem. are any of you projekt fans beside lovesliescrushing? oh, by the way how is 'DI goes pop' by disco inferno? i was always wondering whether to get it. also can someone recommend a good mouse on mars album? thanx, will you fade, jared ------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:38:35 -0400 From: Srilank@aol.com Subject: Re: souvlaki moussaka and falafel >cool deal getting the falafel..falafel is the god of vegetarian >foods....along >with souvlaki there is moussaka....ie "moussaka chaos" that funky remix of >souvlaki space station...wonder if the slowdive/mojave folks are vegetarians >or >carnivores... hmm. 'moussaka chaos'. Is that on anything besides the 2 track sbk promo? jason srilank@aol.com ------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:01:59 -0400 From: larry@interlog.com (les pierres, les arbres, les murs...) Subject: Re: souvlaki moussaka and falafel >>cool deal getting the falafel..falafel is the god of vegetarian >>foods....along >>with souvlaki there is moussaka....ie "moussaka chaos" that funky remix of >>souvlaki space station...wonder if the slowdive/mojave folks are vegetarians >>or >>carnivores... > >hmm. > >'moussaka chaos'. Is that on anything besides the 2 track sbk promo? Yes, it's on the Outside Your Room EP, along with Alison, Souvlaki Space Station and So Tired. If you find it, buy it. Larry -------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:44:44 -0400 From: larry@interlog.com (les pierres, les arbres, les murs...) Subject: Re: Driving >I was driving to band practice after work yesterday. For christmas, I >got a portable CD player that you can hook up in your car. >I decided to put Pygmalion on. This was the first time I listened to it >in the car. >Woah, DON'T do this. >For some reason, i sped up to 80 mph, and it seemed like I was going >slow. The tranciness of freeway driving mixed with the music is a wierd >effect, and probably not safe:) > >just a dumb story My guess is that since Pygmalion is a fairly quiet album, you turned it up a bit more than for other CDs to be able to hear it above the engine and the road noise. Studies have shown that the louder the music is, the faster you end up driving, without really being aware of it. I think it's because when you can hear the music properly, you have no perception of your speed because you can't hear the engine. Or something. Larry --------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 03:19:11 +0200 (MET DST) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: FWD: Message from Rachel Got this in my mailbox from Rachel: //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se) -----------------------------included message------------------------------- > Date: 07 Apr 96 14:11:17 EDT > From: Rachel Goswell <101502.2725@CompuServe.COM> > To: "INTERNET:chief@lysator.liu.se" > Subject: Re: Love Songs Video / List slowdown > > HI Erik, > > Just wanted to let people know that from April 9th - May 19th I will > (obvioulsy) be in North America, so will not be able to answer any queries... > > Kind Regards, > > rachel. ----------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 09:25:48 PST From: dnuno@ccmail.qcworld.com Subject: Mojave 3 Mojave 3 played a free acoustic concert here in Berkeley, CA yesterday at a local record store. They were fantastic, and they signed autographs afterwards. They're playing tonight in San Francisco; can't wait! dnuno@qcworld.com ---------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 15:31:15 -0400 From: Windblows@aol.com Subject: Acoustic set Mojave 3 played in Berkeley yesterday o that acoustic set in Berkeley yesterday as well..thought i'd add a bit more info.........her is the set list of the songs played..I am pretty sure in this order, however I'm not positive!: After all, Sarah, new song!, Where is the Love, 2nd new song!, Youre Beautiful and..... Mercy (incredible!!!!!) the set was very very good!!.... it was just Rachel, and Ian and Neil playing, but the rest of the band was there as well. Afterwards they hung out a bit and signed autographs etc... and I got to speak with them for a while.....(and yes, they were very friendly, and very unintimidating.. : ) I asked Rachel if she got bugged much from us here on Avalyn..she said "no it wasnt a problem at all", with a smile on her face. so far Neil said they have had good reception from the Lush crowd..and after the tour they will be recording a whole new album!, he said it would be the same line up instrument wise..piano acoustics drums , but the said "it will be a little bit different than the last one". Both the new songs were very good, reminicent of 'Ask me tomorrow'... heres a bit of the lyrics i cought from the first new song.... maybe Rachel can post the rest of the words correctly -and more completly- later?? "Theres a number on the wall, that i've been meaning to call for a long a long time" i know this isnt much, but its something..!! anxious for the show tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!! joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 16:43:50 -0500 (CDT) From: JTH2407@ACS.TAMU.EDU Subject: howdy hi guys and gals!, i am kevin from san antonio TX! i am new to this list! WEll i was just wondering two things! one when is m3 playing in austin? (rachel told me the 20thbut im not sure) two does any one know where i can pick up a copy of blue day? three anyone in my area? kev ---------------------------- Date: 15 Apr 96 18:16:10 EDT From: Elaine <76365.2571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: introduction to me. :) hello everybody! my name is *elaine.* i've been part of this list for a while thanks to jason from nebraska introducing me to it about a month or so ago (thanks jason!). and i think it's absolutely fabulous and i love hearing what you all have to say about slowdive (RIP) and mojave 3, two of the two grandest bands ever. anyway, i'm from new jersey and i love lots of ambient, ethereal music, noise-pop...stuff such as my bloody valentine, cocteau twins, dead can dance, xymox, joy division, lush, etc... oh! and mojave 3 and lush are coming to new york city on may 2nd. hopefully i'll be there!! ok...enough of all this introduction stuff...just wanted to say "hi." :) *elaine* ---------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:06:11 -0700 (PDT) From: elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu (Elvia M. Tarango) Subject: Re: Mojave 3 At 9:25 AM 4/15/96, dnuno@ccmail.qcworld.com wrote: > Mojave 3 played a free acoustic concert here in Berkeley, CA yesterday at a > local record store. They were fantastic, and they signed autographs > afterwards. They're playing tonight in San Francisco; can't wait! yeah I know. I live 6 blocks from Mod Lang...but I was in SF traffic at 4:00pm. Damn. I was trying to remember all week long and then...boom, I forgot and stayed in SF too long. Oh, well. Those of you who will be going to the Shaving the Pavement Concert....have fun. I just can't stand the new LUSH record. ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:39:29 GMT From: Mark Samuels Subject: A few things With reference to some of the recent topics of discussion..... 4AD, somewhat like Creation with Slowdive, don't seem too bothered about advertising Mojave 3. There were a couple of adverts in the music papers and magazines but they weren't exactly everywhere. It's funny, because 4AD do tend to go in for advertising in quite a big way. I mean, when there is Cocteaus, Lush or Belly release they usually take out full page adverts. While we're on the subject of the Cocteaus and Lush, the Cocteau Twins new album is bloody great. Lush, on the other hand, have, in my opinion, gone shit and decided to jump on the stupid Britpop bandwagon. Ladykillers? More like good music killers. Anyway, back to Mojave 3. They were interviewed by NME just after the album release and were featured in the 'on' pages. Nice little interview. The album got a great write up and the person reviewing it went into raptures but only gave it 6 out of 10 because they used to be Slowdive. You get that a lot. There was a review of one of their gigs a couple of weeks back which asked how was it possible for Mojave 3 to have risen from the remains of the worst band ever, Slowdive. Pathetic. Anyway, on the topic of bands sounding like Slowdive, there aren't really too many. Bands don't like to cite truely gifted and innovative musicians as influences. Most tend to sound like the Valentines (ie. a bit more noisey and quicker!). Apart from the obvious refernce points (like MBV, the Cocteaus, EARLY! Lush, Chapterhouse and Seefeel) there are a couple of others worth investigating. Bark Psychosis Fabbo ambient, late night jazz-shoegazing. Marvelous use of repetition and minimalist guitar (chech out the wonderful 'Hex' album). A joy to behold infact. Flying Saucer Attack Despite the clearly rubbish name this band are actually quite good. Lots of noisey but carefully controlled guitar with some lovely minor chord changes. A bit rough at the edges and the singer's not the best but definately worth investigating. Sweet Jesus Now dead (well, they've changed their name to Venus and they're not as good any more) but once great. Quite like MBV (listen to the ace 'Phonefreak Honey' single). Fast, loud and lots of distorted guitar. Finally, it's nigh on impossible to get the 'Slowdive sound'. I know this sounds crap but I used to love the sound checks at Slowdive gigs when the soundmen would come on stage plug in the guitars and just strum. Oh, that sound...... To get a 'Just for a day' type sound its strange how effective a heavy metal effet pedal put through chorus is. Basically it's a case of getting 10 different pedals and playing with the settings. Maybe we could get Rachel to give us a guide! Anyway, until next time, stay cool. Cheers, Mark. ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 14:18:50 -0400 (EDT) From: photon boy Subject: Slowdive and the UK press I have really never understood the intense animosity of the british press towards slowdive. If you read US (AP etc.) they really gave slowdive good reviews. Even reading the latest article on mojave3, the writer praised slowdive throughout. I really can't even begin to understand it! I never read NME/MM etc. as I really couldn't give a fuck about menswear or dodgy or other shit like that, and can't believe that they get such praise, while real art like slowdive was slagged. At least they are being a bit more kind with mojave, but it really is disheartening to read stuff like "they were the worst band ever." joey ------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:07:00 -0700 (PDT) From: elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu (Elvia M. Tarango) Subject: Re: Slowdive and the UK press At 2:18 PM 4/16/96, photon boy wrote: >I have really never understood the intense animosity of the british press >towards slowdive. If you read US (AP etc.) they really gave slowdive good >reviews. Even reading the latest article on mojave3, the writer praised >slowdive throughout. I really can't even begin to understand it! I never >read NME/MM etc. as I really couldn't give a fuck about menswear or dodgy >or other shit like that, and can't believe that they get such praise, >while real art like slowdive was slagged. At least they are being a bit >more kind with mojave, but it really is disheartening to read stuff like >"they were the worst band ever." I have to agree with what your saying. I really don't know what the facination with the country twang thing by British subjects. Mojave incorporates a little C&W and boom, everything is o.k. Go figure. Maybe Slowdive should have done this a lot earlier on some of its songs. Who knows. P.S. Check out a band called Low: I Could Live In Hope. I really think they are better than Mojave 3. A must hear album. It was released in 1994 on Vernon Yard Recordings, so maybe you already have. -------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 17:19:04 GMT -5 From: "WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA" <932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE> Subject: Re: Slowdive and the UK press >>I have really never understood the intense animosity of the british >>press towards slowdive. If you read US (AP etc.) they really gave >>slowdive good reviews. Even reading the latest article on mojave3, >>the writer praised slowdive throughout. I really can't even begin >>to understand it! I never read NME/MM etc. as I really couldn't >>give a fuck about menswear or dodgy or other shit like that, and >>can't believe that they get such praise, while real art like >>slowdive was slagged. At least they are being a bit more kind with >>mojave, but it really is disheartening to read stuff like "they >>were the worst band ever." > >I have to agree with what your saying. I really don't know what the >facination with the country twang thing by British subjects. Mojave >incorporates a little C&W and boom, everything is o.k. >Go figure. Maybe Slowdive should have done this a lot earlier on some >of its songs. Who knows. > >P.S. Check out a band called Low: I Could Live In Hope. I really >think they are better than Mojave 3. A must hear album. It was >released in 1994 on Vernon Yard Recordings, so maybe you already >have. When a band like Slowdive is doing something new, or innovative, there is always the big posibility to generate incomprension -or even animosity- to their art, remember slowdive were always doing avant garde music -even with the 5eps-, so that's why some critics didn't accept them, didn't understand them, but what can we do? that's too a caracteristic of the avant garde, to generate reject in the people, so accustomed to the conventional things. And that's why too Mojave is easy accepted, they're doing now a kind of music really conventional, -that's bad in my dictionary- no one's discussing that they don't have feeling, they really have it!, but they should interest too in the sonic experimentation, in the innovation, and not to be just sentimentalists. Anyway they have done with "Ask me tomorrow" a *great* conventional album. And the Low one is great too. The same goes to Red House Painters, Mazzy Star, etc.. Regards. Wilder. P.S.: If you want to listen more things a la catch the breeze, primal, etc. just listen the first ep and lp from SILVANIA, even they're from 92 and 93, I'm sure you'll *LOVE* them. -------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 20:11:07 -0400 From: larry@interlog.com (naranjas en la cabeza) Subject: Re: A few things >Anyway, back to Mojave 3. They were interviewed by NME just after >the album release and were featured in the 'on' pages. Nice little >interview. The album got a great write up and the person reviewing >it went into raptures but only gave it 6 out of 10 because they used >to be Slowdive. You get that a lot. There was a review of one of >their gigs a couple of weeks back which asked how was it possible for >Mojave 3 to have risen from the remains of the worst band ever, >Slowdive. Pathetic. I think the thing to remember is that the music journos slagging Slowdive now aren't the ones who raved about them in the beginning, unless they happen to be particularly fickle >Finally, it's nigh on impossible to get the 'Slowdive sound'. No, it's not that hard actually. The key to it all is to get a decent digital reverb unit, and playing really really loud (as Slowdive did) helps emphasise the hugeness of the sound >I know >this sounds crap but I used to love the sound checks at Slowdive gigs >when the soundmen would come on stage plug in the guitars and just >strum. Oh, that sound...... Well, if Slowdive were able to get the Slowdive sound, it shouldn't be that hard. But generally, trying to get exactly the same sound as your favourite bands with the same equipment is pretty pointless - where's the excitement in that? Making your own sound is much more interesting. Larry ------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 23:11:47 -0600 From: Stephen Bagwell Subject: Re: Slowdive and the UK press >P.S. Check out a band called Low: I Could Live In Hope. I really think >they are better than Mojave 3. A must hear album. It was released in 1994 >on Vernon Yard Recordings, so maybe you already have. I'll see low in two days mojave 3 in four and bowery elec in 6 damn its good to live! Stephen Bagwell i'm at KJASPERS1@AOL.COM if you want some of me ------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:51:06 -0400 From: Windblows@aol.com Subject: shaving the pavement of san francisco : ) i just wanted to tell everyone on Avalyn (if you are going to see one of these shows on this tour) that you are in for a treat...! Mohave 3's set was absolutely positivley INCREDIBLE. everything from the venue, to the sound, to the quality of music performed was great from each and every band! ok heres mohaves' set list from teh s.f. april 15th show : where is the love sarah tomorrows taken new song- {heres a bt of a lyric that really impressed me-this is the same new song that was the "second new song" at that acoustic show in berekely i posted a while ago} "the picture that you paint, the angel, the saint, its not you, and no one knows but you" candle song3 Mercy new song - (same as '1st new song' from the acoustic show- with only Neil, Rachel and Poppy performing on it) and last time i slaughtered the words..heres that same but much more correct i believe: "i got a number on the wall, and someday soon i'm gonna call but ive been waiting a long long time cus i havent had the right line..." "...finding an easy was to break your heart..." and "Queen jane" - yep Dylans tune ended the show...... it was a mesmerizing experience for me, to put it mildly... everyone was in good spirits..Ian in his cowboy hat strutting around, Rachel smiling sweetly between singing and playing bass, and Neil singing his heart out..... Poppy and Simon. (lets not forget them) were essential to the whole sound.....too bad they couldnt get a grand piano up there!..but thats touring i guess!!! anyway.. Lush was very very impressive actually..not too many new tunes at all..they actually stuck to older material.. : ) playing most of split and a little off spooky etc/ sorry for such a long post, but I figured some people might enjoying reading about this show! for those of you seeing the show tonight in LA... i am jelous of you .... it will be excellent! byeeeeeee joe ---------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:17:12 -0400 From: Windblows@aol.com Subject: a bit more umm i forgot to mention a couple things about Mohave's set.. during teh S.f. show : during tomorrows taken..you knowthw part where the song quiets an slows down and the celo comes in, duing this part neil same like a verse or two of something adding abit ao something differnt to the whole feel of the song...still very nice...andi also forgot to mention that live each and every song was SO mucch more powerful, from "where is the love" there was this fabulous climax with Ian pounding on his symbols and everyone just playing very intensly and intently.. and "Mercy" live is.....astounding...yes! also , a 4AD promo tape " shaving the pavement" was given out at the show, containing on it a beautiful live acoustic verion of 'Mercy' from the KCRW radio show, with just NeiL and Rachel and one guitar. thats it i think (for now!!) joe ---------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 21:49:16 -0400 From: Moonstar9@aol.com Subject: spectrum In a message dated 96-04-15 13:31:18 EDT, you write: >hi, >i found spectrums highs lows and heavenly blows but its like 30$...i have >soul kiss but i was wondering if highs etc was worth the money. i liked >soul kiss but did not fall head over heels for it...what to do. > >how you satisfy me, >jared ---------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 19:05:13 -0400 From: Srilank@aol.com Subject: Re: Slowdive and the UK press >P.S. Check out a band called Low: I Could Live In Hope. I really think >they are better than Mojave 3. A must hear album. It was released in 1994 >on Vernon Yard Recordings, so maybe you already have. Low is the only band I know that peels off a song *slower* than the Red House Painters. The tempo rarely picks up, but given the right mood, the lethargic presentation of low can be very...appropriate. Appropriate but it has the tendency of veeringthisclose to tiresome. While I enjoyed the shared male/female vox present on _I could..._ and _long division_, and could cite 6 songs between the two of them to be IMO 'very good', overall I would not put them in the same bracket as Mojave in terms of who's better and who's um...not as better :) jason srilank@aol.com ------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 23:04:56 -0400 From: Windblows@aol.com Subject: still shaving still paving i was just wondering what other people thought of the tour thus far? well for those of us in the states at least.. any more set lists or show reviews from those would be very dandy as well! anyone??? ..I was also wondering about that "ambient" thing slowdive did that was done for Leaf records?? how is it? descriptions etc.. ( yes, i love descriptions) also... how are the 'in mind' remixes?.. one of the few things i have yet to get from slowdive.. are they any good?, simular to "good day sunshine" kind of stuff?? wonder wonder keeps me here joe ---and yes it has to be said again... ---- DoNt Be So qUIeT!!!!!! i wish we'd get some more 'flowing' with this mailing list!!!!! stagnation is bad for the mind -------------------------- End of The Avalyn Digest #1.06 ****************************** * To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Digest version of the list, send your request (including the word "DIGEST") to: avalyn-request@lysator.liu.se * To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Live version of the list, send your request to: avalyn-request@lysator.liu.se * The maintainer of both mailing lists is chief@lysator.liu.se, and can also be reached at owner-avalyn@lysator.liu.se * All messages to the Live mailing list should be sent to: avalyn@lysator.liu.se * The digests can also be found in in ASCII format at ftp.lysator.liu.se /pub/texts/uxu/avalyn and in HTML format at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html.