From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #332 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/332 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 332 Today's Topics: [B7L] Roddy Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA [B7L] Pattern of Infinity completed Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon RE: [B7L] Re:crime and punishment Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon RE: [B7L] You know you've seen too much B7 when... [B7L] RE: Odd thought re: Avon RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Re: [B7L] Re: Punishment for Desertion [B7L] Getting back into B7 Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7 Re: [B7L] Re: Punishment for Desertion [B7L] updated web-pages [B7L] enjoyable hokum alert Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Re: [B7L] enjoyable hokum alert Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7 Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon [B7L] Sarcophagus RE: [B7L] Re:crime and punishment Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7 Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:23:54 +0000 From: Steve Rogerson To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se CC: roddy.wraith@diamond.co.uk Subject: [B7L] Roddy Message-ID: <3841B984.F90D528A@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roddy wrote: "DO NOT SEND ANY MORE MAIL..OR I WILL CONTACT MY NETWORK SUPPLYER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I think maybe a better way to phrase this would be something along the lines of: "Can anyone tell me how to unsubscribe from the list, please". Remember, you must have actually subscribed to it in the first place, and therefore received unsubscribe instructions, so you can't be surprised that you are getting the digest. By the way, you spelt "supplier" wrong. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson "In my world, there are people in chains and you can ride them like ponies" The alternative Willow, Buffy the Vampire Slayer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:12:01 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Message-ID: <19991129081201.B5834@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Nov 28, 1999 at 07:43:53PM -0000, Kayleigh Z Banks wrote: > On that theme, his inability to deal decisively with the computer guy on the > prison ship, I've always attributed to the fact that all the prisoners were > treated with suppressants, so he was probably not as alert as he could have > been. (As I said, I'll forgive him just about anything!) Well, since the revolt was pre-planned, I would have expected Avon, like the other key members of it, to have refrained from eating and drinking so as to avoid the suppressants, so that doesn't wash. > I think we'd all secretly like to be like Avon, after all, wouldn't we just > love to be as rude as he is and get away with it? As for his pessimism, it > does have its compensations - as the saying goes 's**t happens' and when it > does at least the pessimists have the satisfaction of knowing they were > right! The optimists just get more disappointment. Well, this just shows that people have different reasons for liking Avon, doesn't it? I don't secretly want to be like Avon - I already *am* like Avon. In some respects. And I really don't want to be as rude as he is, whether I got away with it or not. I just want to hug him and make it all better. 8-) Kathryn Andersen A.S.K.S. (Avon's Sympathetic Kindred Spirits) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:11:11 EST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Message-ID: <19991129031111.81502.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Kathryn Andersen >I just want to hug him and make it all better. 8-) And, of course, I shouldn't be mentioning those who would be administering the hug for other reasons. Regards Joanne (looking for high ground, lest she be washed away by an ocean of drool) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 99 04:53:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: freedom-city@blakes-7.org Subject: [B7L] Pattern of Infinity completed Message-Id: <199911290512.FAA15102@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm forwarding a message from a B7 author, "J. Kel," whose "Pattern of Infinity" series first began to appear in zines ten years ago (=Input= #s 2-4 and =Dark between the Stars= #s 3-5; not to be confused with a different PGP series of the same title by Ana Dorfstad, which was in =Enarrare=). The author has been good enough to respond to the pleas of fans who wanted to read more of his work, and the full series is now about to go up on the B7 fan fiction archive. I strongly recommend this excellent gen novel! Forwarded message follows: >>>This is to inform you that the Pattern of Infinity stories are now complete. Episodes I through XI are on-line; episode XII and the epilogue will follow in a few days. In addition to completing the tale, I have also revised and corrected episodes I through VI. I have even added an Introduction, so for those readers who have wondered, they will now know how the whole thing came about. The final six stories (I'm including episode VIII in that tally) were written over a period of fourteen months. I wanted them to be special and to that end I gave them everything I had. It was by far the most involved and sustained writing project I have ever attempted. And while there are no merchandising tie-ins or special effects, I feel the final result is solid. That judgment, however, is reserved for the reader. The URL is: //www.oddworldz.com/b7fanfiction/archive.html The Series is E. How I get paid . . . I am currently taking four months off before tackling my next writing project, a serious attempt at a serious novel in a time and place far removed from B7. It would be extremely helpful to get as much feedback as I can regarding PoI to guide me: e.g. what I did right and what I need to work on. So, I am asking that you read/reread Pattern of Infinity from the beginning. A lot of changes were made as a result of how the series finally turned out. Core story logic was unaffected, however. Finally, spreading the word as far and wide as possible is crucial. If you like the PoI stories, let me know, tell your friends. If you hate the PoI stories, let me know, tell your friends. If you have mixed feelings . . . you get the idea. In short, I accept all forms of payment except indifference. :*) Thank you again for your interest and support. J. L. Quel<<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 01:24:25 EST From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon Message-ID: <0.7a3159c7.25737619@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/28/99 2:06:36 PM Mountain Standard Time, Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com writes: > Didn't Dayna "invent" one of those, or do you see Dayna's invention as > something more ? > I got the impression that Dayna's invention was more along the lines of a target tracking lock, that would automatically follow the target once it locked on, rather than being related to firing the thing -- but Avon certainly noticed the *feedback* of it dragging his hand along, yes. Nina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:28:42 +0100 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Re:crime and punishment Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F95B4FD@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Joanne wrote: > > >From: Jacqueline Thijsen > >To drag this posting kicking and screaming back on topic: I > >wonder how a > >certain snarly Liberator crewmember would react to being > >told to forgive his > >enemies. I think he would be quite willing to forgive his > >enemies. Right after he'd killed them. > > Or at least after he'd given them permanent brain damage by > thumping them > over the head with one of those overgrown family bible things. > > The Word of God as a really dangerous, physical thing, hmmm... Yes, I can see Avon getting religion for that reason. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:51:07 +0000 From: Steve Kilbane To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon Message-Id: <199911282151.VAA12327@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Insofar > > as you aim at > > any particular part of the target, you go for the torso, since this > > represents the largest target area (as well as containing all > > the vital organs). > > I've heard this, too, but I believe this is because of the recoil. Not true. It's down to two things: 1. On handguns, the barrel is really short, and you don't get that much accuracy to begin with. This doesn't make difference on a sf gun, usually. 2. Much more importantly, small errors in positioning your hand amplify dramatically over the distances involved, so it's really easy to miss. The recoil only kicks in, if you'll excuse the pun, after you take your first shot, and will throw your aim off even more, for the next shot. In terms of taking that first shot, you're more likely to be affected by changing hand position as you pull the trigger, press the button, or whatever. Try this: get your hands on a laser pointer, and point it at something over four feet away, and then turn it on. Hitting anything smaller than six inches across quickly gets hard. I can accept Avon learning how to shoot, after deciding it would be necessary. Peter O'Donnell's Modesty Blaise character occasionally mentions spending hours a day, every day, for years, just practising quick-draw shooting. Her opinion was that she'd only need it a few times in her life, but it was worth putting in the practice because she'd need it to survive. It's a shame, really: just think what Avon *could* have been doing with all those spare hours... steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:34:12 +0100 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] You know you've seen too much B7 when... Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F95B502@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Joanne wrote: > > >From: Jacqueline Thijsen > >Britney Spears sings 'Baby one more time' on MTV and you > >hear her singing 'Oh Bayban, baby'. > > Oh, poor Jacqueline! Here you go version of damp cloth to mop fevered brow> Thanks Joanne, I feel much better now. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:43:51 -0700 From: Penny Dreadful To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] RE: Odd thought re: Avon Message-Id: <4.1.19991129004005.0099e6e0@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:55 PM 28/11/99 +0100, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote: >I've heard this, too, but I believe this is because of the recoil. The gun >Avon was using worked with photons or rays or something equally SF-ish and >was therefore recoilless, and might well have some kind of feedback that >makes you 'feel' the texture of what you're aiming at. They already do this >for computer extensions such as the mouse, so it's not so strange to expect >something similar to be developed for weapons. That would explain Avon's >steep learning curve when it came to shooting: he'd have to get used to how >the feedback related to the real world, but once he had developed a feel for >that, hitting a target, no matter how small, would have become child's play. Jacqueline, I must say, despite my dread of having people invoke "Squirble's Law" (which I assume to be one of the rules that govern "Mornington Crescent"), that that is a *brilliant* idea. -- For A Dread Time, Call Penny: http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:41:41 +0100 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F95B508@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kathryn wrote: > Well, this just shows that people have different reasons for liking > Avon, doesn't it? I don't secretly want to be like Avon - I already > *am* like Avon. In some respects. And I really don't want to be as > rude as he is, whether I got away with it or not. I just want to > hug him and make it all better. 8-) I think you'd do so at your own risk. The only times Avon hugged and/or kissed a woman he didn't have a relationship with, he did so to get some kind of advantage, like getting the ring from the alien, or getting Servalan's guard down and then humiliating her (hey, I never said he was a *nice* guy, but I like him anyway). And even Anna didn't survive it in the end. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:07:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: Una McCormack Cc: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Punishment for Desertion Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Una McCormack wrote: > > Isn't there meant to be some sort of element of penalty: i.e. payment for a > crime committed? Maybe retribution carries the wrong overtones from the > sense I was trying to convey. Atonement. And you really are irretrievably lapsed if you're forgetting your confessional terminology, my child. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:10:53 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Borg?= To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Getting back into B7 Message-ID: <19991129101053.14655.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Or rather, being dragged back kicking and screaming. I got up on Sunday morning, pottered about in the study for ten minutes, reading email and such, and then decided to sit in front of the telly with a nice cup of tea. So, flicking through the channels, I come across UK-Gold showing B7, and within about 4 words being said was so completely hooked I watched it through to the end, and it wasn't exactly the best of episodes (at least, not from the point at which I watched it). I've seen all of the episodes more times than I care to consider, and have even spent a week watching the whole lot from beginning to end (I was off work and unable to walk very far). The episode was "Rescue"; I broke in at the point at which Avon is discussing Orac with Dorian. Soolin's charachter at this point hasn't settled down and is a little wooden, Dorian hams it up beautifully at the end, the monster costume in the cave is from Dr Who and therefore suitably dreadful, and every wall that Dayna or Tarrant touched wobbled like a piece of cardboard (hmm, wonder why?). Not to mention Danya's not-very-good-attempt at being scared. But it was glorious, and I will very likely be up in time to watch it from the beginning next week. Despite owning all the videos, there's something about watching it on telly (more than the better quality of digital TV over video tape). Peter. (hooked again) ===== -- Peter Borg peter_borg@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:47:46 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7 Message-ID: <00fd01bf3a57$fca1ef60$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter wrote: > So, flicking through the channels, I come across > UK-Gold showing B7, and within about 4 words being > said was so completely hooked I watched it through to > the end, and it wasn't exactly the best of episodes > (at least, not from the point at which I watched it). > > But it was glorious, and I will very likely be up in > time to watch it from the beginning next week. Despite > owning all the videos, there's something about > watching it on telly (more than the better quality of > digital TV over video tape). Peter, I know exactly what you mean. I hadn't watched any B7 for ages until the other night, and I had felt really 'off' it. Then I watched back 'Blake' and remembered just why it is I adore this programme. You're also completely right that there's a difference watching it on TV rather than a video. Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:44:38 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Punishment for Desertion Message-ID: <00fc01bf3a57$fc494810$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Iain wrote: > On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Una McCormack wrote: > > > Isn't there meant to be some sort of element of penalty: i.e. payment for a > > crime committed? Maybe retribution carries the wrong overtones from the > > sense I was trying to convey. > > Atonement. > > And you really are irretrievably lapsed if you're forgetting your > confessional terminology, my child. Too bloody right. Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:22:37 +1100 (EST) From: kat@welkin.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Blake's 7 list) Subject: [B7L] updated web-pages Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got a prod to go and put some more things up on my Blake's 7 web page when someone on another list pointed out (off-topic) a web page with Star Trek vs Blake's 7 stuff on it, I looked at it, wandered around the page a bit, and discovered that it was half full of postings *I* had made to aus.sf more than ten years ago. (Particularly the address list which I used to maintain.) After writing a stiff letter to the person, I also figured that if my words were good enough for someone else to rip off, then maybe I should go through some of my old postings and polish them up and put them on my page. So I have. Added to my page are - my original Blake's 7 verus Star Trek posting of 1988 - my Kerr-Avon-is-like-Oliver-Sampson posting - a summary of the what if Blake's 7 was in the Sime/Gen universe discussion - a little bit about SAAB and Blake's 7 - and some silly bits http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat/b7 Of course now I've run out of energy, it will probably be a while until I do another burst of updating. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:02:15 -0000 From: "Alison Page" To: "lysator" Subject: [B7L] enjoyable hokum alert Message-ID: <003601bf3a93$f978a4a0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 'Farscape' 6.20 BBC2 Review in the 'Guardian' 'Not the most original sci-fi series out there - the crew-who-don't-get-on' scenario is pure Blakes 7, while the effects owe much to Babylon 5. But enjoyable hokum' Might be worth checking out? Alison ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:36:02 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon Message-ID: <000601bf3a9b$65662c80$6d498cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacqueline wrote: >Neil wrote: >> I've always been led to understand that in real life, if you >> have to use a >> gun, you can't do anything more than shoot to hit. Insofar >> as you aim at >> any particular part of the target, you go for the torso, since this >> represents the largest target area (as well as containing all >> the vital organs). > >I've heard this, too, but I believe this is because of the recoil. The gun >Avon was using worked with photons or rays or something equally SF-ish and >was therefore recoilless, and might well have some kind of feedback that >makes you 'feel' the texture of what you're aiming at. They already do this >for computer extensions such as the mouse, so it's not so strange to expect >something similar to be developed for weapons. That would explain Avon's >steep learning curve when it came to shooting: he'd have to get used to how >the feedback related to the real world, but once he had developed a feel for >that, hitting a target, no matter how small, would have become child's play. Like I said, I've had no real combat experience. I have played a laser tag game (with recoiless guns) where I proved my total inability to distinguish friend from foe, which might have been a bad thing If I'd managed to hit anyone at all. At the end of the day, whether you use a bullet or a laser bolt, you've still got to point it in the right direction, so the smaller the target the more you stand to miss. In a real life-or-death situation armed with a Ray Gun (TM), you would surely still shoot to hit and assess the consequences afterwards. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:28:22 -0000 From: "Kayleigh Z Banks" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Message-ID: <004701bf3aa0$118d1420$02000003@fred> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Well, since the revolt was pre-planned, I would have >expected Avon, >like the other key members of it, to have refrained from >eating and >drinking so as to avoid the suppressants, so that doesn't >wash. > Well, if we're going to nit-pick: Blake only approached Avon a few minutes before expecting him to act, therefore Avon would not have had any opportunity to fast. Kayleigh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:33:14 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] enjoyable hokum alert Message-ID: <027a01bf3aa0$a90db750$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alison wrote: > 'Farscape' 6.20 BBC2 > > Review in the 'Guardian' > > 'Not the most original sci-fi series out there - the crew-who-don't-get-on' > scenario is pure Blakes 7, while the effects owe much to Babylon 5. But > enjoyable hokum' > > Might be worth checking out? This was rather more passable than could be reasonably expected. I've clearly spent too much time watching Star Trek. 'The crew-who-don't-get-on' scenario, hmm? How about 'the crew-of-escaped-prisoners-who-pinch-a-ship-*and*-who-don't-get-on' scenario? Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:37:20 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon Message-ID: <007c01bf3aa9$abd350e0$60e5abc3@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> From: Jacqueline Thijsen >> >> >The gun >> >Avon was using worked with photons or rays or something >> >equally SF-ish and was therefore recoilless, >> >> Well actually........ Think about it, conservation of >> momentum and all that. > >Thought about it..... I don't recall ever feeling a recoil when I switched >on a flashlight, which sends out quite a few photons. But hardly enough photons to do any damage to anything. Photons DO have momentum. If you were lucky enough to do A-Level physics, you might recall a little experiment where a little paddle wheel is suspended from near frictionless bearing in a vacuum. One side of each paddle is silvered, the other blacked. When you shine a bright light on it, it rotates. i.e. it gains momentum from the photons in the light beam. QED. Now, ignoring the effects of focussing for the moment (BIG assumption), if you are going to launch sufficient photons for their impact on a target / absorption by a target, then conservation of momentum states (or Newton's Law "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" if you like) that there will be a significant force on the gun. i.e. a recoil. Now FOCUSSING. Total energy/momentum can't be avoided. But lets say that my gun emits two photons simultaneously, one towards the target, and the other away, carrying away the excess momentum. I need more power (at least twice as much), but did you see the battery packs for the liberator guns. Net result - no recoil. Problem, holder of gun is damaged to the same extent as target. Solution, apply two lenses, one complex lens, with many elements, perhaps in an advanced civilisation constructed from a single Perspex rod which concentrates the beam on the target. The other lens is a big divergent lens, like a huge ring, perhaps with a secondary rim like lens around its circumference. This reduces the intensity of the beam, preventing damage to the user, and MOST IMPORTANTLY gives a nice satisfying glow when the gun is fired. QED. > >> >and might well have some kind of feedback that >> >makes you 'feel' the texture of what you're aiming at. >> >> Didn't Dayna "invent" one of those, or do you see Dayna's invention as >> something more ? > >No, I just didn't remember Dayna's invention. Sorry, it's been a while since >I had time to watch even my new video's, let alone the old ones. I still >have to watch video's 24 and 25. In which episode did Dayna invent this >weapon? Aftermath, Series 3, Episode 1. Andrew p.s. I happened to see Orac last night, and from the way Avon is staggering down a near scree slope after "that hand shot", he might well have been aiming at Servalan. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:49:24 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Message-ID: <19991129204924.59954.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Kathryn wrote: Nice idea and all that - I adore Dark and Dysfunctional, but I can't help thinking that it would be like trying to hug a seriously annoyed bolt of lightning... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:03:28 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Message-ID: <3842EA1F.8B7295CF@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kayleigh wrote: > I think we'd all secretly like to be like Avon, after all, wouldn't we just > love to be as rude as he is and get away with it? As for his pessimism, it > does have its compensations Bite your tongue. Avon's a realist, not a pessimist. Interestingly, I read somewhere recently that a study had been done that showed that pessimists actually have a more accurate view of reality than optimists do. (Although, I have to admit this makes me wonder if it doesn't just mean that the scientists who set up the tests were all pessimists.) Welcome, Kayleigh Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:45:28 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7 Message-ID: <3842E5E7.51F67AF0@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Borg wrote: > Despite > owning all the videos, there's something about > watching it on telly (more than the better quality of > digital TV over video tape). I've noticed this myself; plus I get the same sensation with listening to the radio, vs. an album. I've narrowed it down to two possible causes: 1) it feels less like a solitary pursuit, because you know subconciously that others are tuned in as well (?) 2) it helps in the suspension of disbelief, because it seems more 'live', as if you're observing from a distance something that's actually happening (?). Has anybody else got any thoughts on this? Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:32:47 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon Message-ID: <3842E2ED.922FDF54@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > In a real life-or-death situation > armed with a Ray Gun (TM), you would surely still shoot to hit and assess > the consequences afterwards. A prescription for disaster if I ever heard one. Even if the bullet/ray kills, the target doesn't drop immediately; that's a TV fiction. Had Avon actually hit Travis in the head, there's a good chance that Travis would have still shot Blake, either deliberately, or with a dying reflex. The hand shot disabled the weapon. (Plus, Servalan might have been in the way of a clear shot at Travis's head, IIRC.) You *have* to think about the consequences before you shoot; and preferably, before you pick up the gun. Not doing so will get you killed. Mind you, I'm not saying the hand shot would be a viable option for 99.9 % of anybody armed with today's weaponry, but with the feedback idea Jacqueline's described (which is a wonderful idea that explains for a change why the good guys almost always hit what they aim at, and the bad guys never do), it might be with a Liberator gun. Mistral (who is also not much good at laser tag) -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 1999 13:41:21 -0800 From: David Walsh To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Sarcophagus Message-ID: <19991129214121.20524.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline My partner and I, were watching B7 last night, the episode Sarcophagus. Now he really is a new fan, so we are watching all of B7 in order. What I want to know is, were Avon's and Tarrant's emotions real on the flight deck, or was it to do with the Blue eggy thing, Cally brought on board. Because I really don't remember Tarrant getting that shirty, and he shouldn't have anyway. I agree with Avon it was his ship, no Blake, and Tarrant was a newcomer anyway....... Servalan At Last Is On Lysator............. _________________________________________ Get free email at http://mail.handbag.com and visit www.handbag.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:49:37 EST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Re:crime and punishment Message-ID: <19991129214937.4754.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Jacqueline Thijsen >Joanne wrote: > > Or at least after he'd given them permanent brain damage by > > thumping them > > over the head with one of those overgrown family bible things. > > The Word of God as a really dangerous, physical thing, hmmm... >Yes, I can see Avon getting religion for that reason. I must confess, that if he was anything like me on the matter of the more evangelical religious groups, Avon wouldn't need to get religion at all. A rolled-up copy of The Watchtower might drive off all but the most determined, I suspect. Regards Joanne (with the image of Avon armed with nothing but beforementioned publication, driving away the people who dared to ring the doorbell on Xenon, while Vila laughs his head off...) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:09:53 EST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus Message-ID: <19991129220953.62445.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: David Walsh >Servalan At Last Is On Lysator............. Oh my God! Welcome, your Fabulousness, and what a divine name for an e-mail provider Oh, and beware of the Godmother and her Tarrant Nostran minions, who might want to explain a few things to you about Tarrant Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:11:58 EST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Message-ID: <19991129221158.15646.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Sally Manton" > > >Nice idea and all that - I adore Dark and Dysfunctional, but >I can't help thinking that it would be like trying to hug a >seriously annoyed bolt of lightning... Sally, I love this image. Thank you. Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:25:02 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: , "B7 List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7 Message-ID: <031b01bf3ab9$07a3cf80$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mistral wrote: > Peter Borg wrote: > > > Despite > > owning all the videos, there's something about > > watching it on telly (more than the better quality of > > digital TV over video tape). > > I've noticed this myself; plus I get the same sensation with > listening to the radio, vs. an album. I've narrowed it down > to two possible causes: 1) it feels less like a solitary pursuit, > because you know subconciously that others are tuned in > as well (?) Definitely that one. That's what I've always thought. Condemned me to many nights of repeats and VH1 rather than interesting things I've taped. Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:27:15 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus Message-ID: <031c01bf3ab9$07fac920$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome, Supremity! From: David Walsh > My partner and I, were watching B7 last night, the episode Sarcophagus. > Now he really is a new fan, so we are watching all of B7 in order. > What I want to know is, were Avon's and Tarrant's emotions real on the flight deck, or was it to do with the Blue eggy thing, Cally brought on board. I always thought that the blue eggy thing heightened emotions that were at least partially there. Cool domain name, Servie! Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:24:02 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: "B7 List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Message-ID: <031a01bf3ab9$07311080$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mistral wrote: > Interestingly, I read somewhere recently that a study had been > done that showed that pessimists actually have a more accurate > view of reality than optimists do. (Although, I have to admit this > makes me wonder if it doesn't just mean that the scientists who > set up the tests were all pessimists.) Yeah, I came across that one when I was studying clinical psychology. It was 'proven' in a study that depressives had a better grasp of reality than happy people. Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:49:15 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus Message-ID: In message <19991129214121.20524.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net>, David Walsh writes >Servalan At Last Is On Lysator............. And very welcome too:-) Love the domain name... -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #332 **************************************