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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 99 : Issue 278

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] after B7?
	 RE: [B7L] Re Dawn of the Gods
	 Re: [B7L] Re Dawn of the Gods
	 Re: [B7L] Re Dawn of the Gods
	 [B7L] Seeking Pat Nussman
	 Re: [B7L] Seeking Pat Nussman
	 Re: [B7L] Re Dawn of the Gods
	 Re: [B7L] Re Dawn of the Gods
	 [B7L] Crusade
	 [B7L] Re: after B7
	 Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 08:34:22 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
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Subject: Re: [B7L] after B7?
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I'm in complete agreement with Judith about B5: CRUSADE. As the season went 
on, it began to resemble B7 more and more in character, atmosphere and spirit 
until it had the same "grab" that B7 originally had for me. Too bad it ended 
when it did! I anticipated more fun, and the characters were already becoming 
dear to me. I was also tickled by the budding romance between Gary Cole's 
Captain Gideon and Tracy Scoggins as Captain Lochley. Between the two 
personalities, there was utterly no sexual stereotyping of who would be 
dominant and who would be passive in the relationship. JMS writes strong 
female characters better than any other writer on TV today, in that respect.

It's almost too heartbreaking to discuss the show! Annie and I are coming 
over to the UK again in November for a long-anticpated WOLF 359 con to see 
Adrian Paul and Alexandra Vandernoot (Duncan MacLeod and Tess Noel from 
HIGHLANDER) and we had no sooner purchased our non-refundable airline tickets 
when we got a convention flyer announcement from the VULKON people that they 
were having one right here in Orlando...with some of our favorite actors from 
B5 and Crusade. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!! (Yes, Judith, it included both the 
Technomage and Max Erlichson, both 'aspects' of Avon on Crusade).

*Sigh*

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:09:11 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Re Dawn of the Gods
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Sally wrote:

> Ellyne writes:
> <Hmm, maybe someone (moi?) ought to write a defense of Dawn of
> the Gods. Let me just make sure I have the gripes right...<snip>
> Did I miss anything?>
> 
> Only that apart from the game at the beginning (which is fairly 
> entertaining) and the three (only three!) lines that I do like:
> 
> TARRANT: One day, Avon, I may have to kill you.
> AVON: [smiles - a lovely, lethal smile it is too] It has been
> tried. Vila, wake up.
> VILA: I'm in hell - and it's full of Avons.  What's the good news?
> 
> - It's impeccably, unerringly, consistently *dull*.

Actually, I also like the bit where Avon and Tarrant are put to work doing
calculations and Tarrant sticks up his finger.

Jacqueline

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:00:55 -0500
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re Dawn of the Gods
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Jacqueline said:

>Actually, I also like the bit where Avon and Tarrant are put to work doing
>calculations and Tarrant sticks up his finger.

A pity it was the wrong finger...

Lorna B.
"Cookies and porn?  You're the best mom ever!"

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:53:01 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re Dawn of the Gods
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Sally Said....


>Ellyne writes:
><Hmm, maybe someone (moi?) ought to write a defense of Dawn of
>the Gods. Let me just make sure I have the gripes right...<snip>
>Did I miss anything?>
>
>Only that apart from the game at the beginning (which is fairly
>entertaining) and the three (only three!) lines that I do like:
>

That scene is one of the best.


For me I quite liked the episode, except near the beginning. Avon
uncharacteristically can't remember his basic primary educational brainwash
of Newton's first law (which may or may not apply to ships travelling faster
than the speed of light anyway, but thats another debate). This gives
Tarrant, the most astute space pilot in the Galaxy, a minor headache trying
to remember the rest of it.

These are people who live by Newton's Laws at least every time they park up
in Orbit. I just find it sooooooo irritating.

On second thoughts, I have two problems with the episode. I find it hard to
relate The Tharn with The Lost. Could somebody help me with that one ?

Andrew

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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:40:05 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Seeking Pat Nussman
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There is a web-page out there which has some of Pat Nussman's works on
it, that I found through a link off a link off the Lysator Blake's 7
page.  That's fine, the page is still there.  But when I try sending
an email comment to the author, it comes back as address unknown.  So
does anyone know what the email address is of Pat Nussman?  The only
thing I know is that it *isn't* nussman@mindspring.com.

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:03:11 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:

>So does anyone know what the email address is of Pat Nussman?  The only 
>thing I know is that it *isn't* nussman@mindspring.com.

Try <nussman@SHORE.NET>. She's posted recently from that one to a list I'm on.

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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 01:41:13 EDT
From: AdamWho@aol.com
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In a message dated 99-09-25 07:49:18 EDT, smanton@hotmail.com writes:

<< Only that apart from the game at the beginning (which is fairly 
 entertaining) and the three (only three!) lines that I do like:
 
 TARRANT: One day, Avon, I may have to kill you.
 AVON: [smiles - a lovely, lethal smile it is too] It has been
 tried. Vila, wake up.
 VILA: I'm in hell - and it's full of Avons.  What's the good news?
 
 - It's impeccably, unerringly, consistently *dull*. >>

Bits I enjoyed:
the Spaceopoly game
Zen and Orac communicating, and protecting the Liberator when the crew 
couldn't
Tarrant fooling their captors into thinking Orac was a bald dwarf
Cally charming the Tharnn, with that gun behind her back, and being the one 
to disable the electrical/weapons block

The rest is junk. 

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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:20:57 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re Dawn of the Gods
Message-ID: <19990926.002059.10014.0.Rilliara@juno.com>

First, let me say I made the Dawn of the Gods comment originally as a
joke.  Then I realized something awful.

I actually _do_ like this episode.

Second (assuming anyone's still reading the statements of a person who
made the above confession), I realized why I liked it.

Meglomaniac out to conquor the universe with superweapon? Yawn. Like that
hasn't been done before.

Chariots of the Gods rides again? Battlestar Galactica did it better
(perhaps the only time I will make that statement about BG in relation to
B7, although I like both).

But, an alien telepath exiled to the worst punishment his people can
dream up, isolation from all other telepaths (a la "May you die alone and
silent"), unable to truly use a sense Cally valued over sight or touch
(or life expectancy)?  Have him finally meet another telepath after
centuries of waiting?  Have her, ironically, belong to the very people he
thought shouldn't be given telepathy? A people who regard him as evil
incarnate?  I was hooked.

I think it's like a certain Star Trek: The Next Generation episode called
Sub Rosa, which people either despise or love.  Although I have to admit
to despising it, most of the ones who loved it were female.  It had a
bizarre, evil alien doing anything he could to seduce Dr. Crusher as a
way to survive (maybe this would have worked for me if I hadn't felt he
didn't care beans about her, just his own survival, but that's another
story).  Maybe it's the same thing, only it worked for me in this
episode.  My initial impression of the Tharn was of a guy desperate to
end his exile, desperate to be able to talk again to one of his own kind.
 His numerous personal shortcomings never quite erased that initial
impression.

Of course, I also flipped channels through the slow parts.

But onto Andrew's question.

On Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:53:01 +0100 "Andrew Ellis"
<Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> writes:

>On second thoughts, I have two problems with the episode. I find it 
>hard to
>relate The Tharn with The Lost. Could somebody help me with that one ?
>
LIke I said, this is a gut reaction over common sense, but I'd say
Cally's early myths are a bit confused on some points (no wonder.  I've
seen some actual events get twisted into some pretty weird stories [urban
legends] within hours of their occurance [guy in the neighborhood broke
two fingers, stories the next day involved a fatal car accident with a
vanishing hitchhiker or else an attacker with a hook]).

Assume telepathy was latent among Cally's people early on, present but
inactive (recessive genes, environmental factors, etc).  Either the lost
were post-Tharn & friends era or Cally's legends (or the version she told
Blake) didn't clearly state how they were the Auron assitants of the
Tharn or one of his friends (probably the Tharn).  If the latter, they
were exiled partly to disassociate them from the Tharn and to keep them
from interfering with the other Aurons.

Ellynne

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:26:39 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Crusade
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I've just watched the episode of Crusade that's taking the mickey out of the
X-files.  I haven't laughed so much in ages.  

B7 style dialogue (including one direct quote) and every X-files cliche you can
imagine with a gentle dig at Star Trek as well (and did I spot a scene from the
Prisoner in there?)

Watch it!!  
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:16:11 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: after B7
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Judith compared characters in Crusade and B7:
>A technomage and an archeologist - they seem 
>to have shared out aspects of Avon's personality 
>between them.  One loves being cryptic and the other
> loves money.  They both get some good dialogue, 
>especially the technomage (played by a British actor).  
>Both are extremely intelligent.

Actually, I thought Galen (the technomage) was Orac - principally on the
grounds that he was the most annoying colleague imaginable.  I'm not sure
who that leaves for the box.

Though as someone said when we first heard about the series, the B7
characteristics are split between characters.  eg Dureena has Vila's skills
as a thief, but Cally's background - the alien whose people have been
murdered by the crew's enemies.  And her character is much closer to early
Cally.  Some of the things she gets up to Vila would never agree to do for
any amount of coaxing - only sheer terror would motivate him.

Despite the presence of six main characters, there's much less of an
ensemble feel to the show.  Each episode tends to focus on two or three of
the leads - fair enough, B7 did that too.  But at least in B7 the others
were still around, even if just on the dreaded teleport duty.  In Crusade,
they just have the episode off.  This is probably realistic - given that
the crew is supposed to run into (?) hundreds (?), it would be a bit
improbable if we saw the same handful interacting every week.  But it means
I never got a real sense of them as a group, and it's a pity that the final
episode, which was a good one, featured only three leads. 

Just when Max (the archaeologist) was getting more interesting too.  I
loved his explanation to his assistants that it would be daft to follow
company protocol forbidding them all to go down to the planet together,
because if they were all lost the company would have a much stronger motive
to launch a rescue.

Harriet

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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:34:18 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Helen Avona wrote:
>The disorienting sonic
>impulses being used on Blake in Horizon at least intriguing in terms of
>futuristic means of reaching the mind.

Oh.  I thought it was nicked from what they did to Michael Caine in 'The
Ipcress File'.  (Not a lot of people know that...)

Neil

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