From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #255 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/255 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 255 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Bernard Archard [B7L] Re: Bernard Archard Re: [B7L] RB, call home... Re: [B7L] RB, call home... Re: [B7L] Re: Bernard Archard Re: [B7L] RB, call home... Re: [B7L] RB, call home... [B7L] Trial summary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:04:48 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Bernard Archard Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed 25 Aug, AdamWho@aol.com wrote: > During my most recent viewing of Pyramids of Mars (hadn't seen it in years), > I thought I spotted a B7 performer, on Doctor Who as Marcus Scarman. Does > anyone have any idea whether Bernard Archard ever had a role on Blake's 7? One issue of Horizon had a long list of actors who had been in both B7 and Dr Who and he's not listed there. But the list isn't necessarily infallable - if an actor isn't listed in the programs credits he can be overlooked. (That's how a subsequent B7/Avengers list missed Gareth Thomas's appearance in the Avengers) Compiling that kind of data is a massive task. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:56:32 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Bernard Archard Message-ID: <37C42E4E.B1110B81@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam asked: "During my most recent viewing of Pyramids of Mars (hadn't seen it in years), I thought I spotted a B7 performer, on Doctor Who as Marcus Scarman. Does anyone have any idea whether Bernard Archard ever had a role on Blake's 7?" In Horizon Newsletter 34 (June 1996) they list all the actors who had appeared in both Dr Who and B7 and Bernard Archer isn't mentioned. However, Laurence Scarman in Pyramids of Mars was played by Michael Sheard, who was Klegg in B7's Powerplay. I have a vague recollection of someone some time ago asking me for a copy of the Horizon list, but I can't remember who. If you are there and still want it, speak up now I've dug it out. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Be inconsistent, but not all the time ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:28:34 -0700 From: Catharine Roussel To: Lysator B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] RB, call home... Message-ID: <37C45FF7.16EA@telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It looks like I'd have to get up pretty early to beat you to the computer, Carol. In any case, I agree with your comments in this post and have only a few things to add. Mac4781@aol.com wrote: > > Sally wrote: > > > The destruction of Star One *worked* in itself. It succeeded in what > > it was meant to do - weaken the Federation to the point where a > > concerted push might have succeeded. Obviously the people that were > > in charge of the rebel groups on Earth were not able to provide the > > leadership for that push. > > That's passing the buck. It was Blake's plan. It was his responsibility to > see that adequate forces with adequate leadership were prepared to strike in > the wake of Star One's destruction. If such forces and leadership weren't > available, then he should have postponed the strike against Star One. Very true. The flaw in Blake's plan was that it was really only half a plan. Nobody can be half-way to Andromeda and lead a revolution on Earth at the same time. Shrinker talks about the Rebels on Earth losing their chance to seize power because they were too busy "kicking the corpses". This is an indication that there wasn't a strong enough rebel leadership on Earth to take full advantage of the the chaos created after Star One was destroyed. At the very least, Blake needed a good, strong general with an army of rebel supporters on Earth for his plan to succeed. When we meet Blake again, he is attempting to develop "the beginings of an army" for his next strike on the Federation. Perhaps this is another possible reason that he does not return to the Liberator after the war. He has come to realize that without the infrastructure to support and maintain a rebellion in the long term, his point-by-point attacks with the Liberator truly are just "senseless killing and destruction". > And given that the Federation was able to recover from both the destruction > of Star One and the losses incurred during the Andromedan War, then it is > very unlikely (I'd place the odds at impossible) that Blake's original plan > would have succeeded. Taking out the Andromedan complication that prevented > Blake from getting to Earth, Blake would have been facing the might of the > Federation. A force that could defeat the Andromedan invaders wasn't going > to be defeated by Blake and Liberator. Exactly. -- Catharine Roussel croussel@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:44:20 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RB, call home... Message-ID: <19990803.050922.10014.0.Rilliara@juno.com> On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 06:04:23 EDT Mac4781@aol.com writes: >And therein we see a major flaw in Blake's plan. If he needed to be >on Earth >for the rebellion to succeed then he had no business at Star One. >Even >without the Andromedan invasion, there was no guarantee that Blake was >going >to survive the Star One part of the operation. He even goes down to >the >planet. Since when has that stopped our heroes? Suicidal field work is the whole purpose of being in command on TV. >Was it worth the effort? How many people died for what gain? How >many who >survived were worse off? Speaking of questions the series never adequately answered, this is a biggie. How many _did_ die from this and not as a result of the war (or as a reasonable side effect of it)? We don't know. How many _were_ worse off? We don't know? How quickly did the Federation rebuild and reconquer? We don't know. Notice a trend here? >That's passing the buck. It was Blake's plan. It was his >responsibility to >see that adequate forces with adequate leadership were prepared to >strike in >the wake of Star One's destruction. If such forces and leadership >weren't >available, then he should have postponed the strike against Star One. > I've said it before, I'll say it again. The changes caused by the Andromedan invasion could have been enough to dry up a lot of popular support for the Federation. >We never even saw that he had involved anyone else in his plan. Weird, wasn't it, the way allies came and went. Almost like . . . extras in a weekly science fiction series with alternating writers. One thing, however, it's always been assumed Blake never made it to Earth in time to get involved. What if he did? What if the reason he didn't rejoin the others was because he realized he had to make it to Earth as quickly as possible--and quickly as possible didn't mean waiting for the Liberator? What if Blake learned the hard way he wasn't up to leading the rabble to victory against the Federation? That Star One's destruction, even when he could implement his plans, led to miserable defeat (and the loss of his eye)? Now there's a reason for him to think twice about rejoining the others and getting right back into the fight. > A force that could defeat the Andromedan invaders wasn't >going >to be defeated by Blake and Liberator. Just to be devil's advocate (and ignore my earlier idea), Blake had a big advantage over the Andromedans. When David fights Goliath, the point isn't to know how big and heavily armored Goliath is (stuff the Andromedans knew about the Federation). The point is to know which bare spot, if hit with one rock, will make the whole colossus crumble (which Blake knew how to do with a sufficiently weakened and chaotic Federation). Inconsistant but interested, Ellynne ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:33:46 EDT From: AdamWho@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Bernard Archard Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-08-25 13:55:09 EDT, steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk writes: << In Horizon Newsletter 34 (June 1996) they list all the actors who had appeared in both Dr Who and B7 and Bernard Archer isn't mentioned. However, Laurence Scarman in Pyramids of Mars was played by Michael Sheard, who was Klegg in B7's Powerplay. >> I knew at least one of the actors in Pyramids of Mars also appeared on B7, so I could have been thinking of Sheard, and not Archer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:01:53 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RB, call home... Message-ID: <50316bb2.24f66a91@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne wrote: > I've said it before, I'll say it again. The changes caused by the > Andromedan invasion could have been enough to dry up a lot of popular > support for the Federation. Did I misread your earlier post? I thought you said it might have dried up popular support for the Rebellion. > One thing, however, it's always been assumed Blake never made it to Earth > in time to get involved. What if he did? What if the reason he didn't > rejoin the others was because he realized he had to make it to Earth as > quickly as possible--and quickly as possible didn't mean waiting for the > Liberator? That's certainly a possibility. > What if Blake learned the hard way he wasn't up to leading the rabble to > victory against the Federation? That Star One's destruction, even when > he could implement his plans, led to miserable defeat (and the loss of > his eye)? > > Now there's a reason for him to think twice about rejoining the others > and getting right back into the fight. Coincidentally, I came up with something similar yesterday while speculating on Freedom City (Blake discussions have been taking place simultaneously on both lists). I didn't have him return to Earth, just had him realizing that his plan to destroy Star One to defeat the Federation was doomed to failure from the get go. And that prompted him to attempt to go into retirement. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:19:30 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RB, call home... Message-ID: <19990803.062202.10014.0.Rilliara@juno.com> On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:01:53 EDT Mac4781@aol.com writes: >Ellynne wrote: > >> I've said it before, I'll say it again. The changes caused by the >> Andromedan invasion could have been enough to dry up a lot of >popular >> support for the Federation. > >Did I misread your earlier post? I thought you said it might have >dried up >popular support for the Rebellion. > Oops! Rebellion, not Federation! Ellynne (who is promising never to go into P.R. work) "Do you always understand what you say?" "If I listen attentively." ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:52:38 EST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Trial summary Message-ID: <19990826225238.16627.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Trial tune: She came in through the bathroom window, Joe Cocker version He walked into the cell at HQ Guarded by his former troops As Bercol and Rontane they wonder How Servalan will put him through some hoops Meanwhile Blake is on a planet He'd left a message for the crew He's oh so sorry Gan is gone now And no longer sure what he can do Chorus: The judge is Old Star Killer The crew they don't agree Par is off'ring 'round the soma Blake is talking to a flea The Liberator goes a-raiding While Travis talks with all his might Another lesson in survival They'll only run if they can't fight And Travis lives because he's useful And Blake goes on to fight for all They'll meet again another day now Until it's time for Star One to fall The judge is Old Star Killer The crew they don't agree Par is off'ring 'round the soma Blake is talking to a flea Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #255 **************************************