From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #24 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/24 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 24 Today's Topics: Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #322 ADMIN: Fair warning Re: [B7L] Ashton Press Website Updates Re: [B7L] Re: Tanith Lee and her Fascism? Re: [B7L] Vila and Deltas Re: [B7L] Vila and Deltas Re: [B7L] Tanith Lee and her Fascism? Re: [B7L] Re: Tanith Lee and her Fascism? [B7L] Vila's favorite singer Re: [B7L] ADMIN: Fair warning Re: [B7L] Vila and Deltas [B7L] Cor blimey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:21:58 GMT From: "Dita Stanistraken" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #322 Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:27:28 +0100 (MET) > From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se > Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #322 > To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se > Reply-to: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > ------------------------------ > > Content-Type: text/plain > > blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 322 > > Today's Topics: > Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Re: [B7L] Tarrant (that'll get Carol's attention ) > Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > Re: [B7L] OT: ah been cut off from worl > Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > [B7L] fireworks > RE: [B7L] Post-War Politics > Re: [B7L] fireworks > Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:17:11 EST > From: Mac4781@aol.com > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Message-ID: > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Paul wrote: > > > I watched Harvest Of Kairos last Sunday and in my opinion it is a good > > episode. > > I agree. It's great fun. I especially like the background information > provided about Tarrant. And the crew dynamics can be quite interesting when > you start analyzing them. Avon is clearly trying to keep as distant from his > shipmates as possible. He's still stuck in limbo land, not wanting to be part > of the group while at the same time realizing that fate has decreed they are > better off as unit than as individuals. > > Has anyone figured out what Avon originally said when he calls Tarrant an > > "astute space commander." His lip movements do not tally with the word > > "astute". > > I don't know what he said, but "astute" is the word used in the copy of the > rehearsal script I have. Both Tarrant's lines just before that and Avon's > reply have been cut from what is in the rehearsal script. So Paul might not > have had a lot of time to put the new exchange to memory. > > > Also, I thought it was very unlike Avon not to realise that > > Kairos was the logical place for them to be transported to, being a planet > > with a breatheable atomosphere (especially as the Liberator was orbiting it > > at the time). > > Well, it's not as if Avon is perfect. He made his share of mistakes. With his > mind focused on their immediate survival, it doesn't surprise me that he > overlooked the fact that Kairos was the nearest planet. > > Carol Mc > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:17:10 EST > From: Mac4781@aol.com > To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant (that'll get Carol's attention ) > Message-ID: <79ffd2ca.368adea6@aol.com> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Yep, ring *that* bell and I'm here. :) > > Jo Ann wrote: > > > Oi! Godmother! remember that you're still waving your wand and > > sprinkling fairy dust so far as transforming me is concerned. > > It must be those prevailing winds. It's hard to catch the right currents to > reach Australia. But I'll keep trying. > > > Liking > > Avon is nature (for me); liking Tarrant is going to have to be nurture, > > Do I even want to know how Snout and Snarl can be nature while adorable, sweet > Tarrant has to be nurture? Probably not. It could destroy my faith in the > human race. > > > and I'm sure you'll be quite happy to do that. > threatened by experts..."> > > Yes, for sure. Where shall I start? Have you noticed that it is Tarrant who > comes to Avon's rescue when the Dark One is distracted? See "Rumours" and > "Terminal." And Avon is the one who points out that Tarrant is promising > material and also notes that he's young, brave, and handsome. So just follow > your Nature Fellow's lead. Or consider that Servalan also had the good taste > to find Tarrant tempting, not to mention decorative and resourceful. > > > docu-drama "Aftershocks" last night, and some of the archival footage > > put me right back in 1989. Carol has provided the perfect distraction > > from unhappy memories.) > > Sorry about the bad deja vu. You can call on me for distractions, perfect or > otherwise, anytime. > > > Not that it worked. I haven't watched "Blake" for a while, but I seem to > > recall that he'd drunk Xenon base dry by that time. > > Sadly true, the food cure failed. > > > I don't > > think one needs to be in that much of a hurry to defend inconsistencies > > in "The Sevenfold Crown". > > A person has to do something to keep busy in between drool production. Now be > good and catch some of that dust. > > Carol Mc > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:54:47 -0000 > From: "Neil Faulkner" > To: "lysator" > Subject: Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > Message-ID: <000201be346d$c11f82e0$aa1fac3e@default> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > From TigerM > > >This raises a question. In the fourth season, was it the Federation that > was > >after the Scorpio crew or was it primarily Servalan/Sleer? She seemed to > be > >behind the attempts to capture or kill them, and in episodes such as > >"Assassin," I got the impression that it was a personal vendetta, perhaps > >because they could identify her as Servalan. She either wanted them dead > or > >under her control where they could don her no harm. > > > I think it was primarily Sleer who had it in for the crew. The way I see > it, the 4th Season is confined to a seedy galactic backwater where Sleer > *was* the Federation. It's all on far less grand a scale than the previous > three seasons. > > Sleer ran across the crew in eight of the thirteen episodes. In four of > those her appearance was effectively coincidental: Traitor, Animals, Games, > Sand - she was doing her job as a good little Commissioner and this just > happened to bring her into contact with the crew. > > In Gold and Orbit she was acting off her own back, and again ran into Avon > and co through chance rather than design. > > Only in Assassin and Warlord was she actively seeking out the crew with an > eye to their elimination. > > As for them revealing her secret identity - they could have done that no > problem any time after Traitor, but apparently didn't since Servalan's alter > ego remained very much intact. > > Alternatively, they may have tried and failed to convince. Their efforts > may have been dismissed as crankmail ("Oi,guess what? We got some loony > saying he's Kerr Avon and he knows where Servalan is. I dunno, there ain't > half some stupid bastards..."). > > More likely, in my view, is that someone high up in the New Federation > hierarchy knew exactly who Sleer was, and was more than happy to leave her > there. She was doing a grand job of reacquiring lost territory, and she > could carry the can if any storm arose over her use of pylene-50. Since > Servalan's no dummy, she would be only too aware of it if she were being > used like this, but at the same time she could make contingency plans of her > own. Besides, as Commissioner Sleer she had greater freedom of action, > perhaps even more power in real terms, than she had ever had as President. > > Neil > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:19:42 -0600 > From: "Lorna B." > To: > Subject: Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Message-Id: <199812310413.WAA05029@pemberton.magnolia.net> > > Carol Mc said: > > >Well, it's not as if Avon is perfect. He made his share of mistakes. With > his > >mind focused on their immediate survival, it doesn't surprise me that he > >overlooked the fact that Kairos was the nearest planet. > > And one must admit that the look on his face when this blunder is pointed > out to him is absolutely *priceless*! Kind of the equivalent to finding > you've put your eyeglasses in the fridge. > > Lorna B. > "Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:22:37 EST > From: AChevron@aol.com > To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > Message-ID: > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 12/30/98 10:35:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, > N.Faulkner@tesco.net writes: > > << As for them revealing her secret identity - they could have done that no > problem any time after Traitor, but apparently didn't since Servalan's alter > ego remained very much intact. >> > > My own guess is that the crew elected to keep Servelan's secret so that > they wouldn't lose track of her. If her Sleer identity was blown, Servie would > have gone to ground, and no doubt pop back up and the most inconvienant times. > At least as long as she was Sleer, they could in some degree track her > movements. > As to higher placed officials knowing her identity, it seems probable. No > doubt at least a few of her supporters survived the purges, and even some of > her enemies might see some benefit in letting her run loose for a while. The > Sleer disguise doesn't seem to be designed to hide her for long; she makes no > effort to disguise herself when she does appear. Presumably once she's scored > some victories as Sleer, she planned to step out back into the limelight as > Servalan. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:57:50 +1100 > From: Kathryn Andersen > To: "Blake's 7 list" > Subject: Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Message-ID: <19981231165750.39157@welkin.apana.org.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue, Dec 29, 1998 at 07:31:17PM -0800, Joanne MacQueen wrote: > [re: Harvest of Kairos] > > Thank you, Neil. Would it be better if I avoided that > > episode if it ever came my way? Or does it have to be seen to be > > believed? > > > > Mind you, the same writer was responsible for "Power", wasn't he, and I > > haven't seen that either. Which episode is worse? (You are at liberty to > > point to other episodes as being truly bad, if you wish.) > > "Power" was definitely worse. There he set up a whole society of > macho mysoginists, while in "Harvest of Kairos" there was only one of > them, and he was merely sexist and not a mysoginist. Jarvik can > easily be dismissed as an aberration. And the point about Federation > society relying too much on computers was a good one, IMHO. I liked > the line about computer predictions and reading tea leaves not being > that different. (-8 Also, IMHO, the idea of the sopron wasn't that > bad, either. > > But, yes, anything with Ben Steed as the author is going to be below > par. > > -- > _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen > / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat > \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" > v | > ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere > Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:31:43 PST > From: "Penny Dreadful" > To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > Message-ID: <19981231083144.9750.qmail@hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > >Sleer disguise doesn't seem to be designed to hide her for long; she > makes no > >effort to disguise herself when she does appear. > > Whaddya mean? Then, she always wore white. Now, she always wears black. > What more could you ask for in terms of disguise? > > And yes, I *am* being serious. Well, I admit, it started out as a > sarcastic response, but on reflection it seems not entirely unfeasible. > We are, after all, talking about a future whose technological > sophistication is extremely erratic: in which, for instance, > sophisticated mind-manipulation is de rigeur, yet visual information > transfer is frequently limited to grainy monochrome. > And if I recall correctly someone in Freedom City drew a blank on the > name Servalan. And they, although not part of the Federation, probably > got a lot more news of the galaxy, with all the traffic coming and going > and a modicum of, well, *freedom*, than most Federation planets. > > So maybe the vast majority of those who *had* heard of Servalan at the > peak of her infamy would never have seen her, or even pictures of her > (why so dramatically fry that telltale portrait if it's widely available > on the interplanetary internet?). They would visualize her *only* as A > Tough Broad Who Always Wears Highly Impractical White. > > And as I said some time ago with regards to Blake's failure to note > Travis' abrupt and drastic change in appearance, maybe it's wise in this > time to pay more attention to the personality than to the physique that > harbours it, if you really want to identify someone. So Servalan's > rather eccentric fashion aesthetic might well have been a deliberate > affectation. Sleer's too, for that matter. Heck, the majority of the men > she encountered probably never even looked at her face. Such an OTT look > had two advantages: first, it could be shucked like Gene Simmons' makeup > at a moment's botice; and second, it would *drown out* any subtler, more > *innate* personal quirks. > > -- Penny "That's Why I Always Wear The Batman Mask" Dreadful > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: 31 Dec 1998 11:08:47 +0100 > From: Calle Dybedahl > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Blake's 7 list) > Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: ah been cut off from worl > Message-ID: > > kat@welkin.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen) writes: > > > what is a Tarriel Cell really? > > Whatever it is, I guess it has something to do with faster-than-light > communication. Orac is based on the principles of Tarriel Cells in > some way, and communicating instantaneously with other machines is > just about all he does. Not to mention that having microscopic-scale > FTL devices could make a computer *much* faster than the ones we have > now (if you really pay attention to General Relativity, you could get > machines where you got the result before you asked the question!). > > -- > Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se > Hello? Brain? What do we want for breakfast? > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:35:23 EST > From: AChevron@aol.com > To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > Message-ID: <85f778aa.368bd1fb@aol.com> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 12/31/98 3:33:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, > pdreadful@hotmail.com writes: > > << Whaddya mean? Then, she always wore white. Now, she always wears black. > What more could you ask for in terms of disguise? >> > > It's an interesting theory, and just plausable enough to have me scratching > my head. The key would be as to how low a profile Servalan kept once she > became president. As Supreme Commander, she met with the more powerful members > of the civilian government, but that number could be low enough to be safely > purged once she gained power. As President, though, I suspect she was much > more widely exposed to public view than before. The intimation of Supreme > Empress also seems to indicate more public exposure. In those cases, a simple > change of clothing wouldn't be enough to keep her secret. > But. If Servalan maintained an air of mystery, and didn't allow her image to > be widely disseminated, then I could see that the Sleer disguise would work. > As Sleer, she seems to have been a civilian employee of the Federation, and > moved in different circles than before. And her taste in clothing wouldn't > seem so strange to the people she worked for. > One wonders what her plans were, though, if the Sleer disguise were > penetrated before she was ready to discard it. Any ideas? D. Rose > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:43:30 +-100 > From: Jacqueline Thijsen > To: "'Blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" > Subject: [B7L] fireworks > Message-ID: <01BE351F.C46D2C60@cmg71700449> > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE351F.C474CD80" > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE351F.C474CD80 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi all, > > It is now half an hour into the new year here, and I have just been = > watching the fireworks. Can it be called obsessive if even that makes me = > think of our favourite characters? In this case, I was wondering how = > they would react to fireworks. > > Avon: would probably think it a complete waste of money, time and = > effort. > Blake: would see it as a form of self-expression. > Jenna: would think it was pretty. > Vila: would have been too drunk to notice(what with all that champagne = > just standing there). > Gan: would be happy because everyone was having a good time. > Cally: would be looking for a deeper meaning to it all. > Orac: would complain about that completely frivolous way of using its = > time and demand to be deactivated. > Servalan: would be very annoyed at being disturbed. She would = > immediately try to find a way to stop it. Permanently. > Travis: would try to execute whatever plan Servalan came up with to stop = > the fireworks, only to be foiled once again by the Liberator crew. > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE351F.C474CD80 > Content-Type: application/ms-tnef > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > > eJ8+IiQXAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy > b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAwAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL > AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAdwAAAAAAAAC1O8LALHcQGqG8CAArKlbCFQAAADwmh0Hg49ARgogAYJeF > jbHkgAAAAAAAAIErH6S+oxAZnW4A3QEPVAIAAAAAQmxha2VzN0BseXNhdG9yLmxpdS5zZQBTTVRQ > AEJsYWtlczdAbHlzYXRvci5saXUuc2UAAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEAAAAXAAAA > Qmxha2VzN0BseXNhdG9yLmxpdS5zZQAAAwAVDAEAAAADAP4PBgAAAB4AATABAAAAGQAAACdCbGFr > ZXM3QGx5c2F0b3IubGl1LnNlJwAAAAACAQswAQAAABwAAABTTVRQOkJMQUtFUzdATFlTQVRPUi5M > SVUuU0UAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAB4A9l8BAAAAFwAAAEJsYWtlczdAbHlzYXRvci5saXUuc2UA > AAIB918BAAAALAAAAL8AAAC1O8LALHcQGqG8CAArKlbCFQAAADwmh0Hg49ARgogAYJeFjbHkgAAA > AwD9XwEAAAADAP9fAAAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAALIZAEEgAEACgAAAGZpcmV3b3JrcwDcAwEF > gAMADgAAAM8HAQABAAAAKwAeAAUAJgEBIIADAA4AAADPBwEAAQAAACAABgAFAAMBAQmAAQAhAAAA > MkQwQTA3MjUxMUExRDIxMUJERDIwMDYwOTdGMDM2RDYA7AYBA5AGAEwGAAAgAAAACwACAAEAAAAL > ACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQAgZR5fFzW+AR4AcAABAAAACgAAAGZp > cmV3b3JrcwAAAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG+NRdfBSUHCjChERHSvdIAYJfwNtYAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAA > AFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAAaAAAAamFjcXVlbGluZS50aGlqc2VuQGNtZy5ubAAAAAMABhDGCLgy > AwAHEBcDAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABISUFMTCxJVElTTk9XSEFMRkFOSE9VUklOVE9USEVORVdZRUFS > SEVSRSxBTkRJSEFWRUpVU1RCRUVOV0FUQ0hJTkdUSEVGSVJFV09SS1NDQU5JVEJFQ0FMTEVET0JT > RVNTSVZFAAAAAAIBCRABAAAARAMAAEADAAB/BAAATFpGdfZjbzQDAAoAcmNwZzEyNRYyAPgLYG4O > EDA0M50B9yACpAPjAgBjaArAYHNldDAgBxMCgH05CoF1YwBQCwMLtSBI5GkgB0BsLAqiCoQKgMZJ > BUAEACBubwfgEQDsbGYTYAOgaAhhFJACMGBvIHRoZRTAB9F5LmUKwRZACXAsFVFkIIpJFQF2FlBq > dXMFQMJiCeEgd2F0EPALgFJnFiNmaQlwdwWwa1BzLiBDA5FpGEIgxmMTcQmAIG9iETAEEOZpF+EG > kCBlF+ADoBYw9RjAIADAaweRB4AWIQuAbmsbMBVAFaJmF9AIYnTfGrERAQDQHoARID8XkBxC/xSh > GtARMBdAF6AYsAQgGcC/F3AGcRkRFZAH4BYxeSCh/HVsF4AJcB7xFiAWEBmIpRO6QR4wbjoh1XAD > YLpiAaBsIcAdRBpxYRrA/wNwC1ARQBZQIHEegR2hBGD1FnB5F0B0B3EXUwERCRH9I2VCC2Ac0CR2 > ETAbwSXxdwQgJhAocW0dkhEwFTAtvGV4JPAbcgIgI2VKCfB8bmEkdiWHIHIroQJAef0jZVYDECzX > F8MYYxYAFhB4ZHJ1HXEWARTQJ8Bj+GUodxxyA/AWMBNiHFTzEPEmUGFnFnAYBBgwF2HrGQUJcCkj > ZUcAcCR2GqH5EQBwcCHAGGAa0BggFlD5HBFyeSdhIGMXwRkCJhB+ZzBwLUEHcSNlGjATgHnzNVkJ > AG9rGQIocSYBAQD8ZXAEkB0BAHAZAxYQJeL7E4AjZU8e4SR2JjMLcRNg/QbgdSKBMpMmRSVRA1Ab > oP8I8RggGKEhwB2hGCAZAhpw/wQgJ8cBAAOBLUEWEBqhAQD/HvEboBjACYAjZQZhQzAPAf81WTby > FVEU0BawF4AcgRhg/xkCNAAYMAhwGGBDcAYAFkH/IeQHcAeANABDQSVSRUEio58XcSYQQGIWARgw > b3AaYd0aEFAEkAOBCfB0JVAjZfZUHuA30HMs50ikK4AFkP8+kCahHHE24iTgDwEGUkQj+xrBHRF1 > ShAx80m2GUsXQL8CICVSQoMCEAMQGxJuMXA1E2BnPiJiJWIWUExp/xhgHuAWAAXABQAH0CNlEfEC > AFTgAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAQAAAAMAgBD/////QAAHMCAJI8cVNb4BQAAIMCAJI8cVNb4BCwAAgAgg > BgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAA4UAAAAAAAADAAKACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAQhQAAAAAA > AAMABYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFKFAADpDgAAHgAlgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAA > VIUAAAEAAAAEAAAAOC4wAAMAJoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAGFAAAAAAAACwAvgAggBgAA > AAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAADoUAAAAAAAADADCACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAARhQAAAAAAAAMA > MoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABiFAAAAAAAAHgBBgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAANoUA > AAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AQoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADeFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAEOA > CCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA4hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA9AAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAAMADTT9 > NwAAKWY= > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE351F.C474CD80-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:46:26 +-100 > From: Jacqueline Thijsen > To: "'AChevron@aol.com'" , > "Blakes7@lysator.liu.se" > > Subject: RE: [B7L] Post-War Politics > Message-ID: <01BE3520.2A6F10A0@cmg71700449> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > D. Rose wrote: > > >One wonders what her plans were, though, if the Sleer disguise were > >penetrated before she was ready to discard it. Any ideas? > > This is Servalan we're talking about. Any of her contingency plans would naturally include a liberal use of murder, mayhem, generally manhandling the populations of several planets and other things w> > Jacqueline > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:21:07 EST > From: Mac4781@aol.com > To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] fireworks > Message-ID: <72816b72.368c14f3@aol.com> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Jacqueline wrote: > > > Avon: would probably think it a complete waste of money, time and effort. > > But he'd also wonder about fireworks as potential weapons. > > > Blake: would see it as a form of self-expression. > > And wonder how he could use it against the Federation. > > > Jenna: would think it was pretty. > > And would hope it would give Blake romantic notions. > > > Vila: would have been too drunk to notice(what with all that champagne just > > standing there). > > Or think he was having a mega hangover. > > > Gan: would be happy because everyone was having a good time. > > Until two little kids set off a firecracker that landed on his leg. > > > Cally: would be looking for a deeper meaning to it all. > > And produce no less than six Auron sayings on the subject. > > > Orac: would complain about that completely frivolous way of using its time > > and demand to be deactivated. > > Then pout when someone actually deactived him and he missed the grand finale. > > > Servalan: would be very annoyed at being disturbed. She would immediately > > try to find a way to stop it. Permanently. > > Thus setting off all the remaining fireworks at once and destroying the entire > planet. > > > Travis: would try to execute whatever plan Servalan came up with to stop > the > > fireworks, only to be foiled once again by the Liberator crew. > > Not realizing that Servalan was just using him as a diversion. She'd executed > the plan herself. > > Meanwhile, Tarrant and Dayna ended up with minor burns because they just had > to try lighting fireworks for themselves. And Soolin used the distraction to > hunt down two more of the group who murdered her family. > > Carol Mc > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:20:41 -0000 > From: "Neil Faulkner" > To: "lysator" > Subject: Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > Message-ID: <002f01be351e$acad92a0$c519ac3e@default> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > But. If Servalan maintained an air of mystery, and didn't allow her image > to > >be widely disseminated, then I could see that the Sleer disguise would > work. > >As Sleer, she seems to have been a civilian employee of the Federation, and > >moved in different circles than before. And her taste in clothing wouldn't > >seem so strange to the people she worked for. > > > We all know what Stalin looked like, but how many people would recognise > Krushchev, let alone Malenkov? Servalan was a short-lived president with a > limited sphere of influence in a time of considerable volatility. If she > wanted to stay unpublicised, she could probably have done so. > > > One wonders what her plans were, though, if the Sleer disguise were > >penetrated before she was ready to discard it. Any ideas? D. Rose > > > Perhaps she knew that her cover would be blown sooner or later, and so > didn't go as far as she might to conceal it. (Cosmetic surgery might have > been ruled out through a triumph of sheer pride over common sense.) > Officially she was dead anyway. Anyone with enough resources who thought > she might be still alive would eventually find her. > > So I think she was using the Sleer identity to consolidate her position as > fast as possible before the whistle was finally blown. Sooner or later (and > probably sooner) she would have to declare herself and make a bid for power. > (Presumably she still had ambitions. Otherwise she could have taken up > chicken farming and gone into hiding for ever.) > > Neil > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:33:24 -0000 > From: "Neil Faulkner" > To: "lysator" > Subject: Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Message-ID: <003001be351e$ad76fd20$c519ac3e@default> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dita, President and Supreme Commander of the Terran Federation. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jan 1999 23:22:19 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Subject: ADMIN: Fair warning Message-ID: As a consequence of the Stanistraken mess, ten (real) messages didn't make it from the single-mail list to the digest version. I'm about to try to re-send them here, so don't be alarmed if things look a bit odd. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "I came out of that meeting so full of enthusiasm that I spent the next two hours updating my resume" -- Paul Tomblin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:58:24 +0100 (MET) From: Bizarro7@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Ashton Press Website Updates Message-ID: <382d1442.3699e6e9@aol.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 1) We've added a whole bunch of new pictures to our Blakes 7 picture site. 2) There are always new cartoons being posted. Right now we're still featuring Leah's Christmas cartoons, as well as some Christmas filks by Annie & Leah, and a brand-new Cold Squad/Highlander cartoon. The holiday cartoons will be going away real soon now! 3) Lots of updates at Donan Woods, including new reviews, links to Highlander fan fiction, updates to the fanzine page, the activation of our Ancient Egyptian page, and more. 4) The addition of a brand new site where we provide links and recommendations to some of our favorite writers. Right now they are mostly Highlander related but keep checking back because we're going to expand it to include other fandoms and original fiction, as well. 5) We've added some new fiction at our Fan Fiction Site, including Highlander and Alias Smith & Jones stories. Most of the stories there are currently BLAKES 7. 6) We have a new webring that we'd like to invite people to join, celebrating the Women of Highlander. Stop by and visit us at: Ashton Press -- http://members.aol.com/ashton7/ashton.htm Donan Woods -- http://members.aol.com/methosela/cass.htm Annie Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:49:07 +0100 (MET) From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Tanith Lee and her Fascism? Message-ID: <006c01be3d80$caad0f00$7b17ac3e@default> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tanith Lee and her fascism - there are three possibilities here. (a) I meant it. (b) I was trying to wind you all up. (c) I was sending myself up. Take your pick. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:37:28 +0100 (MET) From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and Deltas Message-ID: Content-Type: text In message , Tigerm1019@aol.com writes >This is very interesting. Genetic purity based on what? Fewer mutations, >inherited disorders, pure human genome, purity of racial type? Have humans >perhaps crossbred with something else at some point? There's a strong suggestion in _The Way Back_ that there's been some sort of environmental disaster in the past. That could well have resulted in some sort of genetic testing programme being put into place, possibly for good reasons, and the caste system is one of the results. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:29:35 +0100 (MET) From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and Deltas Message-ID: Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 99-01-11 11:48:33 EST, Neil wrote: << In other words, who says grade really is a measure of intelligence? More likely related to boring old economic status - someone has to be poor, after all. (FWIW in my own subcanon, grade is based on genetic purity.)>> This is very interesting. Genetic purity based on what? Fewer mutations, inherited disorders, pure human genome, purity of racial type? Have humans perhaps crossbred with something else at some point? << Getting into really boring territory, what do Federation citizens do for a living? Would the advance of technology leave any work for the working classes? What about welfare? Would even the Federation liquidate millions of unemployed to limit public spending?>> I did get the feeling that there might be large numbers of unskilled, unemployed people in the domes (maybe I've read too much Judge Dredd). There probably is some form of welfare or workfare (perhaps the workers in HoK were in such a program). I could see the Federation very easily liquidating unemployed or converting them into mutoids to be used as cannon fodder by Space Command to limit public spending. All with some "reasonable" explanation, of course, like an "unavoidable" disaster such as a toxic waste leak or something. The Federation is a place where people disappear. The impression I got in the series was that technology and machines were more important than people. In the much maligned "Harvest of Kairos" I noticed that the officers had no concern for the workers left behind to die on Kairos; what was important was shipping out as much kairopan as possible. The attitude seemed to be "Well, they're only deltas; who cares?" This seems to indicate that manpower was cheap and readily available in the Federation. << I personally see the Deltas as living in a lawless shadow economy, fenced off from 'decent' society like the South American barrios. Or is it the 'nice' people who are fenced in? Lots of cyberpunky potential there.>> Very plausible. If you're basing it on Latin America, I tend to go with the nice people being fenced in. Tiger M Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:40:31 +0100 (MET) From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Tanith Lee and her Fascism? Message-Id: <199901111733.LAA10149@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Penny Dreadful wrote: >Correct me if I'm wrong but I got the distinct impression they were >sneaking off together for a surreptitious viewing of a rare contraband copy >of "Triumph of The Will". You know the episode I mean, right? And extra points for Penny, who knows a troll when she sees one. - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@rsc.raytheon.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:37:46 +0100 (MET) From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Tanith Lee and her Fascism? Message-ID: <2iyagHAoOkm2EwVd@jajones.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text In message <006c01be3d80$caad0f00$7b17ac3e@default>, Neil Faulkner writes > >Tanith Lee and her fascism - there are three possibilities here >(a) I meant it. >(b) I was trying to wind you all up. >(c) I was sending myself up. > >Take your pick. > Knowing you, all three at once. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:45:28 EST From: Carolyn772@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Vila's favorite singer Message-ID: <5f45a553.369a7f08@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Who else? Tom Waits! "There ain't no devil, there's just God when he's drunk..." "I don't have a drinking problem 'Cept when I can't get a drink" " I'd tell you all my secrets but I'll lie about my past" "...If you want a taste of madness, you'll have to wait in line. You'll probably see someone you know on Heartattack and Vine." ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jan 1999 23:46:22 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] ADMIN: Fair warning Message-ID: Another thing: I removed several hundred posts from the outgoing mail-queue in a less than subtle manner[1] earlier today (you can guess what kind of posts they were, I think), so if anyone tried to post something with the word "stanistraken" in it during that time, that post is very thoroughly gone, and you'll have to re-send it. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "I came out of that meeting so full of enthusiasm that I spent the next two hours updating my resume" -- Paul Tomblin [1] For the technically inclined, this is how: # cd /var/spool/mqueue # rm -f `grep -il stanistraken` ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:06:33 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and Deltas Message-ID: <369AAE29.2E8A@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > Getting into really boring territory, what do Federation citizens do for a > living? Would the advance of technology leave any work for the working > classes? This question is already looming in our "real world" as manufacturing becomes increasingly automated. And, advances in molecular biology and chemistry are fast promising to replace wood, stone and metal with ceramics cast of simple sand and capable of assuming most any color, shape and size. I always laugh when I see the "miners" breaking rocks with pick axes in Blakes 7 and other "future" shows (like the Deep Space 9 mirror universe, where the humans are made to work in the mines). This is akin to having humans smelt horseshoes over charcoal fires. That sort of primitive work would be considered ludicrous in light of current techno capabilities. Just as, in the future, it would be silly to show slaves picking cotton in the fields to spin cloth to make clothing, when clothing is all rayon and dacron, spun of oil from machines - that also mine and process that oil. And silly to show peasants cutting wheat with sythes, when tractors exist. That's how silly it is to have Ro's people picking away in the mines on Horizon. Certainly, we know that fashion designers still flourish, thanks in large part to Servalan! > What about welfare? Would even the Federation liquidate millions > of unemployed to limit public spending? The thing about power: one must have someone to rule over, or what's the point? I expect some on this list have worked in the sort of corporate strucuture where managers are not concerned so much with making money for the company, as they are concerned with their own status among the other managers: most often expressed by accruing employees - need or not: so that they can "silently" say to their peers: "I have more subordinates than you do; neener neener." So, useless citizens must be kept about so that the rulers have someone to rule. And, keeping a vast discrepancy between the rulers and the ruled makes their power and prestige all the more palpable. As when Sula complained that Servalan's new palace, a recreation of a 19th century mansion, cost more than half a dozen whole domes for the hoi polloi. The poor are needed to make the rich relish their riches. It's all relative. We're often told that the poor in the USA today, with their tv dinners and color tv's and heated apartments, live better than kings did in days of yore (eating porridge with only a sorry fool for entertainment in cold stone halls). But they feel poor because they're watching Dallas and Falcon Crest on those color tv's. Speaking of entertainment: today's futurist books often say that creating entertainment will be one of the major growth industries of the next century. But where in the Federation are the video games and virtual reality adventures we expect to have soon? All destroyed in the cataclysm? Perhaps all the violence of today's media was blamed for whatever holocaust was hinted at before the new Federation set up housekeeping inside the domes? Therefore, electronic media was kept to a minimum to keep violent thought at bay? This could explain the earlier thread about why the few pictoral portrayals seen in B7 are "grainy and poor quality." > I personally see the Deltas as living in a lawless shadow economy, fenced > off from 'decent' society like the South American barrios. And dealing in soma and adreneline, no doubt. > Or is it the 'nice' people who are fenced in? Probably. This is happening already in the US today. People stroll in the safety of security controlled malls rather than brave the possiblility of mingling with the poor and dispossessed on city streets. People live in gated communities, send their children to private schools, roll up the windows and lock the doors of their Jeep Cherokees, Suburbans and other assorted UAVs (urban assault vehicles) as they drive in public places, and install guns in their dresser drawers and elaborate security devices in their homes. The brave new world is fast coming to be everyday reality. Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:02:59 +0100 (MET) From: "Kate Gordon" To: "Blakes 7" Subject: [B7L] Cor blimey Message-ID: <008301be3da5$5c361920$1ce107c3@doofer> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well Dita, I am glad I've got a fast modem! I got a few more grey hairs scrolling through that lot! -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #24 *************************************