From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #235 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/235 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 235 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... [B7L] song for a video [B7L] Redemption 2001 [B7L] Horizon Newsflash Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:03:08 +0100 From: "Dangermouse" To: "Hellen Paskaleva" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... Message-Id: <199907300907.KAA26863@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Hellen Paskaleva > Last, but not least, I can't see Blake to use such a threat against > Federation' citizens. He fights FOR them, not AGAINST them, at least. > But he's an unbalanced (Star One shows that) fanatic - he might think that their deaths, rather than continued abuse under the Federation, would actually be doing them a favour, freeing them from the suffering of their lives... I like that idea, actually ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:14:22 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "lysator" Subject: [B7L] song for a video Message-ID: <000501beda8d$96ccca40$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 'Everybody Hurts' by REM would make a good B7 video wouldn't it? I think it could be quite funny, along the lines of 'I get knocked down' by Chumbawumba, which someone suggested (was it Wendy?) about this time last year. Can you visualise it? The video would be a montage of all the regular characters, and most of the guests being.. well.. 'hurt' for want of a better word. Physically preferably. There shouldn't be any shortage of shots to choose from anyway. Then in the penultimate section Michael Stipe is singing 'hang on.. hang on...' you could have a montage of the crew all hanging onto each other (I have a feeling such shots have been extensively catalogued by certain fans :-) And in the last bit where it is mainly wailing you could have the very last scene. In fact if anyone has the ear of the BBC, ask them to make this as a trailer for the repeats of B7 which are supposed to be coming up. (heh heh, I know they won't but it's quite a cute idea IMHO) Anyway, I am also off on me hols, byee Alison ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:20:49 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: Lysator , Space City , Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Redemption 2001 Message-ID: <37A1DEEF.25E1F57D@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those of you who were at Redemption this year will already know the following from the letter you should have received. For the rest of you, here is the official announcement for Redemption 2001 Redemption '99 was such a success, the committee has decided to do it again - in 2001. Nearly 300 people attended Redemption '99, raising #2000, which was split equally between our two charities - the National Asthma Campaign and the Woodland Trust. The same two charities will receive all the profits from the next event as well. Redemption '01 will be held from 23 to 25 February 2001, again at the Ashford International Hotel in Kent. The convention will repeat the formula of concentrating on fan run events, such as games, workshops, panels and debates, that proved so popular last time. Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 will again be the themes, boosted hopefully by the news that a Blake's 7 TV movie is in the making. Gareth Thomas has agreed to be a guest. He will be joined by Andy Lane, author of the Babylon Files, the unofficial guides to the series, and the backs of some 350 Babylon 5 trading cards. He has also written some Dr Who books. Also on the guest list are Servalan impersonator David Walsh and Michael Sheard, who played section leader Clegg in Blake's 7 and brightens up every convention he attends. All guest appearances are subject to work commitments. As well as myself, the committee is made up of Eddie Cochrane, Chris O'Shea, Judith Proctor, Lesley Rhodes, Anne Wells and Nik Whitehead. For more information, send an sae to Lesley Rhodes, 26 Kings Meadow View, Wetherby LS22 7FX or email redemptioninfo@smof.com, or just ask on this list. Web address: http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson "What is it with you and holes?" Xena to Gabrielle, Paradise Found ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:30:05 +0100 From: Robinson Paula To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] Horizon Newsflash Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Gareth Thomas is about to record his third 'Heartbeat' episode as Nathanial Clegghorn, which will be ep. 12 'No Surrender'. He is then going to be touring Scotland and Northern England in an Irish period drama set in the time of Oliver Cromwell, called 'The Clearing'. His character is called Solomon. Tour dates/venues aren't quite ready but it's due to open in Edinburgh on 9th September and also play Glasgow, Dundee and Liverpool, ending around 5th November. Jan Chappell's American movie, starring Helen Mirren, which was to be called Wildflowers, has now been named 'Greenfingers'. Paula ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:01:25 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... Message-ID: <19990730220126.99084.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dangermouse wrote: Does not. And no, I won't force you all to listen to me on the subject again. Blake was RIGHT about destroying Star One. Letting a plague loose on the galaxy - simply to kill Servalan (!) - is a *completely* different kettle of poisoned fish. Yes, I do believe Avon might have done it. There isn't anyone outside the Liberator (that we know of - he thinks both of the Grants were dead at this stage) that he cares enough about to put their lives ahead of getting rid of Servalan and her people. As far as he is concerned, the whole human race can go to hell in a high-tech handcart for the sake of the few people who matter to him. Blake never shows much interest in Servalan as a person, barely seeing her in her own right, more as a type that he knows there were all too many of. She is powerful, yes, also unimportant in herself - if she died, she'd be immediately replaced by another just as bad. So killing her *personally* never holds much interest for him, since he knows her death would not change anything - anything that matters to him. So why on earth would he risk the lives of millions for something so essentially meaningless? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 05:39:51 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... Message-ID: <37A2EE94.7A57C549@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sally Manton wrote: > Dangermouse wrote: > > > Does not. And no, I won't force you all to listen to me on the > subject again. Blake was RIGHT about destroying Star One. Letting > a plague loose on the galaxy - simply to kill Servalan (!) - is a > *completely* different kettle of poisoned fish. Up front, to avoid misunderstanding, No, I don't think Blake would release the virus. I did think, however, that the original question wasn't about releasing it at Fosforon, but using it later, as a weapon; in which case the point wouldn't be to kill Servalan, but to break the Federation stranglehold on the outer worlds by eliminating space travel, thereby isolating the planets from each other--at least until an antidote was found. It would be difficult for us to judge the relative deaths resulting from destroying Star One vs. releasing the virus, as we don't have sufficient information, i.e. how much control Star One actually had vs. how common space travel was. One possible alternate scenario is that Blake might give the antidote to resistance groups *ahead* of releasing the virus, with instructions to dose the general population, and withhold it only from the ruling elite and, if possible, troops. This might be workable if the antiviral could be administered orally or as a gas. [As Blake was willing to destroy Star One, I wonder if he *might* consider this, depending what sort of death rate he expected. What does anyone think?] > Yes, I do believe Avon might have done it. There isn't anyone > outside the Liberator (that we know of - he thinks both of the > Grants were dead at this stage) that he cares enough about to put > their lives ahead of getting rid of Servalan and her people. As far > as he is concerned, the whole human race can go to hell in a > high-tech handcart for the sake of the few people who matter to him. Nonsense!! He might consider it longingly, but he wouldn't go through with it. It doesn't match up with what seems to be his pattern in canon *at all*: * 1) An enemy is fair game. (This includes all willing employees and allies of the Federation, personal enemies, people who betray him, etc.) * 2) Strangers who deliberately set themselves in opposition to Avon or those he cares for are fair game. Predatory criminals are fair game. * 3) Avon feels *no* obligation to assist innocents/neutrals (Traitor, The Web), but he is generally polite (Aftermath, Pressure Point), and might assist them if it is convenient or advantageous (Deliverance, Countdown, Deathwatch). * 4) He *doesn't* commit violent acts of aggression against innocents/neutrals (unless it's a possible either/or situation-- Orbit, Rescue.) In sum, 'every man for himself (with a few exceptions), but stay out of my way and I'll stay out of yours.' Before I could believe that Avon would release the plague, I'd have to see a lot of examples of his willingness to harm people indiscriminately; and I just don't think they exist in canon. He certainly shut up quickly enough at Fosforon when Blake pointed out that someone might escape and carry the virus off-world. Just IMHO, Mistral -- "It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo." --the third Doctor -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #235 **************************************