From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #184 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/184 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 184 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Casters anonymous [B7L] Re: What if. . . ? (A non-canonic thought about the crew) Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds [B7L] Brave New Worlds [B7L] groaners [B7L] Brave New Worlds [B7L] Ancestry (was Even more casting) Re: [B7L] Re: Buffy/Blake's 7 Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting [B7L] Re: Even more casting Re: [B7L] oh my god, he killed blake! Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting [B7L] Re: What if. . . ? (A non-canonic thought about the crew) [B7L] Casters anonymous [B7L] A different what if... Re: [B7L] Casters anonymous Re: [B7L] A different what if... Re: [B7L] Blake the Butcher? Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds Re: [B7L] Casters anonymous [B7L] Horizon newsflash Re: [B7L] Re: What if. . . ? (A non-canonic thought about the crew) Re: [B7L] A different what if... [B7L] Cult TV ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 12:44:40 -0600 From: Penny Dreadful To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Casters anonymous Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990606124440.0079d100@mail.geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:53 PM 6/5/99 +0100, Neil Faulkner wrote: >Bah humbug and who the smeg is Willow? Well, I might not have put it exactly like that (fearing the Wrath of the List the way I do), but I *am* reassured to know I'm not entirely alone in my Buffy-ignorance. Come on, all the rest of you televisually challenged, speak up and admit it -- you have nothing to lose but the respect of your peers. I *have* been reading all the incomprehensible (to me) posts, though. I simply cannot delete a post unread -- it would niggle at me to think that I might have missed The Big Secret. So -- that purple number Servalan was wearing in 'Harvest of Kairos', what's the deal there...? --Penny The Eggplant-Slayer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:12:28 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: What if. . . ? (A non-canonic thought about the crew) Message-ID: <199906051812_MC2-7845-9898@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sally Manton had some very good ideas about who we'd like to see on the Liberator, all of which I like, especially Jarriere of course: >Rashel and the clone. She's one of those characters I love >because she's so ordinary. The way she stands up to > Travis and Servalan, she's so scared you can almost see >her shaking but trying very hard to be brave...I much prefer >her to the Amazon type like Dayna. Rashel would make a >*very* different type of freedom fighter, one every bit as >scared as Vila, but going ahead with what she has to do >(albeit on shaky legs). This reminds me a little of Anna in Chris Boucher's Star Cops. I don't suppose you've ever seen Star Cops, Sally? I've finally managed to watch the whole thing thanks to Robert lending me his videos. And Devis - given that you agree with me on virtually everything but Servalan, you'd have to love Colin "Cuddly" Devis. Played by Trevor Cooper (who took my fancy years ago when he did a lot of theatre work here in Manchester) - who actually has a B7 connection as he played a minor role in the Horizon audio play Logic of Empire. Imagine Vila and Gan rolled into one. With attitude. Sorry, this started off as being about Anna... She's a bit like Rashel, only probably rather brighter. But that determination to do the right thing, however terrified she is, strikes a chord. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:22:53 -0600 From: Penny Dreadful To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990606142253.00817310@mail.geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:21 PM 6/4/99 +0100, Una McCormack wrote: >What compromises would he have made in order to secure power (if any)? > >How far would power have corrupted him? Those two are basically the same question -- I mean I really can't see Blake suddenly going all Servalan the second the opportunity arose, but he certainly could have started getting his hands a lot dirtier/bloodier in the name of keeping *ahem* The People in power...I think Blake could be a real Lenin... >What would have been the effect of his increasing cynicism on his idealistic >programme for change? See above. >How long would he have lasted? Seventy years, eighty at the outside. >How would history have seen him? Not as flatteringly as if he'd died a martyr. History loves a loser. --Penny the Pessimistic Pinko ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:27:02 PDT From: Sally Manton To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Brave New Worlds Message-ID: <19990606212702.32465.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Una wrote: I don't really believe that Blake ever really intended to take any part in the new government. From what Avon says in Pressure Point and LeGrand says in Voice from the Past, it's likely he would have been pushed to *do* so, even if only as a figurehead, but the same episodes indicate that he is totally uninterested in power (so does the brief discussion of controlling Star One in The Keeper.) and isn't convinced by their arguments anyway. Maybe he'd have agreed to *be* a part of the new government to allow the changeover, but I think he'd have pulled out as soon as he was able. And quite possibly, he never expected to survive to see his brave new world. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 19:28:30 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: BuffyB7 , B7 Lysator Subject: [B7L] groaners Message-ID: <3759DCCE.1F02FD2B@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mistral wrote: (already posting to the new list) these bad Buffy/Blake crossover zine titles: >"Buffy and Vampire Sleer" >"Mission to Sunnydale" >"Seek-Locate-Impale" (oh grrrooooaaaannnn >"Down and Undead" oh grrrooooaaaaaannnnnn >"Tranquilised Nightmares" >"Mr. Pointy's Tales from Outer Space" chortle! snort! tee hee hee but missed: "Stakedown" "Voices from the Crypt" "Dawn of the Ghouls" "UnderWorld" "Obit" and what about the already perfect: "Rumours of Death" "Sarcophagus" "Deathwatch" "Headhunter" Pat P http://www.geocities.com/area51/1707 ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 17:31:48 PDT From: Sally Manton To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Brave New Worlds Message-ID: <19990606003148.8090.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Una wrote: I don't really believe that Blake ever really intended to take any part in the new government. From what Avon says in Pressure Point and LeGrand says in Voice from the Past, it's likely he would have been pushed to *do* so, even if only as a figurehead, but the same episodes indicate that he is totally uninterested in power (so does the brief discussion of controlling Star One in The Keeper.) and isn't convinced by their arguments anyway. Maybe he'd have agreed to *be* a part of the new government to allow the changeover, but I think he'd have pulled out as soon as he was able. And quite possibly, he never expected to survive to see his brave new world. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:47:43 -0700 (PDT) From: J MacQueen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Ancestry (was Even more casting) Message-ID: <19990606224743.4530.rocketmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Kathryn suggested: > >So does that mean that Avon *is* really a Jew, > > like Leah suggested a couple of years ago? > Have no idea what the rest of this bit of the > thread's about, but Avon having Jewish origins has > struck me as a plausible theory before now. > Harriet Kathryn, have you ever watched "Water Rats"? If so, how about Detective Rachel Goldstein as his how-ever-many-greats-it-is grandmother? Reasons for suggestion: secular Jew, had to kill fiance at end of first series lest he kill her and a fellow detective (not to mention issue of broken trust). Oh, and Avon wanted to investigate in "Mission to Destiny" - an instinct for detection in the blood? Well, just a thought. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:00:12 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Buffy/Blake's 7 Message-ID: <19990606130012.A1197@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 11:59:24AM -0700, Pat Patera wrote: > Kathryn Andersen wrote: > > (Kathryn starts thinking of names... > > "Staked Blake" - hmmm...) > Staked Blake. I *love* it! "Staked Blake" it is. Unless someone comes up with something better. > > so anyone who's interested in this project, mail me,... > > This is so we can discuss things without boring everyone else to bits. > Boring? I've not chuckled so much in weeks as over this Bf/B7thread. :-D > > Tramilla, a rabid Buffy fan, is coming to visit me in a few weeks. We'll > see what we can do on this project. Kathryn, you keep cracking the whip. Write! Write you scum! Write! (oops, got carried away there) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:24:03 -0600 From: Penny Dreadful To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990605212403.007b2760@mail.geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:32 PM 6/5/99 -0700, Pat Patera wrote: >Penny, I know *you* will write the slickest, sickest, snidest story in >the collection. Well (I'll construe 'slick, sick, and snide' as a compliment) I'd be more than happy to oblige except for the fact I've never seen a single episode of 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer'. I did see the movie and greatly enjoyed it, but I don't know any of these other characters to whom you all refer. Will have to stick to slowly torturing Pratchett to death I'm afraid. Slickly, Sickly, Snidely, Penny Dreadful ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:43:36 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Message-ID: <199906061944_MC2-7859-5CF0@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Pat P wrote: >So perhaps Servalan is a descendent of Ares and Discord? I think Hope got a bit muddled in the maternity ward and walked off with the monster by mistake. Obviously her true daughter by Ares was Servalan all along. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:44:33 EDT From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] oh my god, he killed blake! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/2/99 1:10:03 PM Mountain Daylight Time, patpatera@netzero.net writes: > This sounds like a yard ornament for Penny Dreadful's Mad Poodle Farm Oh yes!! That would be the *perfect* place for it! Nina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:40:28 EDT From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Message-ID: <4b54a952.248ca73c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/4/99 8:11:19 PM Mountain Daylight Time, mistral@ptinet.net writes: > Hmm. Three days with Joxer and Avon might start to really > appreciate Vila a lot more. Nah, Joxer wouldn't last three days > with Avon. True. But that's 2 days more than Jarriere would last with Avon. Hmm...that conjures up some amusing possibilities for Avon-torture! Nina ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 10:46:01 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Message-Id: <199906060946.KAA05869@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Oh, it's got to Britain, but it's SF, and therefore only watched by > children and adults who ought to grow up, and therefore put on at 6pm But not _every_ 6pm - that would be too easy. I don't think the beeb managed to show more than two consecutive episodes before finding some reason to bump it a week. And as for stopping partway through season two... sheesh. steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 00:55:30 PDT From: Sally Manton To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: What if. . . ? (A non-canonic thought about the crew) Message-ID: <19990607075531.42421.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Harriet wrote: Of course. Re Rashel... No.... Ooooohhhhhh....I’m beginning to feel a bounce coming on. Tramila..... (Stop it. The last time you bounced, you hurt yourself). Right. I feel sensible now. And a Vila-Gan combination has - um - possibilities. That’s it exactly. Now if Dayna had been more that way, she *wouldn't* be my most-favoured-to-be-an-imitation-of- a-doornail at Gauda Prime. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 00:58:25 PDT From: Sally Manton To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Casters anonymous Message-ID: <19990607075830.16207.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Neil wrote: And Penny replied: And I have learned (the hard way) that the minute I start ignoring a thread it turns into something fascinating and I don't find out till it's too late to get back in. So I read them. All. No sacrifice is too great and all that. (PS - I'm also one of those who reads posts marked 'test'.) Apart from my neice's pet caterpillar, I've no idea... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 01:11:37 PDT From: Sally Manton To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] A different what if... Message-ID: <19990607081147.95068.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed An exercise for anyone who cares for it. Imagine it's 2nd season - heading towards Pressure Point and the decision has been made that Blake's going to lose one of his Seven. Only two characters are safe - Blake himself and (because some Power-that-Be's kid likes him) *Gan*. So you are picking one of the other four to make the Ultimate Sacrifice. And Gan will survive for the same length of time that the other one does (i e, if Jenna, till the end of Series 2, if Vila, right till the end). [1] Who would you choose on the grounds of *dramatic* expediency (not just because your unfavourite is...?) [2] How do you think it would affect/change the storyline/ individual episodes as time goes on? For instance...I'd pick Cally. Avon is needed for dramatic tension (and he is and remains the most popular character, so no programmer in his right *mind* is going to kill him off this early) and Vila for comic relief. Due to (ahem) Poor-Writing-Syndrome, both of the women are somewhat expendable, each having only one 'good' episode thereafter (and Cally does better with Voice from the Past than poor Jenna with - shudder- The Keeper) but I can't see anywhere in the rest of season 2 that Cally's really *necessary*. Her part in Voice could have been done by Jenna (even better, since Avon & Jenna teaming up to save Blake - still with that underlying not-quite-hostility - would have made for good watching.) Her qualms in Star One would have sounded considerably better coming from Gan IMO. Except for her one telepathic message "It's a trap" in Star One, she's dramatically expendable. Season 3? I *do* think that the Avon/Gan relationship there - without Blake and his Cause as a buffer and as a purpose - could have been worthwhile. Gan may be slower, but he's very hard to shift when his mind's made up, and he'd have been less likely to accept the empty drifting of the early season (he'd have pushed harder than Cally seems to do to look for Blake and Jenna). Plus he'd have put short shrift to Tarrant's bullying of Vila (none of this rather sadistic 'they'll let me get rid of you' business), while supporting any of Tarrant's sensible ideas (somehow, I don't think they'd get on awfully well, though). And would we have missed Dawn of the Gods and Children of Auron that much? Sargophagus...mmmm. Can't see Gan in that alien get-up, and the premise would have needed a *lot* of rethinking (Dayna being taken over? Vila??? Ick. Scratch one Sargophagus.) Of course, if they still *had* three male crew members at the start of Series 3, Toothy may have been turfed in favour of another female pilot (Soolin could have been er - 'retrained' as a pilot and brought in early. Which would have been a good thing. I'd have liked to see Gan and Soolin.) Or they could have gone back to six (which would also have been a good thing.). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:14:34 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Casters anonymous Message-ID: <005201beb0c7$d90b27c0$0c01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Neil wrote: > the word 'casting' in the subject header?> > > And Penny replied: > though. I simply cannot delete a post unread - it would niggle > at me to think that I might have missed The Big Secret.> I have no clue about any part of these threads - fortunately it's all coincided with a really bad cold, so I've deleted without guilt. Penny, I admire your persistence. I am much more of the 'can't be arsed' persuasion. Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:32:32 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] A different what if... Message-ID: <008201beb0c8$c2d85da0$0c01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally asked: >Imagine it's 2nd season - heading towards Pressure Point and the decision has been made that Blake's going to lose one of his Seven. Only two characters are safe - Blake himself and (because some Power-that-Be's kid likes him) *Gan*. [1] Who would you choose on the grounds of *dramatic* expediency (not just because your unfavourite is...?)< OK, I'm going to immediately cheat and break your first rule because it really seems that the most interesing option in terms of affecting the whole show/story for maximum effect and 'where the hell do we go from here'? would be bumping off Blake. What on earth would they do next? Jenna and Avon would immediately start a massive power struggle for the ship; Cally would be intent on continuing Blake's fight... And where would it leave the rebellion? Would they deny Blake's death as Federation propaganda? Just some feverish thoughts from someone with too high a temperature. Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 03:44:39 PDT From: Rob Clother To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake the Butcher? Message-ID: <19990607104440.46902.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Penny Dreadful: >Those two are basically the same question -- I mean I really can't >see Blake suddenly going all Servalan the second the opportunity >arose, >but he certainly could have started getting his hands a lot > >dirtier/bloodier in the name of keeping *ahem* The People in >power...I >think Blake could be a real Lenin... Blake? Lenin? Er, I might let you get away with comparing Travis to Lenin, but Blake? No way. For a start, Blake had a genuine belief in the idea of freedom: either that, or his "Not until free men can think and speak" outburst in "Space Fall" was a very clever bit of posturing. Lenin was never interested in such petty bourgeois notions as freedom. On 11th August 1918, for example, he wrote to the Comrades at Penza: "The rising of the five Kulak regions must be met with merciless repression... There's need to make an example. (1) Hang not less than 100 Kulaks [Bolshevik term of abuse for land-owning peasants -- Rob], rich ones, blood-suckers... (2) Publish their names. (3) Take all their food away. (4) Pick hostages according to yesterday's telegram. Do everything so that the people will see, tremble and groan for miles around... PS. Search out the hard people. Lenin." Can you really see Blake talking and thinking like that? I always thought of Blake as being a man who supported individuals' rights to control their own destiny (His support of the rebellion in "Countdown" being an example). Lenin massacred those who tried to assert such rights. And he did so with the support of the people he dubbed "useful idiots" -- western intellectuals who believed either that the end justified the means, or simply that Bolshevik atrocities never happened in the first place. You could try writing a story about Blake adopting similar tactics to manipulate popular opinion, and inaugurating a bloodbath based on his twisted idealism. But then you'd have Sue Clerc coming after you with an axe. :-) -- Rob the Reactionary ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:02:39 +0100 From: "Jenni-Alison" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds Message-Id: <199906071103.NAA25397@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una wrote: > I'm sure this is a well-worn theme, but I've been thinking a bit recently > about what Blake's brave new world would have been like. > > Would he have become the leader of an Earth with a shattered infrastructure? > Or would he have effected a coup, rather like Anna Grant intended? I think he'd try very hard to take on the whole infrastructure, and go through it with a fine toothcomb looking for genuinely bad people. This would, of course, fail, since there are very few genuinely bad people, but a great many very convincing opportunists who would quietly begin to build their own little empires. > What compromises would he have made in order to secure power (if any)? I think he'd compromise, or at least that he'd be realistic enough realise that some aspects of his ideals didn't work, and build new ideals around the reality of the situation in which he found himself. This would probably be an ongoing process - the world's like that. After all, I wonder how many thieves, murderers and smugglers were in the resistance before he was mindwiped? Needs must when the devil vomits into your kettle. > How far would power have corrupted him? I don't think it would have corrupted him. I think he'd have found it increasingly hard to justify the new actions he'd be forced to take. Blake likes to trust people, he'd try very hard to keep on the existing politicians and military, simply removing anyone who was overtly a "baddie". Finding that everyone underneath is not as trustworth as he'd hoped would really cause him problems, particularly as he seems to inspire in people a desire to live up to his expecations (Avon, anyone?) even against their will, but *only when they have a direct relationship to him*. I think he'd end up exhausted and overworked, having spread himself far too thin in an attempt to inspire these people to do their civic duty. Then he'd be assasinated by some powerhungry faction. > > What would have been the effect of his increasing cynicism on his idealistic > programme for change? He'd be standing on the shore trying to stop the tide right up until he drowned. > How long would he have lasted? About 3 years, if he was lucky > How would history have seen him? The media would use the freedom of the press to slag him off constantly when he was in power, then the moment he was assasinated it would be a huge tragedy meriting enormous coverage and national mourning. Every tiny positive attribute would be magnified into something unique and special, and people purporting to wish to follow him and live up to his ideals would utterly corrupt everything he ever stood for for political gain. History would see him as someone who failed to achieve what they think were his objectives, but they'd never understand what those objectives were. Of course, if Avon were around and onside, that might increase his chances somewhat. Jenni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:23:34 PDT From: Hellen Paskaleva To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Casters anonymous Message-ID: <19990607112335.21697.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Am I the only one automatically deleting any post with the word 'casting' >in >the subject header? Funny... Your letter was the first in my list. Just prior to open it, I've deleted all the messages, subjected as "Cast...whatever...". Hellen ;-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:26:41 +0100 From: Robinson Paula To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, "'space-city@world.std.com'" Subject: [B7L] Horizon newsflash Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain > Horizon Newsflash: > The cast for episode 2 of the new SF Comedy series on CD - 'Soldiers of > Love', entitled 'Deathtraps' is confirmed to include Michael Keating as > Mydas Mydason, Gareth Thomas as Nermal Hammond (the next disguise of The > Editor) and Jacqueline Pearce as Madame Deephole. > > Nicholas Courtney and Sammie Winmill also star in this episode, in which > we > see Mydas meeting Maureen in his flashback, where we also meet his > brother, > Jake... > > Part 1 'Genesis' is already out and available from Horizon (or direct from > MJTV) and 'Deathtraps' will be out in July. > Paula ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 07:41:04 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: What if. . . ? (A non-canonic thought about the crew) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat 05 Jun, Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > This reminds me a little of Anna in Chris Boucher's Star Cops. I don't > suppose you've ever seen Star Cops, Sally? I've finally managed to watch > the whole thing thanks to Robert lending me his videos. And Devis - given > that you agree with me on virtually everything but Servalan, you'd have to > love Colin "Cuddly" Devis. Played by Trevor Cooper (who took my fancy > years ago when he did a lot of theatre work here in Manchester) - who > actually has a B7 connection as he played a minor role in the Horizon audio > play Logic of Empire. Imagine Vila and Gan rolled into one. With > attitude. > Devis always makes me think of Vila. It's probably the dedicated desire to avoid the strain of overwork, plus some of the humour. Kenzie has a lot in common with Avon in spite of being female and Box *is* Orac. The good news is that Chris says I can publish his second Star Cops novel which will be the one that has all my favourite characters in. (The first one is already available from me but is based on the first episode and thus only has Spring and Theroux). I'm just waiting until he has a chance to get a disc to me. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:28:05 EDT From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] A different what if... Message-ID: <370a0a92.248d6935@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/7/99 1:13:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, smanton@hotmail.com writes: << Season 3? I *do* think that the Avon/Gan relationship there - without Blake and his Cause as a buffer and as a purpose - could have been worthwhile. Gan may be slower, but he's very hard to shift when his mind's made up, and he'd have been less likely to accept the empty drifting of the early season (he'd have pushed harder than Cally seems to do to look for Blake and Jenna). Plus he'd have put short shrift to Tarrant's bullying of Vila (none of this rather sadistic 'they'll let me get rid of you' business), while supporting any of Tarrant's sensible ideas (somehow, I don't think they'd get on awfully well, though). >> I think Tarrant and Gan would have gotten along very well. Gan would have been able to smooth over some of the initial conflicts that Tarrant had with other crew members. Gan was very perceptive and would have quickly seen that Tarrant was willing to put the safety of the ship and crew as a whole and as individuals ahead of his own welfare. Tarrant would have realized that Gan would be a valuable ally in dealing with Vila and Avon. As for the empty drifting, I think Gan would have backed Tarrant's efforts to achieve something positive against what remained of the Federation while it was still disorganized. I think if Gan had been there, the quarrel between Tarrant and Vila would never have come to Tarrant threatening to put Vila off the ship. Gan was neither stupid nor foolish and would have been well aware of how vulnerable the ship was without working weaponry. He was also well aware of Vila's laziness and his attitude towards anything that resembled work. He would have smoothed things over so that Vila went to Keezarn without being terrified. He was quite willing to make Vila go down to Centero in "Seek-Locate-Destroy" (arguably a much more dangerous mission) because Vila's skills were needed to accomplish it. Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:17:01 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] Cult TV Message-ID: <375C1AAA.253777B1@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've just been sent an updated guest list for Cult TV in Weston-super-Mare, 17-20 September: PETER DAVISON; PAUL DARROW; CATHERINE SCHELL; MICHAEL BILLINGTON; LOUISE JAMESON; WILLIAM GAUNT; SIMON MacCORKINDALE; NICOLA BRYANT; FRAZER HINES; HARTLEY HARE (and NIGEL PLASKITT); DESMOND LLEWELLYN; MICHAEL SHEARD More guests are promised There's a link to their web page from mine if you want more info. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson "What is it with you and holes?" Xena to Gabrielle, Paradise Found -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #184 **************************************