From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #113 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/113 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 113 Today's Topics: [B7L] Flat Robin 35 [B7L] Re: september cons Re: [B7L] worst openings Re: [B7L] Rookie fans Re: [B7L] Quotes IRL Re: [B7L] Rookie fans [B7L] con reports Re: [B7L] Re: Rookie fans [B7L] More filking [B7L] test:please ignore Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin) Re: [B7L] Re: Paul Darrow Re: [B7L] Rookie Fans Re: [B7L] Spinoza and Avon Re: [B7L] Rookie fans Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin) [B7L] Sand Re: [B7L] In Encouragement of Filk.. Re: [B7L] worst openings Re: [B7L] Avon & Cally Re: [B7L] Quotes IRL Re: [B7L] Re: what's so funny? Re: [B7L] Sand Re: [B7L] Avon & Cally Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin) Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin) Re: [B7L] worst openings Re: [B7L] Rookie Fans [B7L] Learning to bounce Re: [B7L] Re: what's so funny? Re: [B7L] Re: Paul Darrow Re: [B7L] Rookie Fans Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce Re: [B7L] Spinoza and Avon Re: [B7L] Rookie fans Re: [B7L] Avon, Cally, and Tanith Lee (was Re: what's so funny, Re: [B7L] Avon, Cally, and Tanith Lee (was Re: what's so funny, etc.) Re [B7L]: Pressure Point Re: [B7L] Rookie fans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:59:40 +0100 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: "'Blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] Flat Robin 35 Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F10FB7D@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This chapter has not been sent before, but has rested safely on Penny's harddisk. Last week she suggested that I send it to the list with a slightly altered opening, and as Arkaroo and Avona didn't mind either, I am now doing just that. All this was written during the Meyers-Briggs debate, at which point it came out that Travis is my temperamental soul-mate (ISTJ's, the both of us). So I tried to let Travis act the way I would have, if I had been ruthless, bonkers and in the same room as my worst enemy. Hmm, does this mean that this story is really a Mary Sue? *** > Travis was trying to move, after suddenly waking up from his frog-induced > nightmare, but that brought his head into sudden contact > with the corner of a bed. After a few minutes during which he saw some > interesting lights in front of his eyes, he tried to remember why movement > had seemed like a good idea. Ah yes, someone had called Blake. After a few > more minutes the lights in front of his eyes started to go away and he > tried moving again. Slowly he tried focussing the one eye that still > worked a > little on the figure beside him. From what he could see it was a drunken > sot > with curly hair, who for some reason reminded him of someone. It couldn't > be of a similar drunken sot, since he usually shot the ones he ran into > before they could stick in his memory. > > This drunken sot was singing softly and happily to himself. It sounded > like > something about wizards and knobs. Travis went very quiet. He might not > yet be able to see very well, but there was absolutely nothing wrong with > his > hearing. He painfully moved a little towards the figure beside him until > his > face was almost on top of that of his impromptu roommate. What he saw made > him smile very broadly. > > He managed to free his gun hand which had somehow ended up under his body > when he'd moved and used it to push Blake a little. "Blake!" > > "Whozzat? Ssay, did you know zere was knobsss on wizz'rds staffs?" > > Travis pulled together all of his strength and used it to slap Blake in > the > face. "Blake, look at me." > > "Ouwwww, don' do dat, it hurtsss...." > > Travis painfully pulled himself up on one elbow, then aimed at Blake. It > was > a pity that his old enemy would never know who had killed him, but it was > not absolutely necessary. All that mattered was that there would finally > be > an end to years of hate. His sight had come back a little more, so that he > could make out Blake's face as he fired..... > > "Now, now, you shouldn't be up yet, you're much too weak." The laser burst > that had been meant to go through Blake's eye hit the wall behind him > instead when Nanny pulled him back down on the floor. "Well really" > scolded Nanny, "that's not very nice, wrecking the walls and the ceiling > like that. You're going to have to fix those when you're feeling better." > Travis, whose main experience with walls and ceilings came from destroying > them, aimed at Nanny, only to have his arm caught in that viselike grip > again. "Ooh, there's a good boy, helping me to undress you." "Undress > me?" he asked weakly. > > "Why of course. I'll have to take those dirty old clothes off you if I'm > going to get them clean again, won't I? And while I'm at it, I can wash > you, > too." Travis would have felt a whole lot better if Nanny hadn't sounded so > eager when she said that. "But I have nothing else to wear" he protested > weakly. "Oh, that's no problem" Nanny told him cheerfully "I've got > something here that'll fit you like a glove. I bought it as a present for > our Nell." Travis looked at what she was holding up in front of him and > hoped he was still hallucinating. "You're not going to put that on me" he > protested. > > "And exactly what is wrong with it?" asked Nanny in a tone of voice that > suggested that he'd better learn to like it. Travis looked again at the > pink > nighty with about a million yellow dots which Nanny was lovingly laying > out > on the bed. Were those frills on the edges? Travis found himself at a > loss for words. All he could do was groan as Nanny started to do her > worst.[1] > > *** > > [1] She undressed him, bathed him and put the nighty on him. After that > she washed his clothes and had them sent to a tailor, with instructions > to have some nice little flowers embroidered on the pockets. Well, what > else did you think she'd do? This is the nice list, remember? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:05:51 +0000 From: Steve Rogerson To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: september cons Message-ID: <36F7BBDD.3759F7A9@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vick said: "I could well be running my first convention (B7, Red Dwarf, Doctor Who) in september, and I hardly feel qualified to take it on, even though I've had offers of help, and I've got a lovely venue." Be careful, September already has Cult TV in Weston super Mare on the 15-17 weekend and that will atract many fans of the above shows. Starfury is also putting on a Xena/Herc con that weekend. And there is the Xena/Herc symposium on the first weekend. It's also probably a good idea to check: http://www.smof.com which has a fairly comprehensive listing of UK cons. -- cheers Steve Rogerson "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" Star Wars ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:12:59 -0000 From: "Dangermouse" To: , Subject: Re: [B7L] worst openings Message-Id: <199903231729.RAA26955@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pherber wrote: > > > Morden: What do you want? > > > > Avon: Well, now... > > OOOhhhh! That has *possibilities*...... Yes, nasty isn't it? > > Is it just me or does anybody else wish they'd get Gareth and Paul on (in > > character) Space Ghost Coast To Coast? > > Oh my, yes! Avon and Zorak would get on famously, I'm sure! I'd love to guest on that show... SG himself is a total wanker, but I *love* Zorak. Zorak rules. (I wore a Zorak T-shirt one of the days at Redemption, and I don't think anybody knew what it was.) -- "When two hunters go after the same prey they usually end up shooting each other in the back - and we don't want to shoot each other in the back, do we?" http://members.aol.com/vulcancafe ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:01:06 EST From: SupeStud00@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Rookie fans Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/23/1999 9:04:43 AM Central Standard Time, rherf@tursso.com writes: << Okay, lets stay away from the personal cuts. Just because I don't like 7 of 9 doesn't give you licence to resort to name calling. I don't remember calling you a name. << Read what I wrote again. I was talking about getting away from the negative sterotype and how her charecter is not good enough to justify the blatent attempt to attract viewers that her body hugging outfit obviously is. I was not saying that I did not find her attractive.>> I happen to think the character is good enough to attract viewers based solely on characterization, and i think you are wrong. > ><< Part of it is that she just doesn't click with me > > as a character, but another part of it is that the outfit > is so obviously > a > > play to pick up viewers.>> > > > >Of course it is, and any male who refuses to accept that > that outfit would > >"pick" him up is living in big time denial. > > > >>> Sci-Fi has been saddled with the "busty female" > > tack on sterotype for so long, and it has only been lately > that it seems > to > > have started shedding that image. Voyager hasn't helped > things much.>> > > > >7 of 9 is a fully realized character who happens to have a > great body. Are > >you sure your problem is with the fact that she is underdeveloped? > >(Characterwise that is.) > > Not under developed, just uninteresting. The series should not be driven by a charecter picked up halfway through the run. And it isn't......have you watched lately? << Which I think you would have a difficult time arguing that the series has not been dominated by 7 of 9's development since her introduction.>> This season, it hasn't....... << As I believe someone else pointed out, that wasn't really in style back then. Truthfully I'd take Jenna over 7 of 9. Jenna's a bit closer to reality.>> Not my reality. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:27:14 GMT0BST From: "VJC" To: Kathryn Andersen Subject: Re: [B7L] Quotes IRL Message-ID: <4DADCC64A09@OU20.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Does anyone else use any particular B7 quotes > > on a regular basis IRL (with people who aren't B7 fen?) Yes. Everyone gets the quote now, even at Uni, and no-ones bothered to comment yet. Vick 'Idealism is a wonderful thing, all you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use.' Kerr Avon. (B7 ep 52 'Blake') ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:20:11 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Rookie fans Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 23 Mar, VJC wrote: > > We're doomed by some parts of public opinion no matter what we do. Frankly, > > I've mostly given up bothering about it. I remember one con organiser who used > > to be really worried if there were many fans at the con in fancy dress because > > he knew the press would focus on them, no matter how many other fans attended in > > normal clothes. Does this mean we should never dress up? Stuff that for a load > > of old cobblers! I'm going to enjoy myself and have fun with my friends. > > Worse than that, I've found that the press target any attendees with > mental or other disablities. This is not to say that I have anything > against disabled people having fun at a convention, heaven forbid! > But it doesn't do anything for the public image of the fans if this > is all the press focus on. They're giving out the wrong message, and > anything I could say against their approach could only make me appear > a spoil sport for these poor people. The message I get if I see coverage of disabled fans at a convention is that the people in that fandom and the organisers of the convention care enough to make the event accessible and enjoyable for the disabled. There's actually an organisation called 'electrical eggs' which exists to encourage conventions to make events fully accessible for disabled fans. One of the many minor things I remember from Redemption is the 'eggs' representative coming up to ops to make sure that there was a note in the ops log as to who had the medical notes for one particular fan. He was on very specialised medication and if he had been taken into hospital for any reason, it would have been essential for the hospital to have been informed of his medication. I seem to recall that one of our stewards was in a wheelchair. Disabled fans can contribute something positive to an event as much as any able-bodied person. If anyone would like to know more about electrical eggs, I think there's a link to their web site fom the Redemption web page. (or if you can't find the link and want to know, ask me and I'll go away and find it.) > When a club does get trouble, no-one has sympathy for what they > percieve as being a bunch of weirdoes anyway. Talking of dressing up, > I'm just as likely to do that on a day to day basis. But conversely, the support network *within* a fandom can be very strong. My husband's had about a dozen e-mails from fan friends since he dislocated his kneecap, and he doesn't even like Blake's 7. (They're his friends as much as mine - he comes to some conventions with me and is just as eccentric as I am.) There's an enormous amount of trust within a fan community. Sometimes people get let down, but on the whole, new fans and old blend into a community. Like any group, it will have its cliques, its differing preferences, its varying points of view, but I've always found the whole to be greater than the sum of its parts. I guess I just like people. I like arguing with Neil, propping up bars with Gareth, talking about differing cultures when I meet overseas fans, filking late into the night, laughing over bad jokes, swopping erotica, working with writers and artists and welcoming 'new souls for the faith' into my favourite hobby. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Fanzines for Blake's 7 and many other fandoms, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:31:15 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Space City Subject: [B7L] con reports Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII There are now two more con reports (from Londo and Vir) on the web page, plus the score-board for the cricket match. The con reports are a real hoot. Read and enjoy! Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Fanzines for Blake's 7 and many other fandoms, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:51:42 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Rookie fans Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 23 Mar, VJC wrote: > Steve wrote in response to Vick's letter on Rookie Fans. > > Good. I want to see more new blood having a bash at writing fanzines and > > running conventions and websites. Take Xena fandom, for example. The > > first symposium last year was run by a group of enthusiastic fans who > > had never done it before and it just oozed fun and let's have a go. > > Other new Xena fans are running the By The Gods nights at Pages, and > > they are excellent evenings and a welcome addition to fandom. As to > > actors, they are probably tired about answering the same questions, but > > they know it goes with the job and they know the person asking hasn't > > heard the answer before, which means this is a new fan and there's > > nothing an actor likes more than a new fan. > > I only hope that this is true. I could well be running my first > convention (B7, Red Dwarf, Doctor Who) in september, and I hardly > feel qualified to take it on, even though I've had offers of help, > and I've got a lovely venue. Xena though, is not in this case a good > example as it's a new fandom. The fans can't be rookies, as it hasn't > been done before and done better. I'm getting really puzzled. You sound as though you're attacking yourself more than anyone else. You describe yourself as a fan relatively new to B7 and about to try running a con. Isn't this exactly what you were worrying about? Were you after confirmation of your fears, or reassurance? September's pretty close if you're planning a con now. It might not be impossible depending on how much of the work you've already done, but it's pushing it. Steve's cmparison with Xena fandom seems a fair one to me. Experience/no experience is a factor that is independent of fandom. If Steve and I were to try and run a convention in Star Wars (which as far as I'm aware, neither of us has any connection with) then we would still have experience of the organisational/publicity aspects of running that event. All that really changes is the guests (and we're not believers in a big guest list anyway) and where you do your publicity. All the rest is essentially the same. Mind you, we'd never consider doing a con in a fandom where we didn't know a large number of fans. Heck, we're seriously hesitating about doing another one in a fandom where we do know lots of fans! Free advice (if you want it). If you were planning a large event with guests who would cost significant money, then I'd put it off into the future unless your venue is incredibly cheap. Just the lag time on magazine and fan club adverts is almost enough to kill you on its own. If you're planning a small event and you know that you can afford to cover the costs if it goes belly-up, then give it a try. Remember the bottom line is this - how much can you afford to lose? Judith PS. It can be done - Redemption was the first convention I'd run, but we had a MUCH longer lead time than you and although we did well for the charities in the end, it was touch and go financially for a very long time. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Fanzines for Blake's 7 and many other fandoms, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:38:00 PST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] More filking Message-ID: <19990323223804.9554.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain My apologies to any real fans of XTC on this list, but I love this song and couldn't resist it, and finally managed to finish it after having to put it away to "simmer" for a while. Belief in it does depend on whether or not you can that feel Travis and Servalan were "involved", and that Travis became so misanthropic he was willing to destroy everything when he made the deal with the Andromedans. I'm not sure I do, but it sounds like a good story nonetheless (and I'm not going to get in the way of a good story!). Maybe next time will be the one when I use a more familiar tune! Dear Madam President (tune: Dear Madam Barnum, XTC) I warm up the armgun And aim it at the crew Andromedans are here now I think the laugh's on you So send out your warfleet To die for you instead For dear Madam President This time Blake is dead Of all the plans made by you None included me For all of your ambition I've beaten you to the top of the tree Played all your games now And added up the score But you wrote the rules, dear And kept me on the floor When you're alone there Remember all I've said For dear Madam President This time Blake is dead That's all that's left now Since I can't have you These aliens will help me Who will now help you? Systems are failing And causing further flaws They cannot be stopped now And Man will be no more When you're alone there Remember all I've said For dear Madam President This time Blake is dead Regards Joanne (who shouldn't have been listening to the latest album while finishing the composition to a tune from the previous one - it didn't help) Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:26:35 EST From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] test:please ignore Message-ID: <8b54805b.36f84d5b@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My e-mail has gone silent and I'm trying to figure out if it's just quiet or if A-Oh-Hell has gone haywire again. Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:26:43 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin) Message-ID: <36F85B73.616F89A8@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Mistral wrote: > > > > > > > > >Oooooohh! See, Neil, you =can= play the game when you try! > > > Mistral, have you been hanging about with that Tramilla character? next you'll be *bouncing* ':-o dour puss ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:42:18 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Paul Darrow Message-ID: <36F85F1A.1CDEB22A@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith Proctor wrote: > > I have just been reading an old Horizon newsletter, and saw that Paul Darrow > > states that it is not his real name. Does anybody know what he really is > > called? > > Yes. aauuuuggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! curious cat --er, pat ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:18:22 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Rookie Fans Message-ID: <36F8678E.574AEC10@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VJC wrote: > I'm meant to be working and > all I do is answer blasted e-mails!! Meant, as in: (Darth Vader intones) "It is your destiny." Luke Skywalker: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! see? Just say no! Life is too short to "be working" Don't worry. Be happy. > > You should try bouncing. Life does not always have to > > be serious! > > > > Tried it. > a single bounce does not a kangaroo mouse make profound pat ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:36:31 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Spinoza and Avon Message-ID: <36F86BCF.6DBA17CF@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vick wrote: >... the Rationalist way of thinking is far too > concrete and pragmatic. Avon is an abstract thinker, the more > intellegent of the two persuasions. whoa! are you sure you meant to say this? more intelligent? (and me an abstractionist NT) But I would not say Blake is less intelligent than Avon *because* he operates on a concrete plane rather than wandering through castles in the air. Perhaps we assign super intellect to thinkers like A. Einstein or S. Hawkings (sp?) or K. Avon because it's more difficult to follow them through the cloudy realms of abstract. But I expect a rationalist (like Servalan) might do as well on an IQ test. nit-picking pat p ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:24:43 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Rookie fans Message-ID: <36F8690B.29583B5F@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reuben Herfindahl wrote: > Truthfully I'd take Jenna over 7 of 9. Jenna's a bit closer to > reality. > Besides, you could take Jenna out for dinner and drinks and have a great time yukking it up, and then afterwards, not worry about mussing up that big bouncy blonde mane of hers. Poor 7 of 9; she looks like she'd shatter at a touch: surely she is composed of super glue. Hey Superstub, a real man wants a woman he can interact with, not just oogle from a distance. Yeah! So says this dyed in the leather Avon fan, who would pass up a chatty dinner & drinks date with Vila to ogle The Snarly One. Do as I say, not as I do Pat ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:55:28 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin) Message-ID: <36F87E4F.40F781C8@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dour Puss wrote: > Mistral, have you been hanging about with that Tramilla character? > next you'll be *bouncing* ':-o At every opportunity! One need not give up fun in order to have a brain. And elsewhere Dour Puss wrote: > Yeah! So says this dyed in the leather Avon fan, who would pass up a > chatty dinner & drinks date with Vila to ogle The Snarly One. > Again I say, why not have both? One need not give up fun in order to have a brain! Bouncing through the halls of lysator with an open flask of adrenaline and soma, and an environmentally friendly canister of moo-repellent, Ohh Tramilllllllaaaaaaaaaa!!!! Mistral -- "Enjoy it, it's what you've waited for."--Servalan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:34:45 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: [B7L] Sand Message-ID: <36F87975.9F2C81AA@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mistral@ptinet.net wrote: > both of Tanith Lee's > scripts, although imaginative and quite enjoyable, are tonally > at variance with the rest of the show. Yes. Lee's scripts were true science fiction. The other B7 scripts are more like political science. Or Psych 101. Or land of the hairy barbarians. >I don't quite believe > Servalan collapsing into a weeping little girl in Sand, either. Not only going weepy, but going weepy over that wimpy excuse for a man! We know Servie likes the Jarvik type. Or at least the Travis I type. Or the cute Ray type. Or the pretty Jerriere type. Or the cultivated Carnell type. Or... oh, never mind. A lot about Sand bugs me. Tarrant rolling over and playing puppy for Servalan. He has too much common sense for that. Servalan letting him go. She has too much pride for that. But what *really* bugs me about Sand is that *Avon* didn't get to go down and do the deed with The Steel Queen! aaaauuuggghhhhh (fannish howl of frustration) prurient pat pa ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 01:22:16 EST From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] In Encouragement of Filk.. Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/19/99 2:17:55 PM Mountain Standard Time, kat@welkin.apana.org.au writes: > Upon Hearing A Friend's Desire To Never Write Filk Again... > ----------------------------------------------------------- > (you know who you are, you enjoyed it, I thought maybe the List would > like it too) > (with apologies to W. Shakespeare) You realize that I'll never be able to think of Hamlet with a straight face again... Nina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 01:22:12 EST From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] worst openings Message-ID: <18f0bd76.36f88494@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/20/99 5:01:38 PM Mountain Standard Time, mistral@ptinet.net writes: > He raised his rifle and smiled his most dangerous smile, > noting absently as he did so that the rifle had polymorphed > itself into his beloved teddy bear, Pooky... Perhaps that piece of paper he's so intent on in Spacefall is his only remaining picture of Pooky? Nina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 01:22:06 EST From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon & Cally Message-ID: <15048e8b.36f8848e@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/23/99 3:07:22 AM Mountain Standard Time, mistral@ptinet.net writes: > Nina wrote: > > > Mistral wrote: > > > > > I do think there's love between them, just not romantic love. > > > > At that point in time, I'd have to agree. But my romantic streak wants to > > believe that if Cally hadn't died it might have changed. I think Avon *was* > > coming to trust Cally more and more with time and shared experiences; > > eventually, I think he might have seen that he *could* trust and love her as > > he had Anna, with nearly no risk of betrayal. > > Nearly no risk? *Nearly* no risk? Ah, but she *did* betray him - she died and left him alone with a crew who were incapable of understanding him as she had. That it was inadvertent doesn't make it any less emotionally devastating. Realistically (if we can apply that term to TV characters), I agree with your assessment in the short term at least. They're both an emotional mess and with very opposing needs. OTOH, even if he wasn't *in love* with her, I do think she was emotionally important to him and was becoming more so as time went on. But I agree that Soolin, in particular, would have been a better match for him in general. (I've always found it interesting that Slave referred only to Soolin as *mistress*, much as he called only Avon *master*.) > "There's always an argument."--Avon And isn't it fun??? Nina (and her romanticist twin, Nina-Sue ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 01:22:14 EST From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Quotes IRL Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I like to use: "Everybody's entitled to one really bad mistake." "All that patience gets you is older." "Civilization has always depended on courtesy rather than truth." Nina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 01:22:08 EST From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: what's so funny? Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sally wrote: > And I still wish someone had put Avon and Jarriere together, if only for > a short time. Pateince is even less *his* strong point than it is > Servalan's. In a setting where Avon wouldn't be able to actually do Jarriere any harm, that would be a delightfully exquisite form of torture! Nina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:32:50 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] Sand Message-ID: <36F88711.F5EFF092@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat Patera wrote: > But what *really* bugs me about Sand is that *Avon* didn't get to go > down and do the deed with The Steel Queen! > aaaauuuggghhhhh (fannish howl of frustration) Now there's a nauseating thought. I think I'd rather be 'eviscerated with a very dull knife' than have to watch that. On the happy side, at least he'd have probably had the good sense to kill her afterward -- if Tarrant had thought to cause the rainstorm. When a lovely thing dies, sand gets in your eyes... Mistral -- Tarrant: "Servalan's not just some greedy gangster." Avon: "Surely that's exactly what she is." ('Gold') ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:44:45 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon & Cally Message-ID: <36F889DD.30CB406C@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nina wrote: > (I've always found it interesting that Slave > referred only to Soolin as *mistress*, much as he called only Avon *master*.) Ooh, I hadn't noticed this... I feel those series D urges coming on..... > > "There's always an argument."--Avon > > And isn't it fun??? > > Nina > (and her romanticist twin, Nina-Sue ) Yes! As long as it's civilized. Mistral -- "Civilization has always depended on courtesy, rather than truth."--Sarkoff ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 1999 09:31:58 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII mistral@ptinet.net writes: > Bouncing through the halls of lysator Be careful, the floor in the hallway is less than stable... -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se Maintainer of the Blake's 7 mailing list. Mail for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:46:06 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin) Message-ID: <36F8A64D.2BFB0CBB@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Calle Dybedahl wrote: > mistral@ptinet.net writes: > > > Bouncing through the halls of lysator > > Be careful, the floor in the hallway is less than stable... That's okay; so am I! Mistral -- "A degree of apprehension is not inappropriate."--Orac ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 01:07:08 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] worst openings Message-ID: <36F8AB3B.4FABA986@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blake and Avon walked gingerly through the rubble that had so recently been a building. The bodies of the rebels they had come to meet lay strewn about the wreckage like limp ragdolls; apparently they had been betrayed by some informant. Blake spied something gripped tightly in the hand of a dead girl; the girl herself was across the room a ways. He bent down to pry the object from her fingers. It was an ancient square of paper, blank and yellowed. "Avon, what do you make of this?" he asked, passing the paper to his companion, who turned it over and over in his deft fingers, examining it closely. "I'm not sure," replied Avon. "It's a bit small for a flying crane, but I'm fairly certain I could manage a goldfish." Mistral -- "And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 01:37:12 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Rookie Fans Message-ID: <19990324093712.17859.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Mistral wrote: You should try bouncing. Life does not always have to be serious! And Vick obliged: Tried it. Okay, I'm very obedient... Mutter, mutter, moan, bah humbug...where did that looney in black leave the projectile gun when he was finished with it... Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 01:45:59 -0800 From: Tramila To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Learning to bounce Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990324014559.007ed890@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Mistral wrote: You should try bouncing. Life does not always have to be >serious! Hugs >And Vick obliged: Tried it. SEE!!! It's fun!!!! >Okay, I'm very obedient... heh! :) > You're getting there. Keep on going! >Mutter, mutter, moan, bah humbug...where did that looney in black leave >the projectile gun when he was finished with it... What gun???? Tramila --------- Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptible Element Am I corruptible? Of course I am! and loving it!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 01:48:51 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: what's so funny? Message-ID: <19990324094851.9225.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain From Nina: Oh, and of course we all *hate* torturing the dear man, don't we? Mental torture being the best sort, as he stays pretty (well, his expression won't be, but...) Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:30:38 GMT0BST From: "VJC" To: B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Paul Darrow Message-ID: <4F3ED202969@OU20.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Tell us his name, Judith. Tell us or die. 'Idealism is a wonderful thing, all you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use.' Kerr Avon. (B7 ep 52 'Blake') ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:32:29 GMT0BST From: "VJC" To: B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] Rookie Fans Message-ID: <4F3F4E9501F@OU20.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT And Vick obliged: Tried it. Okay, I'm very obedient... Mutter, mutter, moan, bah humbug...where did that looney in black leave the projectile gun when he was finished with it... It's in the fridge under the aardvark. Besides, I'm a her. Vick. 'Idealism is a wonderful thing, all you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use.' Kerr Avon. (B7 ep 52 'Blake') ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:58:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently one can buy a Tigger toy that bounces when pressed. I'd like an Eeyore toy that, when pressed, does nothing. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:07:19 GMT0BST From: "VJC" To: B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] Spinoza and Avon Message-ID: <4F589F97326@OU20.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Vick wrote: >... the Rationalist way of thinking is far too > concrete and pragmatic. Avon is an abstract thinker, the more > intellegent of the two persuasions. Pat wrote: >whoa! are you sure you meant to say this? more intelligent? >(and me an abstractionist NT) But I would not say Blake is less >intelligent than Avon *because* he operates on a concrete plane >rather than wandering through castles in the air. This wasn't meant as a comparison to Blake. If you'd followed the Myers Briggs thread though, you'd realise that he was an abstract thinker as well, being of an NF idealist temperment, and therefore an intuative. If anyone wandered though castles in the air, it *was* Blake. Avon was much more grounded in reality. For an NT, I'm quite surprised you didn't realise this. Vick. ________________________________________________________ 'Idealism is a wonderful thing, all you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use.' Kerr Avon. (B7 ep 52 'Blake') ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:29:57 EST From: SupeStud00@aol.com To: pussnboots@geocities.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Rookie fans Message-ID: <685b0920.36f8dac5@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/24/99 0:31:20 AM EST, pussnboots@geocities.com writes: << Hey Superstub, a real man wants a woman he can interact with, not just oogle from a distance. >> And I would say any real man wouldn't have a problem interacting with 7 0f 9/Jeri Ryan. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:32:52 GMT0BST From: "VJC" To: B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon, Cally, and Tanith Lee (was Re: what's so funny, Message-ID: <4F5F6ED5D97@OU20.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT snip! I didn't like one think that Tanith Lee wrote, and personally speaking I think that the wander into pure 'Trek sci-Fi ruined everything B7 stood for. The politics and characterisation were much more interesting than spirits, living sand and bogymen. And that Ben Steed wasn't any better, he didn't just write B7 in the style of 'Trek, he wrote 'Trek and changed the names. Vick. Knawing this skirting board is making my gums bleed. 'Idealism is a wonderful thing, all you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use.' Kerr Avon. (B7 ep 52 'Blake') ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:36:36 EST From: AChevron@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon, Cally, and Tanith Lee (was Re: what's so funny, etc.) Message-ID: <4eb1609e.36f8dc54@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/23/99 6:17:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, mistral@ptinet.net writes: << In 'Children of Auron' and 'Rumors' both, we see a *lot* of antagonism between the two; and not the stereo- typical romance-novel-style sparring, either, but real hostility, particularly on Cally's part. >> I think a lot of Cally's hostility in these episodes are a direct offshoot of her feelings for Avon. To me, the best scene in Children is when she stomps off after claiming she wasn't staying because of "Him." The way she said it seems to put the lie to the words. Avon's expression was also priceless. And people make a lot of Avon's opposition to the crew's plans. Had his opposition been serious, he could and would have disputed the situation much more strongly than he did. He even took a rebuke from Tarrant without a comeback, a good indication that he had mixed feelings about the whole matter. And worse, he turned out to be right, and Cally's actions would have doomed the Liberator without Avon's precautions. All this would be on her mind as they leave a devestated Auron for Avon to go get his dubious vengence. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:28:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator Subject: Re [B7L]: Pressure Point Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Neil said: > Soliciting a bit of market research here... > > As many of you will know, I'm putting together a zine called Pressure Point. > So far I've got enough material for about two thirds of my intended size for > the zine (about 40 pages), and I notice that virtually everything is for > 1st/2nd Season. (The one exception is a Blake post-Star One, so Blake > appears in +AF8-every+AF8- story). > > My question is this: do I try and get some 3rd/4th season stuff to balance > things out+ADs- or do I concentrate on early series material and tout the zine > as such (ie+ADs- not for Tarrant/Dayna/Soolin buffs)+ADs- or do people really not > care so long as it's worth reading? Go for the early stuff. 2nd season crew is my favourite (apart from really early 1st season). Make it the selling point. > My eternal gratitude to all those who have contributed so far. But I still > need +AF8-more+AF8-, dammit... Well, the story I was planning to submit to you is a story about, umm, Blake... ;) Actually, it's pre-series, so it might complement the post-Star One nicely. Why not put them chronologically? Do you have a deadline for submissions? Una ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:56:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Rookie fans Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Neil said: >B7 was made before the VCR was a commonplace household item (I only >managed to tape the 4th season, and only then on its repeat - and on >Betamax, too (remember that?)). Oh yes. I only wish that my off-air copies of 3rd season repeats were on Betamax - then they might have a chance of surviving, if I played them back! There are some lovely bits on the tapes, including a Ceefax picture of Paul Darrow - I guess I could get this on the web if I get my hands on a digital camera. And there's the classic bit from one of the transmissions of 'Warlord' when an engineer clearly leaned on the wrong button, the sound went off, and you hear him going, 'What? What? Bugger...' I can't believe that these tapes are coming up for 20 years old... 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