From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #69 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/69 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 69 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Orbit [B7L] hamming it up Re: [B7L] Re: b7spin: Space Opera [B7L] worst first lines RE: [B7L] worst first lines Re: [B7L] Avon/Blackadder [B7L] Cancer and Story first line... Re: [B7L] Groupie names Re: [B7L] Avon/Blackadder Re: [B7L] Re: b7spin: Space Opera Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Re: [B7L] Trying for converts [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Re: [B7L] Avon/Blackadder Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Re: [B7L] Precious moments Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Re: [B7L] Re: B7 and Meyers-Brigs Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic [B7L] re:OT Jingo (was re: Cally & Jenna) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:17:30 -0500 (EST) From: adering@ziplink.net (Alex Dering) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As to the whole "pushing a piece of a neutron star across the floor" debate: Any super-dense material such as that which would be found on the surface of a collapsed star, once removed from that gravity field, would expand. The old standard goes something like two tablespoons of dwarf star matter weighs as much as the Rocky Mountains. So, a microscopic speck would still be at least a boulder. No way "high-tensile plastic" is going to keep that from expanding in an earth-like gravity field. Perhaps Egrorian simply took an ordinary block of plastic (say about a kilometer on a side) synthesized from the Malodarian biosphere, and applying controlled molecular reduction (which we saw demonstrated by ORAC when Avon and Vila when down to The Big Wheel to break the bank) took an ordinary object weighing perhaps 250 pounds, and reduced it to the size of a small toaster. If ORAC could reduce his size, without impairing his function, to one-eighth his usual size, for slightly over two hours, who knows how long something that just has to sit there, like a block of plastic, even reduced say to one-thousandth its pre-shrink size, could survive like that. After the ship crashed, it wouldn't really matter. As to why Egrorian would do this, well, neutron star material isn't just lying around (except on neutron stars) so he obviously doesn't want to squander whatever supply he has. Of course he wants to appear brilliant and buckle his swash in front of Servalan (his steel queen, his empress) so perhaps he tells her there's a speck of neutron star material, instead of saying he's finally figured out a way to get rid of all the plastics in the dumps ("Not entirely remove it, my adamantium monarch, but shrink it all into something the size of a door stop.") As to why Avon would believe it was neutron star material, well, he's not a physicist, is he? His specialty is computers. And none of the others really has any physics training, now do they? Of course, I do wonder why they didn't bring teleport bracelets into the shuttle, if Avon was willing to smuggle a gun into the shuttle. Perhaps he was afraid of anyone getting hold of the bracelet (different design than Liberator's, so perhaps simpler to grasp, and therefore, posible for the Federation to finally figure out the secret of Teleportation.) Hmmmm..... Alex ---------------------------------------- "What if life actually was fair, and we somehow deserved all the truly awful things that happened to us?" -- Marcus Cole, Babylon 5 ---------------------------------------- website: http://www.ziplink.net/~adering ---------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:49:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] hamming it up Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat 28 Feb, Pat Patera wrote: > Oh! You mean Cancer! > Is Cancer a girl? Or perhaps the android of Vinnie's dreams? > What a splendid villian! A thing of venom and wiles; vile. When > gloating, a voice to cut glass. Was her demise not the most satisfying > moment of your day? I can watch her die time and again, ROFL. That final > shriek is a moment to make a Diva green. Give Cancer the prize for > overacting. Surely she beats out even the Goddess of Understatement, > Soolin - for her shining death scene - overacted to the max - as shot, > she slowly falls, twisting downward, twirling, twirling, twirling... > > :D Who else has favorite "ham it up" moments? Paul Darrow - 'Have you betrayed me?' Jackie Pearce - 'Maximum power!' Cancer probably beats them both though. Worst job of casting in the entire series. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:40:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: b7spin: Space Opera Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat 28 Feb, Pat Patera wrote: > Jenni-Alison wrote: > > > > I'm hoping that some of you Sci-Fi fans can enlighten me. I've seen > > various Science Fiction stories and TV shows described as Space > > Opera. > and all these years, I'd thought the term unique to B7 fandom. > > Now I took it as a derogatory term meaning sort of Soaps in > > Space. > I always interpreted it as "Drama in Space" (as opposed to "hardware > wars" scifi) > > > ...and that too is described on the back cover by a reviewer as Space Opera. > See? Got a good thing, and every sleazy paperback rips it off. > > > So my question is, what is Space Opera, is it a good or a bad thing > > to be described as such, and is there more than one type? > great question. I look forward to reading the consensus. > Pat p Space opera is SF set on the big stage. If it has intergalactic empires, massive battle fleets, larger than life heroes, etc., then it is Space opera. EE Doc Smith wrote space opera. Star Wars is space opera. Blake's 7 is marginal. There are times when it is a fraction too down to Earth to qualify, but episodes like 'Star One' are space opera (or would be if the alien fleet didn't look so much like my cutlry drawer) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:45:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] worst first lines Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri 27 Feb, sjk3@cornell.edu wrote: > Does anyone remember the time a while ago when we had a "contest" > for worst first line/story premise (whatever) and some of the winners > involved a misty-eyed Avon surveying his friends in a field of gamboling > unicorns and bunnies, or Servalan with a box of puppies? :-) The best entires were published in 'The Way Back'. I've still got some copies available, although I'm down to about 20 now. See my web page for details. However, let's see if we can generate some new ones: "No, no," Jenna said to Cally. "That eyeshadow doesn't compliment you at all." Servalan rolled over in her bed. The power of a real man was something incredible, something to which she could never fail to respond. "You're the best of them all," she whispered huskily, "Jarriere." "'Scuse me," Blake said to Tarrant, "you can't be in this story. *I'm* the curly-haired rebel." Avon skipped lightly down the hillside, little butterflies fluttering round his head. It was a lovely, sunny day and his friend Blake was coming round for tea. "Anyone for a game of strip poker?" asked Zen. Orac bounced onto the flight deck. "Time for bed," he announced. (You have to enjoy the Magic Roundabout to get that one) "I've got this great idea," Vila said. "Let's all retire to a pleasure planet." "Yes," said Blake. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:43:06 +-100 From: Hanneke To: "'lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] worst first lines Message-ID: <01BD4492.00084D60@rotterdam-076.std.pop.tip.nl> Judith said: >However, let's see if we can generate some new ones: ROFL! Loved them all, but these are my absolute favourites: >Avon skipped lightly down the hillside, little butterflies fluttering round his >head. It was a lovely, sunny day and his friend Blake was coming round >for tea. > "I've got this great idea," Vila said. "Let's all retire to a pleasure planet." >"Yes," said Blake. Thanks, Judith. Hanneke ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:11:54 -0000 From: "Heather Smith" To: "Blake's 7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon/Blackadder Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen Wrote: > Tarrant = Lord Flashheart, without a doubt! Ace pilot, animalistic sex > drive, all courage. And bloody annoying! Heather. 'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish' -The fourth Doctor (Okay legs, _now_ would be a good time to start moving really quite quickly....) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:44:15 -0500 (EST) From: adering@ziplink.net (Alex Dering) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Cancer and Story first line... Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As to Cancer. Well, the woman who played her certainly had her down pat as the sweet little goody twoshoes. But she just wasn't cut out to play her as sinister. Every time I see it I think of Cindy Brady gone rogue. As to story first lines... Avon strode up to the door and tried the knob. It was locked. He yanked out his gun, did a back flip for no apparent reason, and blew the door into so much space kindling. Striding through the smoldering frame, he quickly reached the back of the house. There she was! Servalan! "Avon!" she gasped, incredulous. "Yes, Servalan. The check you wrote bounced for those girl scout cookies I sold you. And by the way, I love what you've done with your kitchen." ---------------------------------------- "Wasn't he great, wearin' his important uniform an' making his big speech? Just cryin' out for his place in history... People like that're dangerous, Proinsias: They get you killed. -- Billy Cassidy, to his younger brother, Proinsias, on their way out of Dublin, 27 April 1916. Issue #25 of Preacher. -- ---------------------------------------- website: http://www.ziplink.net/~adering ---------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:51:17 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Groupie names Message-ID: <34F7B3E5.54E3@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen Krummenacker wrote: > More "club names" ideas came to mind today. > For Soolin: "Soolin's Lovably Unique Team" S.L.U.T. (my husband's idea, > actually) The Goddess zaps hubby with laserfire. If you *must* have a club name for Soolin, try I.C.E. I Coldly Exterminate Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:44:22 -0600 From: "Lorna B." To: "Blake's 7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon/Blackadder Message-Id: <199803010146.TAA23518@pemberton.magnolia.net> >Helen Wrote: > >> Tarrant = Lord Flashheart, without a doubt! Ace pilot, animalistic sex >> drive, all courage. Heather wrote: >And bloody annoying! Gee, when I used to read one of the british tv newsgroups, appearances by Lord Flashheart were always greeted with great delight by the Blackadder fans. Funny how people's perceptions differ, isn't it. Lorna B. "You ever flown a flying saucer? After that, sex seems trite." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:38:19 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: pussnboots@geocities.com CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: b7spin: Space Opera Message-ID: <34F82F6C.64D2@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Space opera" is not derived from soap opera but _horse_ opera, a term sometimes used for Westerns. Damned if I think there's any real sense behind the term. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:51:13 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: pussnboots@geocities.com CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Message-ID: <34F82E3A.5691@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > but there's a serious weakness of other women in the stories. Not only > > are there fewer of them, but the roles are more restricted and less > > complex (most are evil and shortly dead, most are sexualized). > > > In all fairness, most of the men are sexualized, too. For males, this is > portrayed a hunkliness. Actually, many of the females are de-sexualized. The Mutoids have no emotions, therefore no love-lives. Besides Servalan, most Earth women seem to dress pretty much like the men, and very little makeup, too. Across the rest of the galaxy, there is Ultraworld; the natives there seem asexual. In the Federation colonies, where the Federation's grip is weaker, the women seem more expressive of femininity; it is almost as though sexuality=freedom in B7. A bit like 1984. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:25:27 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: reuben@reuben.net CC: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Trying for converts Message-ID: <34F84887.6FF6@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reuben Herfindahl wrote: > > I have a confession to make. Like many people when I drink too much I > do silly things. My latest bout is only mildly regrettable, but quite > sad or silly depending on how you look at it. I guess I've done it > about twice now. I'll get in a conversation about TV and how what's on > today really stinks and how it's not worth watching, and then I'll start > talking about this really amazing TV show that is gritty reality like > nothing on TV today, then I will invariably drag out the tape and submit > the poor party goers to The Way Back or the final moments of Blake, > explaining the signifigance of it all as we go along. All this at 2 or > 3 in the morning. > > IS this another one of those YKYBWTMB7W? Or is it just a sign that I'm > losing it. > > Reuben > reuben@reuben.net > http://www.reuben.net It's a sign you have better taste than network executives. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:02:59 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Message-ID: <199802282303_MC2-3515-B193@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Patti McClellan said: >Actually, though, Avon acts as if he's monopolar clinically depressed. Some sort of depressive I will buy. Harriet PS Tried to do the Myers/Briggs test again. Computer crashed again. Think I'll just have to live in blissful ignorance, or wait for Alison to tell me what I am. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:02:17 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: "Lorna B." CC: "Blake's 7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon/Blackadder Message-ID: <34F907F9.1050@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lorna B. wrote: > > >Helen Wrote: > > > >> Tarrant = Lord Flashheart, without a doubt! Ace pilot, animalistic sex > >> drive, all courage. > > Heather wrote: > >And bloody annoying! > > Gee, when I used to read one of the british tv newsgroups, appearances by > Lord Flashheart were always greeted with great delight by the Blackadder > fans. > > Funny how people's perceptions differ, isn't it. > > Lorna B. > "You ever flown a flying saucer? After that, sex seems trite." Yes, but Flashheart was interesting because of his annoying-ness. You wanted to strangle the bugger, but he made the show so lively! Because Blackadder wanted to strangle him, too. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:08:19 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> CC: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Message-ID: <34F90964.570E@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > > Patti McClellan said: > >Actually, though, Avon acts as if he's monopolar clinically depressed. > > Some sort of depressive I will buy. > > Harriet > > PS Tried to do the Myers/Briggs test again. Computer crashed again. > Think I'll just have to live in blissful ignorance, or wait for Alison to > tell me what I am. I will tell you what you are: cursed by ORAC to live in ignorance of your Meyers/Briggs type! He will crash your computer any time you try. Do _not_ continue to incur his wrath. ;) Avona, founder of Orac's Representatives Greatly Advocating Superior Minds. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 04:19:25 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Precious moments Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 Susan.Moore@uni.edu wrote: > "Sparky's Last Romp" which showed the results of teasing a bull once too often. Ah, yes. And wasn't there one about playing with matches, and disconnecting the life support...I should pull out the tapes. Being drugged to the gills with cold medicine should make the viewing even more surreal. 8-) > Yes, I miss Clayton and TV's Frank as well. And the invention exchange and > there seem to be fewer songs. But at least MST3K is still going. "When I Held Your Brain in My Arms" was about the only noteworthy song of the last season...I don't know if I liked it more or less than Clayton's tribute to Frank, "Who Will I Kill'...You know, Dr. Forrester would've made a fine Federation scientist. I can see him inventing a weapon as silly as Imipak. 8-) And Pearl and Servalan could have some great times swapping torture tips. Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html "They've really captured the majesty of white guys moving in herds." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 04:34:52 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Pat Patera wrote: > > but there's a serious weakness of other women in the stories. Not only > > are there fewer of them, but the roles are more restricted and less > > complex (most are evil and shortly dead, most are sexualized). > > > In all fairness, most of the men are sexualized, too. For males, this is > portrayed a hunkliness. > Hunksters: Jarvik, Travis I, er... and all Studs in Black Leather. Plus I don't think Klegg and the death squad are hunks..but in any case that's not what I meant by sexualized. I'm not sure if I can explain this clearly (Actifed, breakfast of champions, should kick in any minute now), but what I mean is that in the last two seasons, it seems to me that the few women who appear have roles that more defined by their sexual status as women. Vena (?), for example, has no existence of her own, she's just "Mueller's lady." The Cally alien, Cancer, some of the others, play off their "feminine wiles" in a way characters like Avalon, Kasabi, and earlier guest women don't, although their being women is used in other ways (would a male rebel be naked like Avalon?). But more of the 1st/2nd season guest women (I can't think what else to call them) are in roles that could pretty easily be played by men but happen to be played by women. Ralli was originally a male character (which makes me wonder what Grant would've said to him), Fen and Kasabi and Avalon and Morag and Tyce and so on could've been male with little adjustment to the roles. Cancer, Vena, Zeeona, Bar and Zee, the Cally alien, Sula/Anna, and so on had to be played by women because sex was integral to their role in the plot (and the het-ness of the heroes must be maintained on the air). > all hairy barbarians (none of whom compare to Ares, the God of War in > Xena, Warrior Princess. What a studmuffin *sigh* Ares is hot. Or maybe that's just the fever from the flu.I wonder if it's OK to mix Nyquil with Actifed... Going toward the light, Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:52:49 +1100 From: Ross Mallett To: blake7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Helen Krummenacker wrote: >Because the Blake's 7 universe depicts a pretty sexist future? The men >in good jobs severely outnumber the women. The gals on the ships never >seem to question that the men are the leaders. A lot of scifi shows in the 1970s took inspiration from the Women's Movement that for some reason really took off in the early 1970s, just as other 1960s mass movements were dying down. Haven't grown up with Star Trek and Dr Who eps where wimmin mainly served to bring the Brigadier cups of tea, Blake's 7 seemed much more progressive. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem so good in hindsight. Even more unfortunately, the lead of the 1970s shows was not carried on into the 1980s and 1990s. As has been mentioned on this list, the 1970s was a false dawn, and things promptly got dark again. At 4:34 AM -0500 1/3/98, Sue Clerc wrote: >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Pat Patera wrote: > >> > but there's a serious weakness of other women in the stories. Not only >> > are there fewer of them, but the roles are more restricted and less >> > complex (most are evil and shortly dead, most are sexualized). >> > >> In all fairness, most of the men are sexualized, too. For males, this is >> portrayed a hunkliness. >> Hunksters: Jarvik, Travis I, er... and all Studs in Black Leather. Plus > > I don't think Klegg and the death squad are hunks..but in any >case that's not what I meant by sexualized. I'm not sure if I can explain >this clearly (Actifed, breakfast of champions, should kick in any minute >now), but what I mean is that in the last two seasons, it seems to me that >the few women who appear have roles that more defined by their sexual >status as women. Vena (?), for example, has no existence of her own, she's >just "Mueller's lady." The Cally alien, Cancer, some of the others, play >off their "feminine wiles" in a way characters like Avalon, Kasabi, and >earlier guest women don't, although their being women is used in other >ways (would a male rebel be naked like Avalon?). Um, yeah, probably. Actually, there's some wonderfully ambiguous male characters: our puppeteer Carnell; Dorian; and of course, Jarriere, Servalan's toy boy in "Gambit", who isn't smart or good looking or any of those kind of things and actually gets you wondering about male stereotypes... >But more of the 1st/2nd >season guest women (I can't think what else to call them) are in roles >that could pretty easily be played by men but happen to be played by >women. Ralli was originally a male character (which makes me wonder what >Grant would've said to him), Fen and Kasabi and Avalon and Morag and >Tyce and so on could've been male with little adjustment to the roles. >Cancer, Vena, Zeeona, Bar and Zee, the Cally alien, Sula/Anna, and so >on had to be played by women because sex was integral to their role in >the plot (and the het-ness of the heroes must be maintained on the air). Well actually, I disent on Zee and Bar, I reckon it would have worked, although minus a sexual element. Similarly, we could work Zeeona by substituting Dayna for Tarrant. While what you say is true about Anna, what I consider significant is that she leads the rebels, not her husband. I saw the whole episode as an epic power struggle between two strong wimmin, with Avon and the rest of our heroes very much on the sidelines. In the fourth series, what about Doctor Plaxton? Nobody's mentioned what I consider the lowest point of the series, btw, coincidentally in the first series: the reaction of the guys from XK-72 to Jenna and Cally in "Breakdown". > > all hairy barbarians (none of whom compare to Ares, the > > God of War in Xena, Warrior Princess. What a studmuffin *sigh* > > Ares is hot. > Did I hear someone mention our unk-fest War God who looks just like Kevin Smith? (Ooops! Wrong list!!!) (Off to the cold shower for me...) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:58:40 EST From: ShilLance To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Message-ID: <520ba7bb.34f96992@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-03-01 05:55:34 EST, you write: << Haven't grown up with Star Trek and Dr Who eps where wimmin mainly served to bring the Brigadier cups of tea, Blake's 7 seemed much more progressive. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem so good in hindsight. Even more unfortunately, the lead of the 1970s shows was not carried on into the 1980s and 1990s. As has been mentioned on this list, the 1970s was a false dawn, and things promptly got dark again. >> Apparently you haven't seen much of Voyager or DS9. Both feature women in great roles. TNG and TOS (original Trek) didn't fo well in this area. Gwynn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 08:15:29 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: NWOutsider CC: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Message-ID: <34F989A1.BF@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > all hairy barbarians (none of whom compare to Ares, the > God of War in > Xena, Warrior Princess. What a studmuffin *sigh* > > Ares is hot. I am now wondering if a crossover fanfic would be a good thing or a bad thing. Xena teamed with Avon> "What do you mean, a man is always stronger? Benchpress Argo, then." Servalan and Ares, "Was the battle of Star One as good for you as it was for me?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 08:32:01 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: ShilLance CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Message-ID: <34F98D81.6180@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ShilLance wrote: > > In a message dated 98-03-01 05:55:34 EST, you write: > > << Haven't grown up with Star Trek and Dr Who eps where wimmin mainly served > to bring the Brigadier cups of tea, Blake's 7 seemed much more progressive. > Unfortunately, it doesn't seem so good in hindsight. Even more > unfortunately, the lead of the 1970s shows was not carried on into the > 1980s and 1990s. As has been mentioned on this list, the 1970s was a false > dawn, and things promptly got dark again. >> > > Apparently you haven't seen much of Voyager or DS9. Both feature women in > great roles. TNG and TOS (original Trek) didn't fo well in this area. > > Gwynn Actually, I prefer the women of B5. Susan Ivanova is God, after all (from the Babylon 5 mantra). Delenn looks delicate, but those Minbari are stronger than human and behind her soft spokenness, we have seen a will of iron. And Leeta... gotta love a telepath who puts her hands on a guy and fells him just by saying "Pain!" Not to mention the icy-looking but tres hot leader of the Mars resistance. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:53:06 -0000 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: B7 and Meyers-Brigs Message-ID: <888771581.0111572.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathryn said - > Alison was talking about *me*! Please, I'm *Kathryn*, not Katharine! > Um, thanks for your appreciation, despite getting my name wrong. Shoot, and I tried really hard to get that right. I actually looked back to check the spelling and I must have checked the wrong message. I hate it when people get my name wrong, so genuine apologies. Must try harder. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:47:57 -0000 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Message-ID: <888774630.0121842.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet said - > PS Tried to do the Myers/Briggs test again. Computer crashed again. > Think I'll just have to live in blissful ignorance, or wait for Alison to > tell me what I am. ENTJ like Servalan. This may or may not be what you wanted to hear. Alison PS 'brevis esse laboro, obscurus fio' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 18:28:15 +0000 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] re:OT Jingo (was re: Cally & Jenna) Message-ID: <34F9A8BF.5D9B@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NWOutsider wrote: > > > > And every time someone (male) referred to a (patently adult!) woman as a > > "girl", I cringe. Even Dayna's "the girl who killed Bayban" grates, and > > she's talking about herself. Are all the Mutoids women? > > There's at least one male one in "Project Avalon" but that's it. > Well...one of them in "Hostage" is a bit ambiguous. Isn`t there a male Mutoid in Duel, the one that was NOT chosen to represent "death of a friend" for Travis? Bye for now Jackie -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #69 *************************************