From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #63 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/63 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 63 Today's Topics: [B7L] Re: Avon vs. Blake (and Tarrant) [B7L] MBTI/Cally and Jenna/Song for Avon [B7L] UK Gold March Re: [B7L]: YKYHBWTMB7W Re: [B7L] Con weapon rules (was re: Deliverence) Re: [B7L] re: Deliverence Re: [B7L] Re: Safety Re: [B7L] Re: Vila & Myers-Briggs Re: [B7L] Space Island One Re: [B7L] YKYBWTMB7W Re: [B7L] Second-best computer man (was Avon and Vila) Re: [B7L] Avon vs. Blake Re: [B7L] YKYHBWTMB7W Re: [B7L] re: safety Re: [B7L] Blake's 7 fans (MBTI) [B7L] Re: Alphas [B7L] RE: YKYBWTMB&W Re: [B7L] YKYBWTMB7W Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Re: [B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs Testing [B7L] Re: Cally and Jenna and Imipak Re: [B7L] re: safety Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Re: [B7L] Seek-Locate-Destroy 2/2 Re: [B7L] Seek-Locate-Destroy 1/2 Re: [B7L] Re: Temperment Re: [B7L] Space Island One [B7L] Deliverance-weapons Re: [B7L] A *real* personality test. [B7L] Re: Safety Re: [B7L] Re: Safety [B7L] Sarkoff & Tyce [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test [B7L]Cally Re: [B7L] re: safety Re: [B7L] Re: Safety Re: [B7L] Re: Avon vs. Blake (and Tarrant) Re: [B7L] re: safety Re: [B7L] Re: Avon vs. Blake (and Tarrant) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:06:46 +0000 From: Katharine Woods To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Avon vs. Blake (and Tarrant) Message-ID: <34F35286.D7C3BD7@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit brent@ntr.net wrote: > the scar on his face is > evidence of at least one close call Not so, he might have been skipping through the forests (I nearly put woods and decided that might be misconstrued), tripped over some poorly concelaed power cells, and cut himself on the sharp edge of a even more poorly concealed super-computer, or possibly the jagged edge of a crumpled soma can. This of course requires you to buy into the Blake as klutz school of thought. Jackie wrote: > Like their > hero, all Avon fans shoot their targets in the chest!) Does that mean that the Tarrant Nostra stab you in the back? Having just rewatched Powerplay and trying to divorce myself from the point of view of an A.S.S, all can say is Tarrant, what a guy! Ranks right up there with Ace Rimmer. I can't believe I ever labelled him as a nice boy next door. He's smart, he's walking a tightrope between Avon and Klegg's death squad while keeping up his masquerade as a Fed officer, and calmly arranging several cold-blooded murders. And he keeps his teeth and his curls trimmed (unlike Cally) even after coming off a battlefield. I still think I'd rather be in Blake's crew (klutz or not). Katharine (Woods) kjw@whitecrow.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:14:08 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: [B7L] MBTI/Cally and Jenna/Song for Avon Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Katharine: [deletia] >I do like Cally but I usually prefer Jenna (maybe it's a personal >reaction - my own blonde, big hair stage suited me much better than my >limp perm stage - I wonder how Cally would look with a Servalan style >cut? I often feel that Jenna was underdeveloped by the writers, an idea reinforced when I read "The Inside Story" and Sally Knyvette's reasons for leaving the show. Some of my favourite eps are those where she actually gets some depths (Bounty springs to mind, and Shadow). I like Cally as well, I like her slightly fantastic powers and her tendency to question Avon when the others are following blindly. As to the haircut: fabulous, she's got good strong features, like Jackie Pearce's. I know of a few other women with that style, with prominent cheekbones and large eyes - they look great! I'm particularly thinking of Anita McNaught - she used to be a newsreader/broadcaster here, until she recently returned to her native Britain - is she on screen there now? Another is an actress on Shortland St (our soapie export). > Her hair in Gambit is great though. Of course when you're stuck in >a quarry, fighting Fed troops, hunting down a good hairdresser is >probably not number one on your priority list). *chuckle* [snippage] > I also >wonder what they were talking about in Shadow when they're sitting >together on the circular sofa and Avon comes in demanding to know where >Blake is. This remark reminds me of an old post of yours from last year that I have stashed away somewhere, illustrating the ladies' struggle for "clothes power" with variations on the canonical dialogue. Shall I dig it out? :) ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:23:57 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se CC: space-city@world.std.com Subject: [B7L] UK Gold March Message-Id: <298323340MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Somobody asked (I can't remember who) on one of the lists (I can't remember which) about UK Gold's plans for the next month of Sundays. According to Cult Times, this is the March lineup: 1 March: No episode 8 March: D1 Rescue 15 March: D2 Power 22 March: D3 Traitor 29 March: D4 Stardrive Note the 15 March one is at 10.05am and the other three at 10.10am. cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "The workers united will never be ignited" Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:22:35 -0800 From: Tramila To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L]: YKYHBWTMB7W Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980224152235.00c2e4a8@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >YKYBWTMB7W: >You turn pale, and run and hide in a cupboard when told at weight >watchers that "you weigh 73 kilos". I have tears!!! No gosh! This one was great! Tramila Chapter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:56:03 -0000 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Con weapon rules (was re: Deliverence) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julia Jones asked: > That's the second time this week I've seen Dr Who referred to as a > Terry Nation show. Where have people been getting this notion from? It was on the telly when we were kids, therefore Mr. Nation must have invented it. That Tiswas was all his fault, you know. And the testcard. Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:23:58 -0000 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Deliverence Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathryn Anderson wrote: > It's quite a common rule, and becoming more common. Or maybe it's > just more common in U.S. conventions. I think it's more common at > really big conventions, where they are more afraid of things going > wrong, or more afraid of jumpy people getting upset at people walking > around with weapons. Weapon? What weapon? This is my portable Space Curling Tong. Come on - nobody could possibly mistake a Liberator gun for a real one. Well, OK some people could, but they're the people that call the FBI and demand to speak to Agents Mouldy and Scrubber when they see a black guy wearing a rubber Cornish pasty on his head. I'm amazed that this mad habit has reached the UK. Bladed weapons I can understand, because they're inherently dangerous, but a fake Proton Blaster? We don't normally carry firearms (because we're not allowed to), so people tend to look a little closer and not jump to conclusions (and pull out their own popgun and start blatting). Actually, I reckon you could quite happily wander round carrying something futuristic-looking like a Steyr AUG fully-loaded and no-one would stop you for ages - people are so unused to weapons over here. > It *is* depressing - I bought my Liberator handgun ages ago, and I > still haven't worn it to a single convention! At least teleport > bracelets aren't weapons. I considered it very ironic that there I > was at a US convention (probably Worldcon) drooling over the swords in > the dealers room, and realized it was pointless buying one, because I > would never be able to wear it. However, I got a brilliant idea - I'm > going to use the Gandalf defence this time around - a staff isn't a > weapon! Surely you're allowed to wear a scabbard with attached hilt? OK, if anyone asks you to draw it, you'll look a little silly, but it's better than nothing. Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:59:08 -0000 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Safety Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alison wrote: > Tom's post on Orbit was extremely timely as I was just going to ask if > anyone could answer all the questions which he promptly answered. You > know how it is, you are supposed to be going off to sleep, when suddenly > you have the urge to ask Orac about re-entry corridors and the density of > methane atmosphere. Actually, that's something I forgot to clarify. We can't tell how dense the atmosphere was just from its composition, because the density varies with both temperature and pressure (i.e. gravitational attraction, i.e. how big the planet is), so knowing its composition is very little use at all, except to note that the gravity can't be too high because the amount of lighter gases (hydrogen, helium, etc) was negligeable. But we already knew gravity was going to be a problem for Avon and Vila. Now, you did care about that factlet, didn't you? Ah go on ya did. Ah ya did. Ah ya did. Ya did ya did YA DID! Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:58:02 -0000 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Vila & Myers-Briggs Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Fuller wrote: > You can pretty much tell an > SP from their e-mails. They hate writing a lot because it's not thrilling > enough for them. They are the ones who coin phrases such as FAQ, BRB, > FYI, etc. They do it to cut down on the time it takes them to write a > sentence. They want it fast and easy, which is why they are often no fun > to write back and forth with on the Internet. So, this is why NTs are > more common in areas where a lot of writing is required, such as digests > and lists. I'm not so sure. I like a good waffle as much as anyone, but my fingers just wear out - I can think and speak a lot faster than I can type, and I view this sort of thing as more talking than letter-writing. IMHO, IYSWIM and stuff like that are basically shorthand for facial expressions and vocal inflexions that don't survive beign written down unless you waffle for ages. Whereas if everyone knows what the acronyms mean, you don't actually voice the words out loud, you just get in your mind that the writer is, respectively, not speaking gospel but just an opinion, and knows they are waffling and not very clear, but hopes you'll understand. Life is far too short to spend all that time writing structured essays to people when all you want to do is throw an idea into the ring, or something similarly casual that in a conversation is deal simple to phrase. IYSWIM, of course :-) Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:56:55 -0000 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Island One Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gwynn said: > Being an ignorant American, I'm unfamiliar with Space Island One. Can > anyone give me information on it, actors, plots etc., and how I can > see it? Don't worry - you join most of Britland, since most of us don't get satellite. I think we'll all be suffering in silence for a while yet (unless it turns out to be rubbish). Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:03:36 -0000 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] YKYBWTMB7W Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time to stick my tuppence in: YKYBWFFTMB7W ..chalk pits are full of romance and danger. ..you daren't lean against walls. ..your jacket studs breed during the night. ..you know where the curling tongs are in an emergency. ..even you don't know how many concealed weapons you're carrying. ..and you certainly don't know where they could be hidden in that outfit. .."Oh - who laid the dinner table?" "I did - I set it all up" Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:24:07 GMT From: kawm@dove.mtx.net.au (Ken Minne) To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: Re: [B7L] Second-best computer man (was Avon and Vila) Message-ID: <34f5bf24.6144564@mail.mtx.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good day all, On Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:53:37 -0500, Harriet wrote: >Walter wrote: >>My memory may be faulty, but I don't actually >>recall any independent confirmation that Avon >>was the "Second Best Computer Man in the >>Federation" or however it is that Vila acclaims >>him in Spacefall. >> >>Was this confirmed anywhere else? > >It's a JOKE! The whole point is for the other person to ask "who's number >one" so Vila can come back with his punchline: "the one who caught him". >That's why Nova rolls his eyes a bit: he realises he's fallen into the >trap. > Sure the "one who caught him" line was a joke, but was the original claim? Avon never actually denies it. At the risk of prodding a lurking tiger >;-), Tony Attwood described Avon as "one of the leading electronics and computer experts of the age" in the Programme Guide. ( And makes a point of maentioning it in Afterlife. ) Blake does not question whether Avon is that good, he asks what went wrong. >None of this means that it couldn't be true. Avon could be the >second-best, the best, the 42nd best... and the rest of your reasoning >could still apply. But Vila's evidence isn't evidence at all. > >I'm marginally more willing to take notice of the banter between Dorian and >Soolin about whether her trainer was the best or the second-best gun. At >least, I believe that Soolin took it quite seriously. > >Harriet > Catch you Later, Walter Minne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:24:08 GMT From: kawm@dove.mtx.net.au (Ken Minne) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon vs. Blake Message-ID: <34f4bf14.6129360@mail.mtx.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good day all, On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:38:54 -0500 (EST), Brent wrote: < replacing Brents events with an Extract from the transcript > KLYN: [into intercom] Security personnel to main tracking gallery. Security personnel to main tracking -- [Avon shoots her with his long gun. Blake and Arlen enter. Avon brings the rifle to bear on Blake. Arlen is armed; Blake is not.] TARRANT: Is it him? VILA: It's him. TARRANT: He sold us, Avon. All of us. Even you. [Avon lowers the gun and approaches Blake.] {comment : Blake may be interpreting this as friendly,or at least non-threatening on Avon's part.} AVON: Is it true? BLAKE: Avon, it's me, Blake. [starts to move forward] { comment : Blake does not answer the question. } AVON: Stand still! [Blake does] Have you betrayed us? Have you betrayed me?! { comment : Avon wants some straight answers and he has got the gun. Blake at least wakes up to that and stops moving. Avon tries again to get some straight answers. } BLAKE: Tarrant doesn't understand! { comment : that is two avoiding the questions from Blake } AVON: Neither do I, Blake! { comment : Avon gives him one more chance. Avon even acknowledges that he knows it IS Blake. } BLAKE: I set all this up! { comment : Poor Blake, he has lost it so completely that he muffs three chances to talk Avon down. } AVON: Yes! { comment : Avon concludes that Blake has lost the plot. Even now Blake has some small chance of talking Avon, but it is far beyond him. } BLAKE: [starts forward again] Avon, I was waiting for YOU. { comment : the worst thing that Blake can do, so he does... Avon probably never understood what Blake had said, and if he did, then it only confirmed his fears, that Blake is a raving loon, that they have walked into a trap, and that this madman is trying to get closer to me, even if I have got a gun on him. Avon has nothing left but to pull the trigger. } [Avon brings the gun around and fires. Blake is visibly hit. Avon fires again. Blake continues his approach, and Avon fires a third time. Blake stops, but is still standing. Avon swings the gun up to point at Blake's face. As his knees begin to buckle, Blake grabs Avon's arms.] BLAKE: Avon... [He collapses; Avon lets him go. Blake falls at Avon's feet.] Conclusions : Blake ( and the plot ) don't leave Avon a lot of room to maneuver. Blake has clearly had it long before Scorpio arrives. Even if Blake and Avon survived Gauda Prime, Blake was probably too far gone to be even the type of figurehead that Avon would have wanted. Catch you later, Walter Minne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:38:03 -0800 From: Jay To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] YKYHBWTMB7W Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980224173803.006c3a3c@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >YKYBWTMB7W: >You turn pale, and run and hide in a cupboard when told at weight >watchers that "you weigh 73 kilos". >You tell your workmates to consider amputations when they complain of >headaches. ROTFLMAO Loved these two. Jay 100% Avon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:44:54 -0800 From: Jay To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re: safety Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980224174454.006c2224@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:22 PM 2/24/98 +0000, Jackie wrote: > >Perhaps the real question should be "Why did Orac say what he did? Avon, >*if* he had already thought about it was not acting on it until Orac >mentioned it. And would Orac have mentioned it if it had been any one >OTHER than Vila?" Orac stated a fact in reply to Avon's question. IMO anyone else, would have probably dismissed that answer straight away and asked "What else?" I would have any way. But no, Avon latches on to that and until he finds the perspex that was the only possibility. I think Orac would have mentioned it if it had been anyone, as long as they were in the vicinity of weighing 70 kilos. As far as I'm concerned, it's all Orac's fault, he brought the subject up. Thereby exonerating The Studded One from all blame . > Jay 100% Avon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:47:40 -0800 From: Jay To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake's 7 fans (MBTI) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980224174740.006c2200@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:47 AM 2/25/98 +1300, Nicola wrote: >I usually test as ISTJ, although I think I'm teetering on the brink of N. >The ISTJ description certainly isn't me, though. We seems to be the same, I'm ISTJ, but I see myself as more of an N. >ttfn, Nicola (definitely I) Another teeterer and definite I Jay 100% Avon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:48:46 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Re: Alphas Message-ID: <199802242049_MC2-3496-97D8@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks, Tom, for the list of mentions, especially the fact that most of them can be attributed to two writers... Where have you been lately? Feeling we haven't seen your sig so often. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:13:04 -0600 (CST) From: Susan.Moore@uni.edu To: BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] RE: YKYBWTMB&W Message-id: <01ITYY7A7SSY8ZCHJ6@uni.edu> your response to being asked to go for a curry is (all together now): I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid, and I'm not going. Sorry, really. Susan M. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:54:01 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com CC: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] YKYBWTMB7W Message-ID: <34F387C8.62BE@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > YKYBWFFTMB7W > ..chalk pits are full of romance and danger. > ..you daren't lean against walls. > ..your jacket studs breed during the night. > ..you know where the curling tongs are in an emergency. > ..even you don't know how many concealed weapons you're carrying. Actually that last one is, "You know you've been watching too much 'Maverick'" I hope someone besides me on this list is familiar with that series. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:28:56 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Nicola Collie CC: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Message-ID: <34F38FF7.23E@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Helen: > >I HAVE the haircut (in chestnut brown),the hourglass figure, and the > >closet full of full-length gowns... > > Oooo! Can I share? or am I going to have to "hate" you Do you think I'm going to mail my dresses to New Zealand? (That is what the nz in your address means, right?) Servalan would rather be hated than loose her gowns. And how do you know we're the same size? I know you're joking; so am I. :^D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:45:25 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Lisa Williams CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs Testing Message-ID: <34F393D4.4A66@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > But quite likely for different reasons. INTJ and INFJ are very different > types -- NT vs. NF temperament. But some of us score very closely on the categories, so the show appeals to both sides of our temprament. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:24:42 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Re: Cally and Jenna and Imipak Message-ID: <199802242225_MC2-3494-67C3@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kat said: >I also can't recall any times when >Cally communicates telepathically with Jenna How about The Web, when Cally's being possessed by the Lost? She thanks Jenna telepathically when, er, I think Jenna has just slapped her in an attempt to bring her out of it? Steve said: >Well I'm still planning on bringing imipak >and last I heard Harriet was too. I'll have Imipak in my handbag, but I think we'll be arrested if we do any marking. Maybe in Bay 10? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:49:56 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Jackie CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re: safety Message-ID: <34F394E3.60F5@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Perhaps the real question should be "Why did Orac say what he did? Avon, > *if* he had already thought about it was not acting on it until Orac > mentioned it. And would Orac have mentioned it if it had been any one > OTHER than Vila?" > Because ORAC wasn't so sure he'd survive the crash, ORAC definitely didn't want to get tossed out himself, and ORAC likes Avon as much as ORAC can like someone. But I think ORAC might've been MORE keen to get rid of anyone he found less amusing than Vila (like Dayna or Tarrant). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:42:22 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Helen: >> >I HAVE the haircut (in chestnut brown),the hourglass figure, and the >> >closet full of full-length gowns... >> >> Oooo! Can I share? or am I going to have to "hate" you > >Do you think I'm going to mail my dresses to New Zealand? (That is what >the nz in your address means, right?) At least my hair's the right _colour_ - the cut's just a matter of time and courage 8} Actually, I wouldn't want to deprive you. I'll just have to find some of my own. and Yup! I'm a proud New Zealander - possibly the only person on the list who doesn't automatically think NZ=Neutral Zone :) And if I'm not - speak up out there! >Servalan would rather be hated than loose her gowns. And how do you know >we're the same size? Loose is not how I'd describe some of those confections ;) While I'm fantasising, does anyone know Jacqueline/Servalan's height etc? For some reason I thought she's tall and slender, but I've looked more closely since this subject came up, and now I'm not so sure. She's almost as curvy as me... but I'm a lofty 5'2". I'd feel silly in a style designed for a giraffe. >I know you're joking; so am I. :^D *cackle* ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:24:29 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Nicola Collie CC: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Message-ID: <34F39CFD.602F@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Loose is not how I'd describe some of those confections ;) While I'm > fantasising, does anyone know Jacqueline/Servalan's height etc? For some > reason I thought she's tall and slender, but I've looked more closely since > this subject came up, and now I'm not so sure. She's almost as curvy as > me... but I'm a lofty 5'2". I'd feel silly in a style designed for a > giraffe. _Not_ tall. She wears heels, and still has to crane her neck to look at Avon. But the three of us are apparently perfectly proportioned. I think she's closer to your height than my 5'6". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:29:42 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: NWOutsider CC: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Seek-Locate-Destroy 2/2 Message-ID: <34F39E35.38A@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Blake and Vila: I'm a minority of one but I like these two together. I > like Blake listening to Vila's explanation while watching for guards, > I like him trusting Vila to divert the guards, I like the silliness with > the door. I'm less keen on Vila hollering after Blake when they're > trying to sneak around...This must be the least explored relationship, > at least in a positive sense, among the main characters except for > Blake and Gan. Even Vila and Gan get more, and more favorable space, > than Blake and Vila, even though Vila says he likes Blake and keeps > going along with him. I notice his drinking increases after Blake's > departure, too. Hmmm. Maybe it's because the relationship doesn't have "hidden" features. Vila never pretends he doesn't like Blake. But Blake does respect Vila more than the "intelligent flea" joke between Blake and Avon would seem to indicate... but then, Avon respected him more than that joke indicated either. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:35:31 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: NWOutsider CC: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Seek-Locate-Destroy 1/2 Message-ID: <34F39F92.5092@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just want to mention something. I've never known people who thought Blake was bad. Sometimes we mock him for looking like he needs caffiene very badly (how do you run a rebellion when you act half-awake?) but he really can't help that, it's how his face is built. I thought _everyone_ thought Blake was a hero. I spend more time explaining/defending Avon, because he is attacked frequently as a bad guy. Are there really people who think Blake doesn't have good intentions, at least? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:45:25 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Tramila CC: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Temperment Message-ID: <34F3A1E4.4097@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tramila wrote: > > >Allan's favorite character is VILA! An idealist and Vila? Well, healers > >are tolerant. Tramila, another VICE member is here. :) > > YES!!! > Welcome Allan to V.I.C.E. > Chapter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. > Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element He says thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:13:33 EST From: ShilLance@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Island One Message-ID: <1f3148d6.34f3a880@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-02-24 20:13:24 EST, you write: << Gwynn said: > Being an ignorant American, I'm unfamiliar with Space Island One. Can > anyone give me information on it, actors, plots etc., and how I can > see it? Don't worry - you join most of Britland, since most of us don't get satellite. I think we'll all be suffering in silence for a while yet (unless it turns out to be rubbish). >> Good, then I'm not alone. Gwynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:27:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Deliverance-weapons Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I'm glad to say I read the weapons policy the wrong way and that those who read it as 'curling tongs' are okay at all times were correct. I asked, and the answer I got was that anything that doesn't look like a real weapon of the present day is fine to wear at any time. They are more worried about swords, weapons that fire blanks, etc. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:54:43 +1100 From: Ross Mallett To: blake7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] A *real* personality test. Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 6:16 PM +0000 24/2/98, Iain Coleman wrote: >On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Jay wrote: > >> Well, I ended up as a Scary Spice. That surprised me. After doing the >> test, I feel more like Mixed Spice > >Hey, I ended up as Scary too! Gosh. Time to trade in the eyepatch for a >tongue stud, methinks. I can just imagine Travis trading in his eyepatch on a tongue stud! Maybe a AU story where Blake shoots him in the tongue instead. Actually, this leads me to another kewl idea, a Blakes7/Funky Squad crossover: BLAKE: Your friend doesn't say much GRANT: YOU wouldn't either, if you'd copped a bullet in the tongue! Ross (Much surprised to find he's a Baby Spice) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:59:43 -0000 From: "Susan Bennett" To: Subject: [B7L] Re: Safety Message-Id: <199802251214.MAA19756@mail.iol.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brent said: >>>Really, I suppose I should have known that attacking Avon's character (moral fabric, not the character himself) would have raised the ire of his champions<<< and: >>>Just covering my ass before all the analytical Avon types lynch me over that one.<<< Brent, I think that you might be generalising a bit too much here ;-) Susan Bennett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:42:25 -0000 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Safety Message-ID: <888404810.2016328.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom said > Actually, that's something I forgot to clarify. We can't tell how dense the > atmosphere was just from its composition, because the density varies with > both temperature and pressure (i.e. gravitational attraction, i.e. how big > the planet is), so knowing its composition is very little use at all, > except to note that the gravity can't be too high because the amount of > lighter gases (hydrogen, helium, etc) was negligeable. And it varies throughout the depth of the atmosphere of course. For example there are layers of Jupiter's atmosphere which are quite earth-like in pressure and density aren't there? What I really wanted to know wasn't the 'density of a methane atmosphere' (although that was, admittedly, what I said) but - given the limited list of things we know about Malodour how likely is it that an option to make a controlled landing would be an alternative to trying to achieve escape velocity? As in so much of B7 I think the answer is that you can assume just about anything you like for the sake of a good story. And while we are on the subject anybody got any thoughts on geosynchronous orbit (except it wouldn't be 'geo' becuase the planet is not earth)? Don't satellites whizz around the earth without using any fuel at all? if they got the shuttle craft into a stable orbit then Liberator could match velocity and use the teleport (perhaps)? Come on, science fans, my story is stuck until I get answers to these vital questions. Alison Once again finding that yacking about B7 is a pleasant alternative to earning a living ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:11:08 GMT From: "Jane Elizabeth Macdonald" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Sarkoff & Tyce Message-ID: <17CE26F7ACC@sdk1.derby.ac.uk> Sondra Sweigman wrote: > >It's interesting that everyone who's spoken up on this subject says > >they took Tyce for Sarkoff's daughter from the start. And Lisa wrote > The only connection between Sarkoff & Tyce which occurred to me other than > father-daughter was of her as a "companion" a la Doctor Who. Sarkoff's > crotchetiness and eccentricity were also highly reminiscent of the Doctor. > Of course, the similarities are not surprising and probably not > coincidental, given who wrote the episode. I have been very surprised by this thread. When I first watched this episode it never occured to me that they were father and daughter. Or that they were lovers. Perhaps I am just perceptive enough? I got the impression that she was a 'loyal subject' who had stayed with him because of her ideals. Cylan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:21:42 GMT From: "Jane Elizabeth Macdonald" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Message-ID: <17D0ECB3A58@sdk1.derby.ac.uk> Avona said > What about introverts who _fake_ being extorverts? I did that for a few > years, and can still do it when the need arises. I love being on stage, > by the way-- I'm reserved mostly 'cause I'm scared people won't like > _me_-- acting solves the problem by turning me into someone else. Any > other "I" types feel that way? I don't know what my type is but what you wrote above seems to exactly descibe me Cylan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:48:50 GMT From: "Jane Elizabeth Macdonald" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L]Cally Message-ID: <17D833D75EB@sdk1.derby.ac.uk> Katharine says: - > I suspect it might also have something to do with that fatal kiss. > One short bout of tonsil-hockey with Avon and the alien being turns > into jelly and makes a fatal mistake. Well, do you blame her, I'd turn to jelly too! Cylan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:09:11 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re: safety Message-ID: <199802251409.JAA03148@yfn.ysu.edu> Jackie wrote: >Would he have spaced himself before or after Orac`s "Vila weighs 73 >kilos", or would he have continued to try to figure out ways to save >both him and Vila as the shuttle hit the swamp? I think Tarrant would have been well aware of body weight as a final choice long before Orac presented the "Vila weighs 73 kilos" option. He'd do his best to avoid that solution, but if it came down to 73 kilos and no time to do anything else, he'd pop out. >After the bullying throughout the 3&4 seasons, I really don`t believe >that Tarrant would commit suicide so that Vila could live. Please present examples of bullying and compare that to incidents where Tarrant willingly risked his life for his shipmates, including for Vila in "City at the Edge." When he realized Vila was in trouble, he was determined to stay and find him even when Avon judged that the risk factor had gone beyond acceptable levels. You can't judge a character by one or two moments in the grand scheme of things. Else we could look at Avon sticking a gun in Tarrant's belly in "Terminal" and wonder how the same man would be willing to give his life for Tarrant in "Blake" (take over piloting Scorpio). >Perhaps the real question should be "Why did Orac say what he did? Avon, >*if* he had already thought about it was not acting on it until Orac >mentioned it. And would Orac have mentioned it if it had been any one >OTHER than Vila?" I can't answer those questions. But I'd think Vila wouldn't be very happy with Orac. Another question I wonder about is whether Orac would have suggested "Vila" to anyone except Avon? Did Orac know that a Vila option was acceptable to Avon? I can't help but think Orac would have told Tarrant or Blake "you weigh 73 kilos." Maybe Orac was in self-preservation mode and was prepared to suggest whatever option would be most acceptable to the person who asked the question. Carol McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:14:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Safety Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alison Page wrote: > > What I really wanted to know wasn't the 'density of a methane atmosphere' > (although that was, admittedly, what I said) but - given the limited list > of things we know about Malodour how likely is it that an option to make a > controlled landing would be an alternative to trying to achieve escape > velocity? As in so much of B7 I think the answer is that you can assume > just about anything you like for the sake of a good story. I suppose the answer, from a dramatic rather than scientific angle, is that Tarrant could have mannged that but Avon couldn't (since Tarrant is the Heroic Ace Pilot and Avon is the Cold Calculating Computer Genius). > And while we are on the subject anybody got any thoughts on geosynchronous > orbit (except it wouldn't be 'geo' becuase the planet is not earth)? Malodosynchronous? >Don't > satellites whizz around the earth without using any fuel at all? if they > got the shuttle craft into a stable orbit then Liberator could match > velocity and use the teleport (perhaps)? A stable orbit is a special case of a more general form of motion, known as "falling". If you step off the top of a high building, you will fall vertically and go "splat" at the base of the building. If instead you take a running jump, your horizontal velocity will take you quite far from the building before you splatter on the ground. You can even imagine going really really fast, so that you are actually over the horizon when you land. If you go fast enough (which is pretty fast, let me tell you), you would never hit the ground, because as you were falling the ground would be curving beneath you at the same rate, and you would eventually hit the top of the building from which you launched yourself. Which would be a neat trick. (Note that this argument assumes a spherical Earth with no atmosphere and only one building. I'm a physicist, and have special training in making such assumptions. Do not try this at home.) The velocity you'd need to carry out this trick would depend on the height of the tower: the higher the tower, the lower the velocity. This is how satellites orbit (except without the tower bit), and it's why weightlessness is referred to as "free-fall" (and why astronauts are emphatically NOT in "zero-gravity"). Now, the higher up you are, the more slowly you orbit. At one particular height above the Earth, the orbital period is 24 hours. This is a geosynchronous orbit, so-called because a satellite at this height remains above the same spot on Earth. This is a useful orbit for communications satellites, for obvious reasons, and indeed that part of geospace is getting pretty cluttered. Now, to the plight of our valiant heroes. When the shuttle runs out of fuel, it will exhibit that general class of "falling" motion to which we alluded earlier. They will experience a sub-optimal flight termination unless they can go fast enough to orbit. The higher they go, the less speed they will need (and in any case they will have to be high enough that atmospheric friction is negligible). Gaining height and gaining horizontal velocity both require fuel. There will be an optimum height (and corresponding velocity) which can be attained with the least fuel consumption. If that minimum fuel requirement exceeds the onboard reserves, no stable orbit is achievable. > Come on, science fans, my story is stuck until I get answers to these vital > questions. > > Alison > > Once again finding that yacking about B7 is a pleasant alternative to > earning a living Since I get paid to do physics, the boundaries blur occasionally. Mind you, I will offer this list a special discount rate for consultancy. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:20:52 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon vs. Blake (and Tarrant) Message-ID: <199802251420.JAA04003@yfn.ysu.edu> Katharine (Woods) wrote: >Does that mean that the Tarrant Nostra stab you in the back? Only if you promise to sit still long enough to make placement of the knife possible. Murder by backstabbing is a difficult to impossible undertaking. We tend to prefer methods that don't involve so much personal risk. >Having just >rewatched Powerplay and trying to divorce myself from the point of view >of an A.S.S, all can say is Tarrant, what a guy! Ranks right up there >with Ace Rimmer. I can't believe I ever labelled him as a nice boy next >door. He's smart, he's walking a tightrope between Avon and Klegg's >death squad while keeping up his masquerade as a Fed officer, and calmly >arranging several cold-blooded murders. Actually, Avon probably approved of what Tarrant did. It's Tarrant who has to explain that it wasn't quite as callous as it seemed, because he's not comfortable with what he did. A cold-blooded killer wouldn't have needed to make that confession. A cold-blooded killer would have been able to shoot an android in the back without a qualm. But you got one thing right: Tarrant is smart. Thanks! Carol McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:36:56 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re: safety Message-ID: <34F43A97.39@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I can't answer those questions. But I'd think Vila wouldn't be very > happy with Orac. Another question I wonder about is whether Orac > would have suggested "Vila" to anyone except Avon? Did Orac know > that a Vila option was acceptable to Avon? I can't help but think > Orac would have told Tarrant or Blake "you weigh 73 kilos." Maybe > Orac was in self-preservation mode and was prepared to suggest > whatever option would be most acceptable to the person who asked > the question. YES! I think ORAC would have told Blake his weight... heh, heh, and fortune. "You weigh 84 kilos, and time is running out." ORAC showed interest in Vila (the riddle game), Soolin (Headhunter), and Avon (generally being more cooperative for him). I don't think ORAC cared for Blake much, but would have found it an interesting study in psychology to see if he'd space himself. Frankly, I'd have to see a character do it, to be sure they would. And I _Don't_ know what I'd do under the circumstances. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:39:45 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon vs. Blake (and Tarrant) Message-ID: <34F43B41.4B6A@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > A cold-blooded killer would > have been able to shoot an android in the back without a qualm. I never thought of myself as a cold-blooded killer, but I don't think of shooting an android as killing. Or do you mean the android has feelings, dreams, a basically human mind? -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #63 *************************************