From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #293 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/293 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 293 Today's Topics: RE: [B7L] Archetypes was Re: Voyager and B7 Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 Re: [B7L] How much time passes? [B7L] Catching up Re: [B7L] How much time passes? [B7L] Archetypes Re: [B7L] Catching up Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 [B7L] Videos Availble in North America Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 [B7L]Christmas Shopping Re: [B7L]Christmas Shopping Re: [B7L] Archetypes [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7) [B7L] Character types (was re: Voyager and B7) [B7L] Re: How much time passes? Re: [B7L]Christmas Shopping [B7L] series length [B7L] charateristix [B7L] star wars Re: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7) Re: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7) Re: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7) Re: [B7L] series length Re: [B7L] Character types (was re: Voyager and B7) Re: [B7L] Defending Blake's honor Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:28:54 -0000 From: "Gregory Graham" To: "Tegan Brandi" , Subject: RE: [B7L] Archetypes was Re: Voyager and B7 Message-ID: <000901be170f$20514d60$82ba46c2@barny.ascada.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like to added the Jenna/Tarrant slide into a Scout/Ranger archetype which translates to Pilot in SF. Because B7 has fantasy and SF archetypes they need a Scout (Vila) and a Pilot (Jenna/Tarrant). Han Solo is another example of the pilot archetype. ST doesn't have any because they use big navy ships though I do remember Picard showing off in a mine field once... Pilots don't generally last long without great special effects. Also they're often gung-ho and crash into a planet. Aragon, Luke Skywalker and Tarrant survive by changing to Leader, Warrior/Mystic, and Warrior (and Beauty?). Han Solo might not have made to the last movie with the carbonite freeze :) Greg As always comments, from this person may not reflect upon reality, let alone GE Harris UK Ltd -----Original Message----- From: Tegan Brandi [mailto:tegan@goddess.coe.missouri.edu] Sent: 23 November 1998 13:59 To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Archetypes was Re: Voyager and B7 Pat P declared: > Anyone want to do a full chart of character archetypes? Such as: > > Leader Warrior Mystic Technic Strong Beauty Everyman Evil > Blakes 7 Blake Dayna Cally Avon Gan Jenna Vila Servie > > Lord/Rings Aragon Faramir Gandalf Elrond Boromir Arwen Sam Sauron > > Bab 5 Sheridan Ivanov Delenn Garibaldi shields Talia (name?) Shadows Using these archetypes, I agree with your listings for B7. SInce there is no Tarrant nor Soolin, are we to assume they are beyond categorization? *g* for the B5 comparisons, I think that I would throw Franklin into the Technic area, as he's always playing with those alien techno-thingies in MedLab. That would put Garibaldi in the Everyman position, which suits him perfectly: he's the one you identify with because he's screwed up soooooo many times. :) Plus there's the wonderful shift for Londo from Everyman to Evil Leader, and G'Kar from Warrior to Mystic.... Alas, I have not read Lord of the Rings yet. It's on my list of "things I'm going to after graduation" (28 days; yay!). tegan (*) tegan@goddess.coe.missouri.edu http://goddess.coe.missouri.edu/~tegan Floyd is dead; he's nothing but a ripple Cause Milly took that paper and sliced him on the nipple -Phish, Fee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:14:47 EST From: AChevron@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 Message-ID: <2bedb95c.3659b427@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-11-23 13:26:37 EST, you write: << But I still like Voyager anyway. If I was afraid of being considered weird for liking something that other people hate then I wouldn't be a Blakes 7 fan either. >> I'm glad someone likes the show, though I'm not one of them. I can sympathise with you a bit, being a DS9 fan since it's beginning. Fortunately, liking a show others don't doesn't disqualify you from another fandom.:-) The problem with Voyager is that the writers have never figured out what to do with the characters, or for that matter, with the series as a whole. Watching the show I am always aware I am watching actors playing a role. I cannot sink into the universe the writers are attempting to create. Whereas with DS9, B5, and B7 the characters are very alive to me. I don't know if others feel the same way, but that's how I see it. D. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:42:10 -0000 From: "Dangermouse" To: "Reuben" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 Message-Id: <199811231955.TAA05956@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Reuben > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 > Date: 22 November 1998 21:07 > >I could go on for hours about the sheer insulting unprofessionalism of Jeri > >Taylor and Brannon Braga... > > > Something, I've heard you can't talk about certain aspects of? What can't I talk about? Jeri shagging Beltran or Brannon being a notorious plagiarist? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:12:08 EST From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] How much time passes? Message-ID: <8db1fa9d.3659c198@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/22/98 4:55:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, pdreadful@hotmail.com writes: > But suppose we dispense with the (pseudo)science for the nonce. > I still find it hard to believe that _all_ that took place in six > or seven years. How 'bout you? I can believe the 6-7 years, mainly because of the overwhelming odds against our favorite rebels. Sooner rather than later I'd expect the odds to catch up with them. The only canonical references to time that I can currently recall are the 8 months to Cygnus Alpha and the reference in "Stardrive" that suggested it took place approximately three years after the Andromedan War. We've been reviewing eps in the Tarrant APA and I noticed something to suggest that some time might have passed between "Rumours" and "Ultraworld." In Rumours there is talk of how the weakened Federation was vulnerable to rebellion. In Ultraworld Tarrant notes that Servalan's empire is expanding rather quickly. So between the two, the Federation not only recovered but it began to expand again. Maybe Servalan's experience in the cellar encouraged her to make strengthening the Federation a priority. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:23:55 EST From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Catching up Message-ID: <36d6de78.3659c45b@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Judith R., thanks for the Horizon Newsflash on Guards! Guards! I appreciate all of the updates even if I can't do much more than anticipate reports on the events that I can't get to myself. Speaking of which, did anyone go to Brian Croucher's one-man show? I was hoping to see reports on that. Gail G. wrote: > So it all has to do with those curls. I have to admit, I have > never properly admired them. I've been too blinded by Avon's charm. But, I > shall try to be more properly appreciative in the future! We are grateful that you shall give Toothsomes a try. Think of it in Avon terms: "He's good material, is Tarrant. One of the best." (Traitor) Katrina, that was a nifty little young Vila story. You even made reference to his ability to resist conditioning. Steve, thanks for passing along the news that the next B7 radio play might be delayed. :( I've been looking forward to it. Are you going to tell us anything more about the convention? Joanne asked: > Carol, whose bloodstains are those? Not mine, I hope Not yours...yet. ;-) It's good to keep the possibility in mind. What did you think of "Sevenfold Crown"? I've decided that I can forgive all of its weaknesses because I like the high angst quotient. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:25:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Roll-Pickering To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] How much time passes? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:12:08 EST Mac4781@aol.com wrote: > > But suppose we dispense with the (pseudo)science for the nonce. > > I still find it hard to believe that _all_ that took place in six > > or seven years. How 'bout you? > I can believe the 6-7 years, mainly because of the overwhelming odds against > our favorite rebels. Sooner rather than later I'd expect the odds to catch up > with them. > The only canonical references to time that I can currently recall are the 8 > months to Cygnus Alpha and the reference in "Stardrive" that suggested it took > place approximately three years after the Andromedan War. Yet four months vanished there! :) BTW, didn't Servalen say in Terminal that Blake had died a year previously? > We've been reviewing eps in the Tarrant APA and I noticed something to suggest > that some time might have passed between "Rumours" and "Ultraworld." In > Rumours there is talk of how the weakened Federation was vulnerable to > rebellion. In Ultraworld Tarrant notes that Servalan's empire is expanding > rather quickly. So between the two, the Federation not only recovered but it > began to expand again. Maybe Servalan's experience in the cellar encouraged > her to make strengthening the Federation a priority. It depends how you define expanding-actual control of the planets, or having a strong military prescence in the region. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:59:00 PST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Archetypes Message-ID: <19981123215901.5755.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Pat P said:>I would align Neelix with Vila - the "everyman" characters. >Gan is the "strongman." Generally, this character is needed in >pre-tech fantasy adventure Maybe it's not quite that simple, and someone else did suggest movement could take place. I'd put Gan in as a kind of "everyman" character too. Yes, Vila does most of the asking of questions that you and I might ask in the same situation, but Gan has so much more to learn, just like any assistant/companion in Doctor Who (many of whom are supposed to have some sort of skill somewhere, but are denied the opportunity to show it and become reduced to the level of screamers, questioners and electronic component handlers (whenever the Doctor decides to fix something). Actually, now that I think of it, that is what happened to Cally and Jenna). Never having watched Voyager, I've no idea how Neelix compares to Vila. This is because commercial television in Australia has this awful habit of putting science fiction/fantasy programmes on the schedules at less than convenient hours of the day, as my brother the Babylon 5 fan knows well, not because, as fifitrix might think, people have told me Voyager was awful. Although the latter is true - people have told me that, I mean. Regards Joanne Criminal Law: One that no government in its right mind should ever have passed. --Miles Kington, "A simple glossary of legal terms", The Punch Book of Crime ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:40:13 PST From: "Penny Dreadful" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Catching up Message-ID: <19981123224013.17976.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain >Speaking of which, did anyone go to Brian Croucher's one-man show? I was >hoping to see reports on that. I would have gone, had I been on the right continent. Alas! I wonder if he ate any jewelry. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:10:11 -0600 From: "Reuben" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 Message-Id: <199811240110.TAA09190@athena.host4u.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ---------- >From: "Dangermouse" >To: "Reuben" , >Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 >Date: Mon, Nov 23, 1998, 1:42 PM > > > >---------- >> From: Reuben >> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se >> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 >> Date: 22 November 1998 21:07 >> >I could go on for hours about the sheer insulting unprofessionalism of >Jeri >> >Taylor and Brannon Braga... >> > >> Something, I've heard you can't talk about certain aspects of? > >What can't I talk about? Jeri shagging Beltran or Brannon being a notorious >plagiarist? > Just an impression I had gotten, maybe I was mistaken. You know how the usenet rumors are sometimes. I'm sure I'm not the only one that noticed similarities to the Dark Path and this past season's opener.... Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:30:42 -0700 From: CHERYL_MARKS@HP-LakeStevens-om2.om.hp.com TO: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Videos Availble in North America Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-10047b0a-00000001" --openmail-part-10047b0a-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="BDY.TXT" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="BDY.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Video Collectables, 1-800-268-3891 - US and 1-800 387-5758 - Canada, are once again carrying the entire series of Blake's 7 videos. Cost is $19.98. Also, Signals, 1-800-669-9696, is carrying Series 4 of The Avengers Videos which includes the Murdersville episode. Cost is $29.95 Cheryl --openmail-part-10047b0a-00000001-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:11:55 EST From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit fifitrix wrote: >> Hey, whats so bad about Voyager? Nothing! >> Yes, I agree. I guess Voyager fans are a tiny minority. I particularly like Janeway. I have been a Kate Mulgrew fan for a long time, since her early days on the soap opera Ryan's Hope. It's fun to see someone that I liked when I was so young doing so well. She certainly is a hard worker and brings her best to the role. Janeway is such a strong woman -- in charge of a whole starship. She's also extremely intelligent, and yet not afraid to be feminine. You don't see too much of this even in science fiction. I would love to see her and Avon have at it -- they both have such dry wits. Gail G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:13:52 -0000 From: "Julie Horner" To: Subject: [B7L]Christmas Shopping Message-ID: <01be178a$c155bd60$170201c0@pc23.Fishnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After weeks of good intentions to be really organized and get the Christmas shopping done early this year, I have finally had to face up to the challenge and have set myself a deadline of the end of the week to get it all done. With this in mind I sat down to make a list of what I was going to buy everyone. However, I found an entirely different sort of list came out - what sort of Christmas presents would the Blake 7 characters buy? OK so I know that they probably do not celebrate Christmas in the same form, what with religion having been outlawed (yes we have thoroughly done that thread), but it is credible that some sort of festival remains and a suitable excuse invented for celebrating it. After all, we had a celebration in mid-winter long before Christianity came along. Perhaps a sort of "Winterval" as I understand Birmingham council are calling it now so as not to offend their non-Christian residents. Anyway, I digress - this is my idea of their Christmas shopping list. Cally: She would put a great deal of thought in to getting presents just right for the individual, whilst at the same time trying to shop ethically - hand-crafted wooden puzzles from craft fairs or plant hangers produced by women participating in Third World projects. Jenna: She would leave things until the very last minute and then rush out and buy something totally frivolous, expensive and fun - a day of pampering at a health farm, an exuberant hand-painted silk tie... Blake: Would be a dreadful shopper. Either he would disapprove of the whole thing but tell you he had made a donation to charity in lieu of gifts this year, or he would go for gifts which were no hassle to track down - book tokens perhaps Avon: Would probably find the whole thing an unnecessary bore and buy very few presents. But when he decided he did want to give a gift it would be something very expensive and tasteful - jewellery, silk.. Vila: Generous - after all he wouldn't be paying! Up-to-the minute electronic gadgets - but don't expect a receipt. Or a bottle of whisky - and being such a friendly fellow he would come and help you drink it. Gan: Something practical and sweet but a bit dull - gloves and a scarf Tarrant: Would go for fairly predictable things - nice undies and chocolate for the women in his life. A bottle of something for the blokes. Dayna: A computer game with lots of shooting and appalling sound effects (I am thinking of Duke Nukem here - husband has been playing this for a while now and it is driving me round the bend) Soolin: Simply wouldn't Servalan: Would get somebody to do it for her - no expense spared but boy you had better be grateful. Travis: Like Soolin - he wouldn't. Julie Horner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:10:29 +1000 From: vera@c031.aone.net.au To: Subject: Re: [B7L]Christmas Shopping Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981124201029.00826c30@mail01.mel.aone.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Julie speculated: >Jenna: She would leave things until the very last minute and then rush out > and buy something totally frivolous, expensive and fun - a day >of > pampering at a health farm, an exuberant hand-painted silk >tie... Or perhaps she would have a handy cache of "acquired" goods to treat her friends with - the Federation equivalent of Havana cigars. Malissa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:20:13 -0000 From: "Alison Page" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Archetypes Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My little girl is off school poorly today. She's lying on the sofa watching a kid's cartoon series called 'Bucky O'Hare' which is about a gang of animals zipping around the galaxy fighting the 'Toad Federation'. I don't imagine the writers had ever seen B7 but it is amusing to note that the same old archetypes come up, somewhat re-shuffled. There a psychic mystical cat called Jenny A cheeky chappy who steals things called Deadeye Duck A dashing leader who is rather idealistic and impatient (Bucky O'Hare of course) A massive marine who goes berserk and beats people up but is basically a big softy called Bruiser Baboon A ferocious baddy who was damaged in combat and rebuilt with robotic parts, called 'Toad-Borg' It all seems rather eerily familiar. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:58:48 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7) Message-ID: <199811240759_MC2-6152-A60D@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK, I understand the premise of MST3K now, but are the terrible movies made specially for the series, or are they genuine terrible movies being shown within this ingenious showcase? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:57:52 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Character types (was re: Voyager and B7) Message-ID: <199811240758_MC2-6152-A600@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Pat P wrote: > Leader Warrior Mystic Technic Strong Beauty Everyman Evil >Blakes 7 Blake Dayna Cally Avon Gan Jenna Vila Servie > >Lord/RingsAragorn Faramir Gandalf Elrond Boromir Arwen Sam Sauron > >Bab 5 Sheridan Ivanova Delenn Garibaldi shields Talia (name?) Shadows Don't think the Tolkien ones are quite right. Suggest Eowyn is the Warrior (Faramir's a Peacemaker), Galadriel the Mystic, and possibly Gandalf the Technic. B5's Everyman is probably Vir Cotto. And the Strong man could be G'kar (what are shields?) Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:58:51 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: How much time passes? Message-ID: <199811240759_MC2-6152-A610@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Penny Dreadful wrote: >How much time passes between the beginning and the end of the series? I firmly believe it's six years, but I have no evidence for this whatsoever. It just seems right to me (and Mary Sue once said so). The characters age a bit, but no one looks 13 years older by the end (oh, I know, it could be fancy genetics). Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:17:12 GMT From: mjsmith@tcd.ie (Murray) To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Christmas Shopping Message-Id: <199811241317.NAA15367@dux1.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Julie, I loved your list of what the B7 characters might buy as Christmas presents. I agree that Christmas would be officially abolished, religion being outlawed; but I'm sure that many rebels would deliberately celebrate it as a consequence. Think of it, any representations of or references to Santa Claus being severely punished by the Federation! The fat old man in the red suit regarded as a dangerous subversive symbol of degenerate superstition! On an official level, I'd suggest that the Federation would sanction the celebration of the New Year; it's near enough to Christmas for the latter to be assimilated. Would 'Aud Lang Syne' still be sung, and would people still make new year resolutions? Yours, Murray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:36:08 GMT From: Roger the Shrubber To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] series length Message-Id: <199811250036.AAA31364@axis.jeack.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Penny wrote , so maybe my mistake is _assuming_ "t" is inviolate. But suppose we dispense with the (pseudo)science for the nonce. I still find it hard to believe that _all_ that took place in six or seven years. How 'bout you? *** The crew were cracking up by Horizon, so a fourth series Very Tense Avon rings true if it was 6 - 7 years. If those events had been stretched out to 13 years, there surely would have been enough time to recover to some kind of normality between adventures. Avon may have faced Blake with a clearer mind. Some episodes (such as Trial) were obviously following on from the previous ep, but most other eps could conceivably have happened months after the previous ep (ie self-contained stories) ___________________________________ from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome ! powerplay@cheerful.com ____________________________________ Who would you swap lives with for a day ? Answer from Natasha Stott Despoja - "Xena:Warrior Princess. I want to wear breastplates in the Senate ! That would be very cool." ______________________________________ Man, if he is sensible, separates himself from nature and becomes its master and conqueror. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634 Anxiety & Panic _________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:36:00 GMT From: Roger the Shrubber To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] charateristix Message-Id: <199811250036.AAA31352@axis.jeack.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pat p wrote Leader Warrior Mystic Technic Strong Beauty Everyman Evil Blakes 7 Blake Dayna Cally Avon Gan Jenna Vila Servie *** Of course it's a formatting thing, but this is how I received this little table.... Cally as warrior fits (in her earlier appearances anyways) Avon as mystic is intriguing but probably wrong ( I do have a publicity shot of him holding a chicken standing near a pentagram) Gan as Technical is very wrong. The guy couldn't put lego blocks together. Jenna as Strong fits (again in the early appearances). I want to see her doing some smuggling instead of making up the numbers. I've been watching Lost In Space series (late Sunday nights here in Melbourne OZ), and Judy reminds me of Jenna because they don't really get to do much. Vila as Beauty - not unless you're pissed on Adrenalin & Soma. Or unless you are a hormone-charged Dayna. Servie as Everyman is so far wrong as to be funny. Harrison Ford she ain't. Dayna as a blank suits, because apart from weaponry she was a bit thick. ___________________________________ from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome ! powerplay@cheerful.com ____________________________________ Who would you swap lives with for a day ? Answer from Natasha Stott Despoja - "Xena:Warrior Princess. I want to wear breastplates in the Senate ! That would be very cool." ______________________________________ Man, if he is sensible, separates himself from nature and becomes its master and conqueror. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634 Anxiety & Panic _________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 01:28:58 GMT From: Roger the Shrubber To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] star wars Message-Id: <199811250128.BAA00228@axis.jeack.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well I WAS going to send this to the spin list, but sensors detect a B7 connection in the cast listing. So here goes. Plot Summary for Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) This First Episode follows the young years of Anakin Skywalker (Darth Vader). The friendship of Obi-wan Kenobi, Yoda and Qui-Gon Jinn are also central aspects. And the beginning of the rise to power of Senator Palpatine to Emperor. Filming Locations for Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) Royal Palace, Caserta, Napoli, Italy (coronation sequence) Tozeur, Tunisia (Tatooine) Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) Directed by George Lucas Writing credits George Lucas Genre: Action / Adventure / Drama / Sci-Fi / War Tagline: Every generation has a legend. Every journey has a first step. Every saga has a beginning. Production Notes/Status: Status: Post-production Comments: Trailers are being distributed to theaters. Last Updated: 15 November 1998 Note: Since this project is categorized as being in production, the data is subject to change or could be removed completely. Cast overview: Liam Neeson .... Qui-Gon Jinn Ewan McGregor .... Obi-Wan Kenobi Natalie Portman .... Padme Naberrie Amidala Jake Lloyd (I) .... Anakin Skywalker Ian McDiarmid .... Senator Palpatine Terence Stamp .... Chancellor Valorum Benedict Taylor Margaret Towner .... Jira Oliver Walpole Dominic West Liz Wilson (I) .... Eritae Pernilla August .... Shmi Skywalker Kenny Baker (I) .... Artoo-Detoo Ahmed Best .... JarJar Binks Jerome Blake Brian Blessed .... Boss Nass Khan Bonfils Ralph Brown (I) .... Ric Olié Alexi Kaye Campbell Scott Capurro Silas Carson .... Nute Gunray Dhruv Chanchani .... Kitster Cin Michaela Cottrell .... Jedi Councilor Kristina DaSilva .... Rabe Anthony Daniels .... See-Threepio Oliver Ford Davies .... Sio Bibble Warwick Davis .... Wald/Grimy Man/Spectator Adrian Dunbar .... Bail Organa John Fensom .... TeeSee-Three Ray Griffiths .... Power Droid Celia Imrie Samuel L. Jackson .... Mace Windu Madison Lloyd .... Ellie Synthia Monroe Frank Oz .... Yoda Ray Park .... Darth Maul Greg Proops Hugh Quarshie .... Captain Panaka Alan Ruscoe Andy Secombe Christian J. Simpson .... Royal Naboo Pilot Clarence Smith (II) Steven Speirs Also Known As: Star Wars: Episode I (1998) (USA: working title) Country: USA Language: English Color: Color Sound Mix: DTS / Dolby Digital / SDDS **** transmission ends ___________________________________ from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome ! powerplay@cheerful.com ____________________________________ Who would you swap lives with for a day ? Answer from Natasha Stott Despoja - "Xena:Warrior Princess. I want to wear breastplates in the Senate ! That would be very cool." ______________________________________ Man, if he is sensible, separates himself from nature and becomes its master and conqueror. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634 Anxiety & Panic _________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:30:09 -0600 (EST) From: Tegan Brandi To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > OK, I understand the premise of MST3K now, but are the terrible movies made > specially for the series, or are they genuine terrible movies being shown > within this ingenious showcase? They are genuine B movies that would have been shown in Drive-ins, when there still were some, and would now be relegated to the 3 am showings on independant TV stations if it were not for MST3K. I swear that it was based on my saturday afternoons when I was 15, when me a few friends would rent the old sci-fi movies and heckle them ourselves. I guess that's why it's so endearing. :) tegan (*) tegan@goddess.coe.missouri.edu http://goddess.coe.missouri.edu/~tegan The place I saw was far beneath the surface of the sea My sight was poor but I was sure the sirens sang their songs for me They dance above me as I sink I see them through a crystal haze And hear them bouncing round the room the never ending coral maze -Phish, Bouncing Around the Room ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:32:04 -0600 (CST) From: Susan.Moore@uni.edu To: BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7) Message-id: <01J4JN3PJQPK8WXDA0@uni.edu> The movies used in the show are actual movies. Awhile back, they did almost all of the Gamera movies and they've done one or two Godzilla movies. Since they do show the entire movie (including credits), the show has to pay for the rights to show the movie. There are some movies I think "deserve" the MSTIE treatment, but the costs are too high for the show. Susan M. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:41:27 -0600 From: "Reuben" To: "Blakes 7 Mail (E-mail)" Subject: Re: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7) Message-ID: <000a01be17b8$84b3f4c0$660114ac@misnt.tursso.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 7:08 AM Subject: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7) >OK, I understand the premise of MST3K now, but are the terrible movies made >specially for the series, or are they genuine terrible movies being shown >within this ingenious showcase? Actual bad movies. The movie featured This Island Earth. No they really do manage to bring up some stinkers. The Gamera movies, and then my favorite, Mitchel! Which stars a drunk smelly Jon Don Baker. Truly great stuff. Reuben http://www.reuben.net/blake/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:56:00 -0600 From: "Reuben" To: "Blakes 7 Mail (E-mail)" Subject: Re: [B7L] series length Message-ID: <006a01be17ba$8d3ec690$660114ac@misnt.tursso.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Roger the Shrubber To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 7:39 AM Subject: [B7L] series length >Penny wrote >, so maybe my mistake is _assuming_ "t" is inviolate. > >But suppose we dispense with the (pseudo)science for the nonce. >I still find it hard to believe that _all_ that took place in six >or seven years. How 'bout you? >*** >The crew were cracking up by Horizon, so a fourth series Very Tense Avon >rings true if it was 6 - 7 years. If those events had been stretched out to >13 years, there surely would have been enough time to recover to some kind of >normality between adventures. Avon may have faced Blake with a clearer mind. > >Some episodes (such as Trial) were obviously following on from the previous >ep, but most other eps could conceivably have happened months after the >previous ep (ie self-contained stories) > And add to that the slowness of space travel that they talk about all the time and it seems very right to assume 7 years. My feeling is that Blake was lost after about 3 years. The Season four crew seems so familir with each other that I would think that season takes place over the longest amount of time. Reuben http://www.reuben.net/blake/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:09:06 PST From: "Rob Clother" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Character types (was re: Voyager and B7) Message-ID: <19981124150906.7228.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain > Leader Warrior Mystic Technic Strong Beauty Everyman Evil >Blakes 7 Blake Dayna Cally Avon Gan Jenna Vila Serv >LOTR Aragorn Faramir Gandalf Elrond Boromir Arwen Sam Saur I'd question Jenna as beauty, but then there's no accounting for taste... Anyway, Arthurian stuff: Leader: Arthur Warrior: Tristram, probably more so than Lancelot Mystic: Merlin, maybe Galahad Technic: Merlin again Strong: Gawain Beauty: Guinevere Everyman: Pellinor Evil: Morgan -- Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:28:46 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Defending Blake's honor Message-ID: <3658BA4E.CF5@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VulcanXYZ@aol.com wrote: > << re: Horizon poem: Time to Leave > Very nicely done! I quite enjoyed this >> > Thanks, Pat! I have loads more poems. Perhaps I'll unload some more on the > list. well??? I'm still waiting... Poetic Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:38:08 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 Message-ID: <3658BC80.34B4@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dangermouse wrote: > > > Hey, whats so bad about Voyager? > Is that a serious question? > > I could go on for hours about the sheer insulting unprofessionalism of Jeri > Taylor and Brannon Braga... Who are these people and what did they do that was unprofessional? Have sex with interns on the set? Also, please give an example of: what is insulting? I agree the show is boring as hell, with characters even their own mothers couldn't care about, but bad writing isn't necessarily insulting. (required Blakes 7 reference: Now, the giant bug in Harvest of Kairos - *that* was insulting!) > I mean, look at how they've basically removed Tuvok. Where did they send him? Down to shovel coal in the engine room? And why is it unprofessional to remove a character? Was it unprofessional to crush Gan? (oh gawd, how I *love* the fact that in the B7 universe, the dead *stay* dead!) > Look at how season five has a bloody kid in every thrid episode... bloody brats that have been critically mauled by hungry aliens? no? aw shucks. you mean shiny faced cherubs that recite overlong scripts with marbles in mouth - unless girl children, in which case their lines are: shriek! shriek! shriek! (Do Jenna and Cally, Dayna and Soolin *ever* shriek? I don't think so. Goddess! How I love those gals! :-) I've not watched the show for some time now. Where do the kiddies come from? I thought there were no other humans out in Sector Whatever where they've been wandering about since The Big Bang (or at least it seems that long!) Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:07:05 EST From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 Message-ID: <1c7e5f37.365ae7b9@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-11-24 11:22:07 EST, Pat wrote: << (Do Jenna and Cally, Dayna and Soolin *ever* shriek? I don't think so. Goddess! How I love those gals! :-) >> Dayna did in Dorian's cellar when she came fave to face with the creature, but then she had a reason. :-) Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:49:39 EST From: AChevron@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7 Message-ID: <9d90f0c.365b0dd3@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/98 11:22:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, pussnboots@geocities.com writes: << I've not watched the show for some time now. Where do the kiddies come from? >> I've only seen the one kid myself, and frankly preferred her and her holodeck fantasies to the rest of the plots. And this from a Telebubby hater! What has gotten me for most of the last 12 or so episodes I've bothered to watch is the "Alien invader of the week" syndrome. We've seen the crew experimented on, hunted in the holodecks, even moved off the ship entirely. Sorry, that many times and they'd be dead for real. Even more frustrating is when I watch a plot that looks halfway decent get mauled with logical inconsistancies. I am willing to suspend belief a certain amount, but Voyager requires deactivating all logic circuitry, which I refuse to do. As for the Kairos bug, it's amusing but not insulting. I can at least understand that the time and the money were too tight to do a proper prop or special effect; my imagination can edit the scene to how it 'should' look. Less forgivable is having the special effects the ONLY good thing on a show. Deborah Rose "Who'd still rather watch reruns of B7 than a new episode of Voyager." -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #293 **************************************