From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #182 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/182 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 182 Today's Topics: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Re: [B7L] Love, part two. [B7L] Sports Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. [B7L] vids Re: [B7L] vids Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Re: [B7L] Sports [B7L] Vilas First And Only Puerile Attempt At Poetry Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. [B7L] Peladon Re: [B7L] Sports Re: [B7L] vids Re: [B7L] Sports Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. [B7L] FYI [B7L] Sorry Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. [B7L] Fanzines in the National Library of Australia Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. [B7L] Flag waving. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 00:39:53 PDT From: "Edith Spencer" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Message-ID: <19980702073954.1118.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain To all: Hello. I since joining this list, I have been mor careful of the way I watch my B7 videos- and other shows in general! On another note, I notice the astonishing cruelty the members seem to have towards the writing style of... Paul Darrow. Now, heck, I wouldn't want to even trying to censor anyone, or proclaim anyone a fiend. Perhaps I have mistaken honesty for cruelty- I have never of anyone being so lambasted in my entire short life. I have not read Queen: The Eye, but after reading the review, I am afraid to. On the other hand, I have not heard Trek fans even once criticize the great Shatner when he decided to go into writing the "Tekwar" series of books. And they sold a lot of them! Maybe Shatner has a ghostwriter- perhaps that is the secret! Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes Paul stuff a whole lot. I don't know. You guys are funny and entertaining as the B5 people! Edith Spencer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:50:37 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Love, part two. Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Edith said - > Hello again. Just starting out- I did mean to imply in my "sweet > love on the liberator" post anything about eros, or sexual love. I hope > I did not offend anyone! My interest was more in the Agapos,"platonic" > love as we would call it. I've got to respond to this, because I like to think of B7 in relation to this kind of love. Not that I am against 'the other'. Also I think sexual love can be a metaphorical representation of other types of love. In a story, and of course in real life. Samuel Delaney said that what he liked about SF was that you could make metaphors come true. He used the example 'his world literally fell apart'. Similarly the freedom of a story set in the future allows you to invent any kind of social code to literally 'flesh out' emotional relationships. Actually, in real life, I wonder what is a better motive for having sex with someone - that you love them non-sexually, or that you are sexually attracted to them? I know ideally we look for the congruence of the two.. I do think that the crew(s) in B7 loved each other in the way that you mean Edith, i.e. as a 'band of brothers' (and sisters). I am a big believer that this is a natural way for a group of people to inter-relate, particularly under stress. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:26:43 +-200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: "'Blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] Sports Message-Id: <01BDA5AC.4E275380@cmg71700449> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BDA5AC.4E307B40" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDA5AC.4E307B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, After all those postings connecting our favourite characters to music, = cars, football teams and drinks, I started wondering about sports. I = don't recall anyone on the liberator ever doing anything but running for = their lives when it came to this, but most of them seemed to be in = pretty good shape. So here's what I think they would have liked to do in = their time off: Jenna: racing Avon: battlechess (because you get to destroy your opponents pieces, so = they don't come back) Blake: rowing, with him holding that bullhorn-like thing Vila: I don't know, hang around in pubs, probably Cally: any team sports Gan: weightlifting I'd like to hear what you guys think. 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Message-ID: <91e60378.359b5f35@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-07-02 03:48:03 EDT, sueno45@hotmail.com writes: << Now, heck, I wouldn't want to even trying to censor anyone, or proclaim anyone a fiend. Perhaps I have mistaken honesty for cruelty- I have never of anyone being so lambasted in my entire short life. I have not read Queen: The Eye, but after reading the review, I am afraid to.<< Consider it a mercy to your pocketbook, your time and your tolerence. You've been saved from what is definitely an unpleasant experience, unless you 'like' stories where eyeballs are casually picked up from the floor and popped into someone's pocket...different strokes for different folks, y'know? >>On the other hand, I have not heard Trek fans even once criticize the great Shatner when he decided to go into writing the "Tekwar" series of books. And they sold a lot of them! Maybe Shatner has a ghostwriter- perhaps that is the secret! Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes Paul stuff a whole lot. I don't know. You guys are funny and entertaining as the B5 people! >> The answer is yes....Shatner's stuff is ghostwritten by a fairly well-known SF author. And yes, his fans sometimes berate the stuff, but not nearly as badly because the novels are readable. Leah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:27:15 +0100 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] vids Message-Id: <79822266MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Lisa Williams said: "Anything being sold from the US would be NTSC tapes, though, and hence not of much use to the Brits" Most new video players sold in the UK now do Pal and NTSC. I eventually bought tape 6 (Bounty and Deliverance) at Virgin in Bromley, but I was in Forbidden Planet in central London today and saw they now have it in stock. cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup ------------------------------ Date: 02 Jul 1998 15:38:10 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] vids Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk writes: > Most new video players sold in the UK now do Pal and NTSC. Almost. They grok NTSC, but what comes out of the VCR is known as PAL-60, since it's 60Hz rather than 50. Most reasonably modern TV sets understand PAL-60 just fine, but if you have an old one you're probably out of luck. A machine that can do *real* conversions from NTSC to PAL is a couple of orders of magnitude more expensive. -- Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:45:39 -0700 From: "Ann Basart" To: "Blake's7" , "Edith Spencer" Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Message-Id: <199807021343.GAA29239@mercury.dnai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a reader's review on Amazon.com about a Paul Darrow book. No astonishing cruelty to PD as an actor, but as an author, well ... : melodyc@qnet.com (Melody Clark) , 03/22/97 Avon: A Terrible Aspic, a mold of some gelatinous leftovers This novel (based on the brilliant British SF series Blake's 7) was written by Paul Darrow, the actor who played the role of "Avon" on Blake's 7. Mr Darrow is a complex, subtle actor. He brought to the character many, many levels. Avon clearly possessed kinder and gentler motives than he dared reveal, instead assuming the role of rivingly cynical logical savant, forced by apparent circumstances to be part of Blake's less-than-merry band of criminals-turned-freedom-fighters. So too Mr Darrow aspires toward better intentions with his novel, but falls utterly into aspic...a melange of suspect lineage, more vegetable matter than meat. It's not "terrible", in the popular sense, but more in the Elizabethan tradition whence the title derives. The plot is unwieldy, the prose oft times deadly, the character judgments highly suspect, and the astronomical and astrophysical suggestions frequently downright criminal. Still and all, he's a brilliant actor. I heartly recommend he spend his sparetime in other pursuits ---------- > From: Edith Spencer > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. > Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 12:39 AM > > > > To all: > Hello. I since joining this list, I have been mor careful of the > way I watch my B7 videos- and other shows in general! On another note, I > notice the astonishing cruelty the members seem to have towards the > writing style of... > Paul Darrow. > Now, heck, I wouldn't want to even trying to censor anyone, or > proclaim anyone a fiend. Perhaps I have mistaken honesty for cruelty- I > have never of anyone being so lambasted in my entire short life. I have > not read Queen: The Eye, but after reading the review, I am afraid to. > On the other hand, I have not heard Trek fans even once criticize the > great Shatner when he decided to go into writing the "Tekwar" series of > books. And they sold a lot of them! Maybe Shatner has a ghostwriter- > perhaps that is the secret! Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes > Paul stuff a whole lot. I don't know. You guys are funny and > entertaining as the B5 people! > > Edith Spencer > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:32:43 -0500 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Message-ID: <014801bda5ce$a8b2ad50$660114ac@misnt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Bizarro7@aol.com To: sueno45@hotmail.com ; blakes7@lysator.liu.se Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. > >>On the other hand, I have not heard Trek fans even once criticize the > great Shatner when he decided to go into writing the "Tekwar" series of > books. And they sold a lot of them! Maybe Shatner has a ghostwriter- > perhaps that is the secret! Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes > Paul stuff a whole lot. I don't know. You guys are funny and > entertaining as the B5 people! >> > >The answer is yes....Shatner's stuff is ghostwritten by a fairly well-known SF >author. And yes, his fans sometimes berate the stuff, but not nearly as badly >because the novels are readable. Michael Tobias helped ghost write the Tek books. Garfield and Judith Reeve-Stevens are acknowledged co-writers of his Star Trek books. The Tek books are good. The Star Trek books are wonderful. Shatner truly has a grip on what makes his character great. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:13:09 +0100 From: "Ian Lay" To: , "Blake's7" , "Edith Spencer" Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Message-ID: <01bda5cb$ec077de0$407a0439@Ian_Lay.es.lon.sita.int> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ann wrote: >Here's a reader's review on Amazon.com about a Paul Darrow book. No >astonishing cruelty to PD as an actor, but as an author, well ... : I've been woefully out of touch with stuff on the list recently because of other commitments. But obviously I have missed this. By the review date this book came out last year. Is it still available and where could I get a copy? And what is the full titile of the book. Is it worth reading? Is it better than Afterlife? Answers on an e-mail please. Thanks, Ian "I am Taz and I claim my five pounds" Lay //// :-) \\\\ Watford Internet Football Club Ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:23:05 EDT From: AChevron@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Message-ID: <70e0066f.359bc1fa@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit While I haven't read Darrow's book myself, I have seen a few excerpts from it which do seem rather...odorous. Also, I have seen enough postings by the folks here to believe that any critisisms, however harsh, are indeed based on honesty rather than malicious intent. By almost any standard, from what I gather, the book is just not worth the paper it's written on(even as I plan to purchase a copy next year). As far as Trek fans; was one myself, but have never understood the level of worship that the stars generated. OK, so the Great Bird was a womanizer, and Shatner thought too much of himself. That doesn't detract from the work they did, nor does it give them carte blanche to behave as they want without comment. One of the refreshing aspects of B7 is that the fans seem very open in discussing their favorite characters and actors, without becoming lost to the reality that the characters are fictional and the actors merely human. Nice post though, and hope the occasionally rough dialogue doesn't intimidate you. D. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:00:33 +0100 From: "Julie Horner" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Sports Message-ID: <004301bda5fc$8702ef20$ab5695c1@orac> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jacqueline Thijsen >After all those postings connecting our favourite characters to music, cars, >football teams and drinks, I started wondering about sports. I don't recall >anyone on the liberator ever doing anything but running for their lives when it >came to this, but most of them seemed to be in pretty good shape. So here's >what I think they would have liked to do in their time off: >Jenna: racing >Avon: battlechess (because you get to destroy your opponents pieces, so >they don't come back) >Blake: rowing, with him holding that bullhorn-like thing >Vila: I don't know, hang around in pubs, probably >Cally: any team sports >Gan: weightlifting >I'd like to hear what you guys think. Blake: Yes perhaps rowing, or maybe cricket - something fairly gentlemanly Avon: What about fencing - I can just see him holding that perfectly stiff-backed pose and staring his opponent unsmilingly straight in the eye Or what about snooker - if you call that a sport - I just think the formal clothes would suit his style. Or maybe even the noble art of boxing except one couldn't bear the thought of that lovely face getting smashed up and I suppose someone with his intelligence would not want to risk his brains getting scrambled so perhaps not. Vila: Darts Gan: Wrestling of course! Jenna: Swimming Cally; Something fairly virtuous but boring - like step, or whatever that dead boring thing is where you just get up and down off a low bench alot. Tarrant: Motor-racing. Though he might be tempted into football so that he could have models and Spice Girls for girlfriends. Dayna: Combat sports such as karate or judo Soolin: Well - shooting naturally - nothing where she would get hot and sweaty. Julie Horner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:56:25 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: [B7L] Vilas First And Only Puerile Attempt At Poetry Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Penny: >Vilaís First And Only Puerile Attempt At Poetry [snip] *giggles* good stuff! ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie mailto:nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "If I'm wrong you can say "I told you so", provided you speak loudly and quickly." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:27:28 -0500 (CDT) From: moconnor@escape.ca (Mary O'Connor) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Message-Id: <199807022127.QAA28905@wpg-01.escape.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In regards to 'Avon: A Terrible Aspect' Edith Spencer suggests; >Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes >Paul stuff a whole lot. I don't know. > > Edith Spencer > The story I heard, or maybe it was an excuse, It seems Paul had some fans read his story and make suggestions but rather than making their changes he sent the raw manuscript off to the publisher that was interested. Perhaps he felt it would just be torn apart by the publisher's editor and he could save time by just rewriting it once for the publisher. But, the book company chose to print the book from the raw manuscript without having any rewrites to fix it up. Bought the book, got it autographed, don't remember it much, probably won't read it again. But, I had a friend who was both Paul's Anna - able to bounce off the walls at will and giggle up a storm; and she was also very ambitious and her ambitions nearly wiped her out. I was always tempted to write the "Anna chapter" that Paul's book was crying out for. But, alas, I am not much of a writer. Mary O'Connor moconnor@escape.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 00:52:17 +0100 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: space-city@world.std.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Peladon Message-Id: <79829897MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Chris asked about Peladon 98 in Basildon which includes Jacqueline Pearce and Michael Keating among its guests and asks: "Sounds an ambitious line-up, obviously mainly Doctor Who. Does anyone know what the organisers' track record is like?" I have known about this event for a few weeks and I must admit I was little nervy about posting the details. The reason is that last year, the first Peladon, they put out flyers claiming B7 guests. It turned out these were not confirmed. I went to the event, which was a one day affair, and there was no B7 guests at it. When I saw the leaflet for this year, I was obviously suspicious. So I asked Diane Gies ( Horizon boss), who knew about lats year's con, and she checked up and got back to me confirming that JP and MK are really confirmed guests. So basically the event looks ok. The people who run it also do a lot of dealers fairs and they are a profit based organisation. Peladon also is at a sports centre not a hotel, so I don't know what the accomodation situation is. However, the guy who runs it (Lawrence) seems ok, and I've had a chat with him about having a stall for Redemption at Peladon on a swap with him having something similar at Peladon, and he seems keen though we haven't sorted out the details yet. cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:51:22 +0100 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Sports Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julie Horner wrote: > Blake: Yes perhaps rowing, or maybe cricket - something fairly > gentlemanly You people seem to have a funny idea about what rowing is. Blake is totally unsuited to it - he's constantly changing tack, has no idea how to sit back, bide his time and pick his moment. And he falls apart under sustained stress. When the going gets tough, Blake looks for the easy get-out clause (what else would you call Central and Star One?) Rowing is no death-or-glory sport. Nor, for that matter, is cricket, especially test-matches. Blake's sport is squash. Instant gratification, and the chance to thwack your opponent over head "by accident" if he happens to play better than you. > Avon: What about fencing - I can just see him holding that perfectly > stiff-backed pose and staring his opponent unsmilingly > straight in the eye. Or what about snooker - if you call > that a sport - I just think the formal clothes would suit > his style. The problem with fencing is that there is no time to plan - it's all reflexes and flair. Avon would hate it. Now rowing and cricket are Avon's games - strategic, thoughtful, and as much mental as physical. You're right about the snooker, though. You need real toughness to sit and watch, helpless, as your opponent makes a huge break. And then play just as agressively in the next frame. > Or maybe even the noble art of boxing except one couldn't > bear the thought of that lovely face getting smashed up > and I suppose someone with his intelligence would not > want to risk his brains getting scrambled so perhaps not. No, boxing is out for that very reason. > Vila: Darts ....or any other pub games. > Gan: Wrestling of course! Tug-o-war. Judo (now there's a scary thought). Gut-barging (with a little more training from Vila). > Jenna: Swimming With her hair? I think not - the chlorine would ruin it. She's a motocycle fiend (TT and Formula, not cross-country). Actually, Avon would love that too - all that leather and chrome. He'd go all wobbly (which is not much use to Jenna). > Cally; Something fairly virtuous but boring - like step, or whatever > that dead boring thing is where you just get up and down off > a low bench alot. Cally would do gymnastics. Which would enhance her tantric sex sessions enormously. I can see her playing shove-ha'penny with TK as well (oh no - that's B5 isn't it? :-). > Tarrant: Motor-racing. > Though he might be tempted into football so that he could > have models and Spice Girls for girlfriends. Tarrant strikes me as a drag-racer. He's not into this braking and cornering rubbish. Or maybe he drives Monster Trucks. Hey - it's a sport. Allegedly. > Dayna: Combat sports such as karate or judo Too tame. She'd pick some bastard offspring of Kung Fu and Nunjitsu. And then play with sharp edges and no armour. And biathlon (is that what I mean? Cross-country skiing interspersed with target shooting). After all, it's the closest you get to real hunting in an Olympic sport. > Soolin: Well - shooting naturally - nothing where she would get hot and > sweaty. She rules Quake. Uberfragmeister. And she doesn't even have to redo her hair afterwards. Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:39:19 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] vids Message-Id: <199807021947.OAA19591@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote: >Most new video players sold in the UK now do Pal and NTSC. I know, but why would you *want* to do NTSC if you've got PAL available? You're lucky at that; I had to call around all over the place before I finally found a source that could get a dual-format VCR for me. Most of 'em over here never heard of PAL, had no idea such a VCR existed. - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:52:12 +0100 From: "Kate Gordon" To: "Blakes 7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Sports Message-ID: <005f01bda5f3$10c00ea0$4fe107c3@doofer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- Jacqueline said To: "Ian Lay" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Message-Id: <199807021947.OAA19599@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ian Lay wrote: >By the review date this book came out last year. Is it still available and >where could I get a copy? And what is the full titile of the book. Is it >worth reading? Is it better than Afterlife? Came out in 1989, actually. Don't know about current availability, but there might be some remainders somewhere. Title: _Avon: A Terrible Aspect_. Worth reading? Erm, well, depends on what kind of "worth" you have in mind, I guess. Literature it isn't. If you want to see what happens when an actor turns his hand to trying to write fiction about a character he played, it might be worth a look. Actually, I think Darrow had some rather interesting ideas, but he should have done like Shatner and recruited a ghostwriter who could write. Compared to _Afterlife_? Well, I found Darrow's book somewhat entertaining in a purple-prosy, pulp-fiction sort of way, awful though it admittedly was. _Afterlife_ I found boring and unmemorable. Neither one is something I'd pick to be marooned on a desert island with. - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 02 Jul 1998 10:16:49 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII "Edith Spencer" writes: > Perhaps I have mistaken honesty for cruelty- Or maybe you're confusing comments on a piece of work with comments on the person? > I have never of anyone > being so lambasted in my entire short life. I have not read Queen: > The Eye, but after reading the review, I am afraid to. I haven't read that one either, but I have read (parts of, haven't managed to finish it yet) "Avon: a Terrible Aspect" and that one certainly sucks. It's badly written, and the characters and plot seems to have no relation to the TV series "Blake's 7" beyond coincidence of names. It is, quite honestly, one of the worst books I have ever read, and I have read thousands. Paul Darrow published books. Professionally. Books that people paid money for. If he can't take whatever comments the readers make, he shouldn't have done that. If anyone has been cruel to PD, it's the person at the publishing house who let him publish it. > On the other hand, I have not heard Trek fans even once criticize > the great Shatner when he decided to go into writing the "Tekwar" > series of books. Have you ever heard a trekkie criticise Shatner _at all_? I've even heard some of them defend Shatner's record (as in LP with music on it, for unusual definitions of "music"), and that one is *bad*. > And they sold a lot of them! Maybe Shatner has a ghostwriter- > perhaps that is the secret! He did. The ghostwriter in question is Ron Goulart, a fairly well known and highly competent SF and mystery writer. > Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes Paul stuff a whole lot. If so, that editor should be fired before he brings the publisher to bankrupcy! -- Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:37:53 -0400 From: DJ Wight To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Message-ID: <199807020738_MC2-51F3-D88D@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Edith writes, > On another note, I notice the astonishing cruelty the > members seem to have towards the writing style of... > Paul Darrow. > Now, heck, I wouldn't want to even trying to censor > anyone, or proclaim anyone a fiend. Astonishing cruelty? 'S a'right, I may be a bit groggy over the breakfast e-mail at the moment, but I don't infer anything censoring *or* censuring, here. > Perhaps I have mistaken honesty for cruelty- I have never > of anyone being so lambasted in my entire short life. It's more just a complete lack of reverence. No condemnation involved. > I have not read Queen: The Eye, but after reading the > review, I am afraid to. So would I be, but not necessarily because of PD having written it. He didn't write the game, and *its* reviews have been less than brilliant all on their own. > On the other hand, I have not heard Trek fans even once > criticize the great Shatner when he decided to go into > writing the "Tekwar" series of books. And they sold a lot of > them! Maybe Shatner has a ghostwriter- perhaps that is the > secret! Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes > Paul stuff a whole lot. I don't know The 'great' Shatner? I got my start as a fan on the fringes of ST:TOS, and even I wouldn't go that far. Can't speak for the quality of the Tekwar series or whether a ghost was involved, as nothing I've ever heard about them has been enough to inspire my buying them. Don't think I've ever seen them reviewed above 'ordinary'. But I wouldn't call the issue with A:ATA entirely about quality of writing, anyway. (It would appear to have its own eccentric charm, like a weird drug trip.) It's at least as much about PD's notion of Avon's character being dramatically at variance with a lot of (most?) fans', and...how can I put this? sadly, not a richer view. Remembering the first of his interviews I read---I basically sat there mind-boggled at what I was reading, for a few minutes, then began to laugh very hard. Finally shook my head and said, "Well, I guess this time I'm *not* going to be able to respect what the actor has to say about the character."---thinking back, oddly enough, to ST:TOS days, and the good fortune its' principals had had, never to be so at odds with their fandom over who their characters were. --DJ angnak@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:28:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Proteous1@webtv.net (wayne schrager) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] FYI Message-ID: <22927-359C41EB-2834@mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I no longer have saturday off so we will have to leave the party for me to go to work that night, but we will be there ! love you was ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:34:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Proteous1@webtv.net (wayne schrager) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Sorry Message-ID: <22927-359C4328-2859@mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Sorry all address error on my part please ignore the last message it was to a friend thank you wayne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:54:53 +1000 From: "Katrina Harkess" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Message-Id: <199807030315.NAA11594@extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > In regards to 'Avon: A Terrible Aspect' Edith Spencer suggests; > >Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes > >Paul stuff a whole lot. I don't know. > > I read it a few years ago and it just didn't seem to match the series. The character names were the same but the personalities? The setting even? It was disjointed to read as well. Hate to say it, but PD is a much much much better actor than author. On the other hand, it was interesting enough to read through - I'd borrow rather than buy. Katrina. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:35:00 +1000 (EST) From: Lisa Darby To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Fanzines in the National Library of Australia Message-Id: <199807030535.PAA25102@anugpo.anu.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi folks You may be interested to hear that the National Library of Australia has received a large donation of fanzines from Susan Smith-Clarke. There is an article about the donation in the library's newsletter as well as on the web at http://www.nla.gov.au/collect/s-clarke.html. The newsletter article is different and only mentions B7 in passing (the web article has more) but if anyone is interested I will transcribe it for you. Lisa Lisa Darby Librarian North Australia Research Unit PO Box 41321 Casuarina NT 0811 Australia lisa.darby@anu.edu.au Ph : +61 8 89220031 Fax : +61 8 89220055 http://online.anu.edu.au/naru/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:14:36 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D. Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu 02 Jul, Reuben Herfindahl wrote: > Michael Tobias helped ghost write the Tek books. Garfield and Judith > Reeve-Stevens are acknowledged co-writers of his Star Trek books. > > The Tek books are good. The Star Trek books are wonderful. Shatner truly > has a grip on what makes his character great. > Given that the few Star Trek books I have hung onto since discovering Blake's 7 include all the ones I had by Garfield and Judith Reeve-Stevens, I'm not surprised that Shatner's Trek books are good. If nothing else, he had good taste in co-writers. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 13:19:36 PDT From: "Edith Spencer" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Flag waving. Message-ID: <19980703201936.2739.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain To all- Over here in the United States of America, we will be doing our bit of patriotic flag waving tomorrow- a time of picnics, music, beer and fireworks being done by those who are fortunate enough to be off. I had put out a post stating that our(USA) patriotism and spirituality seemed a bit shallow, considering many of the problems that we have in the States ( no universal single payer health care, bad support of teachers, lack of funding for the arts)and that it seemed grimly reflected in B7's world. The question is, what was Blake fighting for, exactly? Everyone was drugged and dulled, but fed and perhaps reasonably taken care of. Was he rebelling against absolutely control ( from strength comes unity) at the expense of security? Did he expect others, in mass movement, would join him? Especially if they had bread and circuses? Your ( admittingly intelligent and insightful) thoughts, please. Edith Spencer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #182 **************************************