From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #156 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/156 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 156 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] The Web [B7L] Re: The tape saga continueth... RE: [B7L] The Web Re: [B7L] The Web Re: [B7L] The Web RE: [B7L] The Web [B7L] [B7] Aftermath [B7L] Gan Re: [B7L] Gan [B7L] The welcome to the newcomer [B7L] Re: avon Re: [B7L] Re: avon Re: [B7L] Re: avon [B7L] Re: avon [B7L] Terra Incognita Re: [B7L] Re: avon Re: [B7L] Re: avon [B7L] Fourth Season ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:15:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] The Web Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alison said: >Watching 'The Web' last night, my companion says 'Isn't that Gazza in the >little bottle?' And by gum he was right. No wonder Hoddle thinks he isn't >match fit. ;) Excellent!! >I enjoyed the episode - its a long time since I saw it last - but I am >puzzled about the script: it doesn't seem to have any logical >consistency. Umm.. This is 'Blake's 7' we're talking about... ;) >For example, they are sitting on the bridge discussing why they won't >tell Blake about the pursuit ships, and then not long afterwards Blake is >down on the planet telling Avon they have to hurry up before the pursuit >ships get there. I don't understand why they had the first scene at all. >It was as if two people had written the script without properly >discussing it with each other. Could this be another example of the great Nation/Boucher interface that was the first season? I gather Boucher had to write large sections of the later episodes because Nation wasn't going to get the episodes done in time: it's a bit odd this early in the season, tho'. My favourite bit of 'The Web' is where Jenna's voice goes all weird. Good stuff. BTW, Alison, you appear on *all* of my photos from Deliverance bar the one of Russ. And I *loved* the personality profiles. Una -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:20:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] Re: The tape saga continueth... Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Harriet said: >Una, can you give out the Fabulous Films phone number? Harriet, I've e-mailed it to you privately. I'd be grateful if you didn't mention my name as the guy was doing me a favour and I don't want him to feel hassled. >I couldn't care less whether my covers are shiny or not as long as >they're all the same. I've seen the two together and the difference is >going to show up if I have a mixture on my shelf. So far I happen to >have been getting shiny, but if they're going to be discontinued in >favour of non-shiny and Fab Films can do non-shiny covers for the earlier >ones I'll want those. I know what you mean. He didn't mention what the plans were for the picture on the side of the boxes from Season 2 onwards. It'd be interesting to know what they intend. Una ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:33:00 +-200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Lysator Subject: RE: [B7L] The Web Message-Id: <01BD8EF4.244E0820@cmg71700449> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >For example, they are sitting on the bridge discussing why they won't >tell Blake about the pursuit ships, and then not long afterwards Blake is >down on the planet telling Avon they have to hurry up before the pursuit >ships get there. I don't understand why they had the first scene at all. >It was as if two people had written the script without properly >discussing it with each other. Could this be another example of the great Nation/Boucher interface that was the first season? I gather Boucher had to write large sections of the later episodes because Nation wasn't going to get the episodes done in time: it's a bit odd this early in the season, tho'. [Jacqueline Thijsen] It's been a while since I last saw The Web, but didn't Avon tell Blake about the pursuit ships after he teleported to the surface? My favourite bit of 'The Web' is where Jenna's voice goes all weird. Good stuff. [Jacqueline Thijsen] Mine is where Cally hits Vila. Guess I have a bit of a mean streak ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:00:50 +0100 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] The Web Message-ID: <896886167.1019061.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > [Jacqueline Thijsen] It's been a while since I last saw The Web, but didn't Avon tell Blake about the pursuit ships after he teleported to the surface? You are almost certainly right, even though I only saw it a few hours ago. Nevertheless, it still doesn't explain why they had a whole scene devoted to why Blake should on no account be told. Another thing that irritated me was that when the women 'came back' from being possessed nobody told them what had happened or what was going on, they just had to figure it out for themselves. 'Are you Ok now Jenna?' 'Yes, why do you ask?' 'Oh.. nothing..' > [Jacqueline Thijsen] Mine is where Cally hits Vila. Guess I have a bit of a mean streak ;-) > I like Vila's cute baby hairdo Alison ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:53:20 +0100 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] The Web Message-ID: <896886164.1019044.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una said- > My favourite bit of 'The Web' is where Jenna's voice goes all weird. Good > stuff. Yes, her face was just right > BTW, Alison, you appear on *all* of my photos from Deliverance bar the one > of Russ. *sigh* the cheque is in the post, as long as you promise to burn the negatives. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:16:54 +0100 From: "Borg, Peter: IT (LDN)" To: Lysator Subject: RE: [B7L] The Web Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain As opposed to just cute baby Vila? :-) Peter. > ---------- > From: Alison Page[SMTP:alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 03 June 1998 16:00 > To: Lysator > Subject: Re: [B7L] The Web > > I like Vila's cute baby hairdo > > Alison > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:54:43 +0100 From: "Kate Gordon" To: "Blakes 7" Subject: [B7L] [B7] Aftermath Message-ID: <000b01bd8f10$66ccfa00$35e107c3@doofer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 17.34 and I've just put the T.V. on to be treated to a surprise B7 moment (running over some sand and down a man-hole cover). I was of course not surprised to realize it was just a few seconds of for the quiz show 'Todays the day'. It was described as a 'futuristic drama' and at least the guy recognised the show and said Blakes Seven!. Not bad- it must get a few million viewers so there may be a few more converts. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:13:22 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Gan Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 02 Jun, Ann Basart wrote: > Yes, I've felt like Joanne; new to the list and not as knowledgeable as the > "real" fans. Also, being in the US instead of the UK seems to limit the > range of books available to me. But the list, and the websites, are > helpful. Yes, Avon is sexy, Tarrant is pretty, etc. .. I'm glad to see that > you think Gan in undervalued, especially after having read how he's not > only undervalued but disliked by several commentators. You can get all the books you want these days. Professional books like 'Blake's 7 The Inside Story' can be bought from the on-line bookshops if you can't get them locally, and many UK fanzines can be bought via Linda Knights or Maverick Press. If you look under 'Merchandise' on my web page, we link to the on-line bookshops for the few Blake's 7 titles in print. If you look under 'Fanzines' there's loads of American zines available as well as UK imports. I'm the founder member of the Gan Defence League He was probably the most altruistic member of the crew (with the possible exception of Blake). 'Bounty' is a good episode to look at in this light. Liberator recieved a distress call from another ship. It could have been genuine - they had no way of knowing. Gan was the one who offered to go over to the other ship. GAN: They need help! AVON: Do they? GAN: Well, you heard him. AVON: It's not quite the same thing. JENNA: Avon's right. We need more information. GAN: Let me go across and get it. If it is a trap I'll warn you. Then Vila can open fire. VILA: With you on board? GAN: If necessary. VILA: You feeling all right? GAN: Fine. AVON: You would give the instruction for your own death -- you expect us to believe that? GAN: Yes. I expect you to believe that. It's an interesting exchange. Gan accepts that they might have to open fire with him still on board and he accepts that risk because he wishes to help people whom he believes to be in danger. Would any of the others have volunteered in such a situation? Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:14:39 EDT From: AChevron@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Gan Message-ID: <4ebb2b2e.35759290@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-06-03 13:03:37 EDT, you write: << He was probably the most altruistic member of the crew (with the possible exception of Blake). >> No exception, I think. Your quote from Bounty hit it on the head; even Blake would not have so readily risked himself without some better way of evaluating the risk or having a gain worth the risk. Look too at Pressure Point, where he runs behind Vila; his own chances would have been improved if he had run by himself, but the group's overall chances were improved(albiet slightly) with him running when he did. D. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:22:01 PDT From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] The welcome to the newcomer Message-ID: <19980603232202.28792.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Judith, thanks for the welcome. However, I'm one of the strange creatures who doesn't need reminding that Avon is sexy! Even though sometimes I want to kick him. Just sometimes. Vila, on those occasions, is the antidote to all that smug superiority and sarcasm. I differ from Servalan in that a universe without Avon and _Vila_ is not worth contemplating. Yes, Gan is undervalued, the jury is still out as to whether or not Gareth Thomas is adorable (I like him, but not to the extent that Judith does), and Tarrant is prettier than I am, which is why I have a bit of trouble with him. My apologies to the members of the Tarrant Nostra - maybe I'll learn to appreciate his talents one day. Regards Jo MacQueen Curtsey while you're thinking what to say. It saves time. -- Lewis Carroll. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 19:38:13 PDT From: "Todd Girdler" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, j_macqueen@hotmail.com Subject: [B7L] Re: avon Message-ID: <19980604023813.24593.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain >However, I'm one of the strange creatures who doesn't need reminding >that Avon is sexy! Even though sometimes I want to kick >him. >Jo MacQueen Does anyone agree with me that avon looked better during the last season with that new hairstyle. Before that, I think he looked like a pratt. -Todd- "If the sum of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the square of the other two sides, why is a mouse when it spins?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:12:54 EDT From: Bizarro7@aol.com To: toddgirdler@hotmail.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se, j_macqueen@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: avon Message-ID: <729e48d9.357610b7@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-06-03 22:39:48 EDT, toddgirdler@hotmail.com writes: << Does anyone agree with me that avon looked better during the last season with that new hairstyle. Before that, I think he looked like a pratt. >> Nope. I thought he looked younger and cuter in Series 1-3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:02:35 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: avon Message-ID: <35761C52.63AA@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Girdler wrote: > > >However, I'm one of the strange creatures who doesn't need reminding > >that Avon is sexy! Even though sometimes I want to kick > >him. > >Jo MacQueen > > Does anyone agree with me that avon looked better during the last season > with that new hairstyle. Before that, I think he looked like a pratt. > > -Todd- I don't quite agree with the prat part, :^/ but he did look better with longer fluffier hair. --Avona ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:53:37 EDT From: StefiAB@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: avon Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Todd wrote: > Does anyone agree with me that avon looked better during the last season > with that new hairstyle. Before that, I think he looked like a pratt. I don't think Avon EVER looked like a pratt. I personally prefer the season 2 and first half of season 3 Avon. I never have cared for the studs and black leather look. I totally drool for him in tight black pants, knee high boots, and black shirts ("Aftermath" and "Voice >From the Past" come to mind). Except for "Warlord" I didn't care for Avon's look in Season 4. But I think that has more to do with his costumes than his hair. He's got great hair and I like both styles. He was extremely sexy in "Powerplay" even though his hair was a mess throughout. :) He stole the show in "Spacefall" the moment he appeared on the screen. Avon look like a pratt??? NEVER!!!! Stefanie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:42:26 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Terra Incognita Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Looks as though Gareth won't be at Terra Incognita after all. It's the same weekend as the Neutral Zone sumer party and Neutral Zone is his favourite convention. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:22:28 +0100 From: "Jenni-Alison" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: avon Message-Id: <199806040917.LAA03003@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd asked: > > Does anyone agree with me that avon looked better during the last season > with that new hairstyle. Before that, I think he looked like a pratt. > > -Todd- Actually I preferred him in season 2/3. I though in Season 4 he looked a bit too "Dallas" for my taste - Airbrushed, over-made up, fluffy hair. I found the pale faces and badly cut hair in the earlier seasons to be much more convincing for the situation they were all in. Jenni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:33:58 +0100 (BST) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: avon Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Jenni-Alison wrote: > Todd asked: > > > > Does anyone agree with me that avon looked better during the last season > > with that new hairstyle. Before that, I think he looked like a pratt. > > > > -Todd- > > Actually I preferred him in season 2/3. I though in Season 4 he looked a > bit too "Dallas" for my taste - Airbrushed, over-made up, fluffy hair. I > found the pale faces and badly cut hair in the earlier seasons to be much > more convincing for the situation they were all in. Ah, but look at Dorian. It's fairly obvious that Xenon base (or perhaps Scorpio itself) had a state-of-the-art Autohairdresser and Robobeautytherapist. After three seasons of dashing around in an alien spacecraft, being shot, beaten, tortured, blown up and attacked by mystical cosmic superbeings, I guess the temptation was just too great. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:36:56 +0100 (BST) From: Rob Clother To: B7 mailing list Subject: [B7L] Fourth Season Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there: I've just resubscribed to the list -- I subscribe for a week or so every couple of months, so some of you might remember my postings. Anyway, hope I'm not going over material that's already been hacked to death in my absence -- standard disclaimer blah blah blah. Anyway, there's only a week to go before our heroes get zapped, and I have to say that I've been pretty disappointed with the fourth season so far. Of the episodes I've seen, only two were worth writing home about: Traitor and Gold. I missed Sand and Headhunter, which are supposed to be quite watchable, but the rest were way below the standard set by the first three seasons. As for the golden turkey award, I'd say that's richly deserved by Assassin. Cancer was very unconvincing in her alter ego, and nothing short of laughable as a villainess. Even Servalan, upon whom you can *always* rely for a good old-fashioned bit of cold-blooded evil, acted out of character at the end. And do the BBC really believe they can generate a tense, threatening atmosphere by shaking some peas around in a tin can? Yuck! The usual target for assassination is Animals, which is, as I see it, a little unfair. Despite the silly scenes with Dayna and Justin, it did have its redeeming features, such as the well-written and sinister dialogue between Servalan and Ardus. At least the writers made a token attempt to recognise B7's Orwellian origins. Orbit is often praised for the dramatic confrontation between Avon and Vila, and I can't fault that -- that look that Vila gave Avon in the final scene turned everything on its head. But why were we subjected to those ridiculous scenes with Egrorian? These were characteristic of a great deal of Season Four -- they looked like rejects from a particularly cheesy episode of Doctor Who. At least Warlord was aiming in the right direction, and by then Soolin had very much come into character. Tarrant had become ineffectual by then, and Avon was beginning to recognise Soolin as a threat -- both as an intellectual rival and a superior fighter. It's a shame they didn't go ahead with a fifth season, just to see that relationship develop. Anyway, as I was saying about Warlord, despite the attempt to rediscover the spirit of B7, the episode was (IMO, of course) hampered by a very poor performance from Zukan. Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing Blake -- and I hope lots of people disagree strongly with what I've said! Cheers, Rob -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #156 **************************************