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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 134

Today's Topics:
	 [B7L] start one war, other help.
	 Re: [B7L] One for the weekend...
	 RE: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
	 Re: [B7L] one for the weekend 
	 Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
	 Fw: [B7L] IMIPAC
	 Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
	 Re: [B7L] One for the weekend...
	 Re: [B7L] One for the weekend...
	 Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
	 Re: [B7L] The vacationer returns (long)
	 Re: [B7L] One for the weekend...
	 Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
	 [B7L] Re: Liberator insurance application
	 Re: [B7L]: Drink colours (was Liberator design fault)
	 Re: [B7L] B7-B5 links
	 RE: [B7L]: Drink colours (was Liberator design fault)
	 RE: [B7L] B7-B5 links
	 RE: [B7L]: Drink colours (was Liberator design fault)
	 Re: [B7L] one for the weekend
	 Re: [B7L] IMIPAC
	 [B7L] Ashton Press Zines, Website
	 [B7L] You Wondrous People!!!
	 [B7L] B7 Web Ring Administrator...
	 [B7L] Another new B7 zine
	 [B7L] Well, now...
	 [B7L] [B7] Fandoms
	 RE: [B7L] Well, now...
	 Re: [B7L]: Drink Colours (was Liberator design fault)
	 Re: [B7L] Well, now...
	 Re: [B7L]: Drink Colours (was Liberator design fault)
	 [B7L] Way, way off topic.  OS wars related
	 Re: [B7L]: Drink Colours (was Liberator design fault)

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Date: Thu, 07 May 98 02:40:33 BST
From: pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick Bean)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] start one war, other help.
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It would have been nice to have seen the people from 'space world' involved in
the inter-galactic war, after all it was there galaxy as well. A few of the
small ships that attacked the Liberator in 'Redemption' could have done a lot
of damage. But then again if it had been to easy a win the federation would not
have been damaged enough. 

Just out of interest, has any fan fiction been written involving 'space world'?

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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:13:48 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] One for the weekend...
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On Thu, 7 May 1998, Jay McGuigan wrote:

> 
> ---Una McCormack  wrote:
> >
> > OK, here's a nice retentive game for the weekend.
> > 
> > In which episodes of B7 is the *entire* episode title spoken, fully,
> > correctly, and without being mangled?
> > 
> Okay, I'll have a go.  Off the top of my head here's a few.  These are
> probably the most blatantly obvious ones, but I only have a few tapes
> to work with <g>.
> 
> "Project Avalon"
> "Trial"
> "Star One"
> "Gold"
> "Blake"
> 
> And I'm not totally sure about, but I think:
> 
> "Duel"
> "Terminal"
> "Orbit"
> 

Surely also

"Cygnus Alpha"
"Deliverance"
"Orac"
"Redemption"
"Shadow"
"Weapon"
"Horizon"
"Countdown"
"Volcano"
"City on the Edge of the World"
"Sarcophagus"
"Ultraworld"
"Deathwatch"
"Moloch"
"Power"
"Stardrive"
"Animals"
"Assassin"
"Games"
"Sand"

I'm not entirely sure about "Ultraworld", but I have no intention of
watching it again just to find out.

By the way, Una, did you mean "rententive" as in retentive memory, or in
some more psychoanalytic sense?

Iain

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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:50:10 +-200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
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-----Original Message-----
From:	Julie Horner [SMTP:julie@ipsys.co.uk]
Sent:	Thursday, May 07, 1998 9:46 AM
To:	abasart@dnai.com
Cc:	blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject:	Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault


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From abasart@dnai.com Wed May  6 15:42 BST 1998
From: "Ann Basart" <abasart@dnai.com>

>Not just seatbelts: where does the crew eat? how do they prepare their
>food? ...but I'd love to have the Liberator, nonetheless.

----- End Included Message -----

Difference is we KNOW they don't have seatbelts because
we see the effects - though I assume seatbelts were non-standard
in Federation ships too as I don't remember any of the crew
saying:

"Hey look at this death-trap it has no seatbelts,
Avon you had better design some" 

(Though hang on I think
they probably did have something of the sort in the London)

However, we don't actually know they have no facilities
for dining and cooking, just that they are never shown.
I guess the writers thought we wouldn't be interested in
such everyday matters but I find that strange because
for me food is a passion and I like to speculate what
they would eat.

Does anyone know of fan-fic that covers this subject
- apart from the excellent Cheeseboard which I have
already read?

Julie Horner

At the Star Trek convention someone asked one of the stars (Kate Mulgrew) where the toilet was on the voyager. The answer was "I'm still looking for it myself". Do you think all crews of spaceships go on shoreleave all the time just so they can go to the can?

Jacqueline Thijsen

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Date: Thu, 07 May 98 18:37:46 BST
From: pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick Bean)
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> In which episodes of 87 is the *entire* episode title spoken;
ok.

Sygnes Alpha, The Web, Duel, Project Avalon, bounty*, Deliverance, Orac,
Redemption, Shadow, Weapon*, Horizon, Trial*, Countdown*, star one, Volcano,
Harvest of Kirios, City at the edge of the world, Ultraworld, Moloc,
death-watch, Terminal, animals, stardrive, assassin*, gold, Blake,

The ones woth stars. the title was only used only as part of the phrase, as in
'Bounty hunters'    

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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:53:29 -0500
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
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Subject: Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
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-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor, Steve [MIS] <S.Taylor@lmu.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault


>Julie said:
>
> ->However, we don't actually know they have no facilities
> ->for dining and cooking, just that they are never shown.
> ->I guess the writers thought we wouldn't be interested in
> ->such everyday matters but I find that strange because
> ->for me food is a passion and I like to speculate what
> ->they would eat.
> ->
>
>On the same lines - why are drinks in SF programs always silly colours
>like green?
>
>Pan galactic Gargleblasters in Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy for
>example I think are gree/blue?
>
It would appear that in most SF's vision of the future, beer doesn't exist
anymore.  Given that, imagine if bars or clubs didn't serve beer an all you
knew about alcohol was what you saw people getting served.  Let's also
factor the semi-alcoholic bar regulars that just sit at the bar and drink,
they seem to rarely exist in televised SF.  So what your left with is the
maybe once a week or even once a month or less bar visitors.  Even in
today's bars/clubs this crowd is the one most likely to order a fruity drink
(like a margarita) or something colorful, lime Vodka, a weaker mixed drink
(sex on the beach, raspberry kamies, etc..).  So maybe the presumption is
not a bad one (okay, it works for colors, not so much green/blue, etc...)

Reuben
recovering barkeeper

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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:10:40 +0100
From: "Kate Gordon" <kateg@ndirect.co.uk>
To: "Blakes 7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Fw: [B7L] IMIPAC
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On the subject of fan clubs... I was a LPF member ( and remember proudly =
covering my membership card with a gold stickers saying 'year 1,2,3,4 =
etc).But whatever happened to Orac-LE? I never did understand what those =
2  letters meant.Ah...  those hazy crazy days of the 80's when there =
were more B7 fan clubs than I knew what to do with...and the Beeb used =
to send you wad loads of information in huge brown envelopes...
Kate Gordon

>Was anyone on this list ever a member of Imipac? It was a UK B7 fan =
club in the 80s run >by Chris Clarke, I think, I was a member by =
correspondence from here in New Zealand....
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:46:38 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
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Reuben Herfindahl wrote:

> >
> >On the same lines - why are drinks in SF programs always silly colours
> >like green?
> >
> >Pan galactic Gargleblasters in Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy for
> >example I think are gree/blue?
> >
> It would appear that in most SF's vision of the future, beer doesn't exist
> anymore.  Given that, imagine if bars or clubs didn't serve beer an all you
> knew about alcohol was what you saw people getting served.  Let's also
> factor the semi-alcoholic bar regulars that just sit at the bar and drink,
> they seem to rarely exist in televised SF.  So what your left with is the
> maybe once a week or even once a month or less bar visitors.  Even in
> today's bars/clubs this crowd is the one most likely to order a fruity drink
> (like a margarita) or something colorful, lime Vodka, a weaker mixed drink
> (sex on the beach, raspberry kamies, etc..).  So maybe the presumption is
> not a bad one (okay, it works for colors, not so much green/blue, etc...)
> 
> Reuben
> recovering barkeeper

Okay, it depends....
In Red Dwarf they drink beer, well, mostly lager.

Pangalactic Gargleblasters, if memory serves are made from fermented
garbage among nastier things. Green is perhaps representative of the
color a humanoid would turn after drinking it.

In Blake's 7, I believe Dorian stocked red wine. (at least in the
novelization-- I don't remeber whether it was seen or not). Adrenaline
and soma is not alcohol. I have no idea what color adrenaline is, and
soma is usually dispensed as white tablets. Sounds like a useful
painkiller, I'm not sure if you can absorb adreneline through drinking
(anyone know?) and I certainly don't think it would naturally be bright
green, but considering we're talking about medical substances, perhaps
they've been colored to make it easy to grab the right vial when you've
got a first aid emergency on hand.
Why anyone besides the crew of the Liberator, who had no alcohol on
board, would drink such a concoction is beyond me... who knows what
those other green drinks might have been? Maybe Servalan shot Hal
Mellanby because she didn't trust his green beverages.

--Helen, A.S.K.S.

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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:13:46 +0100
From: "Ian Lay" <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: "Jay McGuigan" <dsv2@yahoo.com>, "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] One for the weekend...
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Jat wrote:


>Okay, I'll have a go.  Off the top of my head here's a few.  These are
>probably the most blatantly obvious ones, but I only have a few tapes
>to work with <g>.
>
>"Project Avalon"
>"Trial"
>"Star One"
>"Gold"
>"Blake"



Alll correct.

>
>And I'm not totally sure about, but I think:
>
>"Duel"
>"Terminal"
>"Orbit"
>


And also correct.

Add these for good measure:

Cygnus Alpha, Deliverence, Orac, Shadow, Weopen, Horizon,  Hostage,
Countdown (I think), The Keeper, Star One, Volcano, The Harvest of Kairos,
City at the edge of the World, Ultraworld, Moloch, Deathwatch, Stardrive,
Animals, Assassin,  Games, Sand.

There may be more... but I'd have to double check.

Take care,

-------------------------------------------------------------
Ian "We are champions, mate" Lay
///
:-)
\\\
Watford Internet Football Club
ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or
wifc@wfc.net

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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:29:41 +0100
From: "Ian Lay" <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: "Iain Coleman" <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>,
        "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] One for the weekend...
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Iain wrote:


<snip>

>Surely also


<snip>

>"Sarcophagus"

Not sure about that one.  Can't remember the part where it says that.  But
you may be right.

>I'm not entirely sure about "Ultraworld", but I have no intention of
>watching it again just to find out.

Be sure... it is definately mentioned.

Take care,

-------------------------------------------------------------
Ian "We are champions, mate" Lay
///
:-)
\\\
Watford Internet Football Club
ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or
wifc@wfc.net

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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 10:45:25 +1000
From: Bill Billingsley <whb@bha.oz.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
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At 10:22 7/05/98 +0100, Steve Taylor wrote:
>Julie said:
>
> ->However, we don't actually know they have no facilities
> ->for dining and cooking, just that they are never shown.
> ->I guess the writers thought we wouldn't be interested in
> ->such everyday matters but I find that strange because
> ->for me food is a passion and I like to speculate what
> ->they would eat.
> ->
>
>On the same lines - why are drinks in SF programs always silly colours
>like green?
>
>Pan galactic Gargleblasters in Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy for
>example I think are gree/blue?
>

Midori's green.  Sambuca comes in black, white, green, blue and red.  So
what's the problem with an alcoholic drink in one of those colours in an
s.f. series?



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The Loch Mess Monster
(occasionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley)

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 02:09:56 +0100
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The vacationer returns (long)
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I scribbled:
> >He means a Fiat Punto. Sounds like a drop-kick of a car, is a drop-kick
> >of a car.

Rhonda S obviously went to the Other place:
> Thanks for clearing that up.  I like your comparison, but perhaps it
> would float like a boat and could be used with some poles to race during
> spring quarter at Oxford ...;-)

I think you'll find they're much better suited to a trip round Dead Man's
Corner, down to Grantchester Meadows for breakfast. (student breakfast, of
course - a.k.a. a late lunch)*.

And you'll need one with a sunroof. Otherwise you'd have to lean out the
windows and paddle, and that would be called a Fiat Canoeo.


Tom Forsyth.



* This joke copyright E. Pringle/Watts.

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 02:13:57 +0100
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] One for the weekend...
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Ian Lay writes:
> Jat wrote:
> 
> >Okay, I'll have a go.  Off the top of my head here's a few.  These are
> >probably the most blatantly obvious ones, but I only have a few tapes
> >to work with <g>.
> >
> >"Project Avalon"
> >"Trial"
> >"Star One"
> >"Gold"
> >"Blake"
> 
> Alll correct.

[and then a load of others]

Wouldn't it be easier to do this the other way round? I'll start:

The Way Back (though "the way back" is said in Rescue)
Space Fall
Time Squad
Seek-Locate-Destroy
("duel" is only mentioned once in Duel, suprisingly)


So, that's the first half of season 1 done. It's far too easy with a
grepper, of course. With the caveat that if they put a new line between the
words I won't spot it - I have yet to reformat a decent number of the
transcripts.


Tom Forsyth.


P.S. No, the word "sarcophagus" is never actually used, since people were
asking.

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 01:08:28 +0100
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
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Steve had an important question:
> On the same lines - why are drinks in SF programs always silly colours
> like green?
> 
> Pan galactic Gargleblasters in Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy for
> example I think are gree/blue?

Only till the first slurp. Then they are black with little stars or small
tweeting birds.


Tom Forsyth.

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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:15:21 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Liberator insurance application
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The Loch Mess Monster wrote:
>Insurer: Good afternoon, Federal Insurance Agency.  How can I help you?
[etc]

I hope there'll be a sequel to this re Scorpio...

Harriet

PS Good to see you, Christine!

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:26:22 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]: Drink colours (was Liberator design fault)
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Steve T:
>On the same lines - why are drinks in SF programs always silly colours
>like green?

Now that I don't know. Perhaps all the "sensible" colours for juice (like
orange) have been banned due to their effect on the behaviour of futuristic
children?

>Pan galactic Gargleblasters in Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy for
>example I think are gree/blue?

That would be because the drink has a silly name :-) Couldn't give a drink
a name like that and have it boring old clear'n'fizzy, now could we?
Many exotic cocktails are weird colours. I have a photo somewhere of me at
a table in the Hard Rock Cafe in Sydney, with a bright blue concoction in
front of me. Shame I can't remember what was in it...
ttfn, Nicola

---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz

The early bird catches the worm. If you'd prefer something else for
breakfast, get up later.

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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:18:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: moconnor@escape.ca (Mary O'Connor)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] B7-B5 links
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Harriet wrote:
>Sheridan has an ex-wife called ANNA whom he believes to be dead, BUT she
>suddenly reappears and turns out to be not quite what she seemed...
>
This episode of B5 devastated me when I saw it. I had missed an episode
here and there and did not know that there was a fleet of White Star ships.
So, watching the White Star blow up was was like watching the Liberator
blow up. Then the hero (male lead) by the end of the show is as good as
dead - or - how does he get out of that one?

This one episode of B5 reminded me of:
Rumours of Death, Terminal, and Blake.

Mary O'Connor
moconnor@escape.ca

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:36:57 +1200
From: "Graham, Gregory" <GrahamG@agresearch.cri.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L]: Drink colours (was Liberator design fault)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Nicola Collie [SMTP:nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz]
> Sent:	Friday, May 08, 1998 1:26 PM
> To:	B7-list
> Subject:	Re: [B7L]: Drink colours (was Liberator design fault)
> 
> Steve T:
> >On the same lines - why are drinks in SF programs always silly
> colours
> >like green?
> 
> Now that I don't know. Perhaps all the "sensible" colours for juice
> (like
> orange) have been banned due to their effect on the behaviour of
> futuristic
> children?
> 
> >Pan galactic Gargleblasters in Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy for
> >example I think are gree/blue?
> 
> That would be because the drink has a silly name :-) Couldn't give a
> drink
> a name like that and have it boring old clear'n'fizzy, now could we?
> Many exotic cocktails are weird colours. I have a photo somewhere of
> me at
> a table in the Hard Rock Cafe in Sydney, with a bright blue concoction
> in
> front of me. Shame I can't remember what was in it...
> 
Must have been good if you can't remember :]

I used to worry about SF drinks as well, but then I became a University
Student and start drinking Advocat.  Sickly pale yellow.  Water with
blue food colouring in a twisty bottle seems alot more sensible.  What
worries me now is Vila drank Dorian's wine from a frosted milk bottle.
Does this mean that Xenon had home delivery??

Nicola's probably right about the PGB colour.  Most SF drinks would
probably be white spirit with food colouring as a marketing ploy like
they do with pebbles/M&Ms/smarties.  By stardate XXXX they have
perfected the white whiskey and totally clear beer (Aussies leading the
pack on this one :]) and the brewers are rushing to market with a
spectrum of  <b>_NEW_ & _IMPROVED_</b> versions of Johnny Walker.  You
could probably chose a Bacardi to match your eyes on Space City :]

Amazing! what will they think of next...

"Coffee anyone? I've got Stewarts new Golden Roast.  It's piping hot,
you can tell by the Tangerine color..."

> ===============================================
>              "The facts, though interesting, are irrelevant"
> ===============================================
>           EvangeList, http://www.evangelist.macaddict.com/
> 
ps apologies for the shouting, advertising cliches sort of require it.

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:40:55 +1200
From: "Graham, Gregory" <GrahamG@agresearch.cri.nz>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] B7-B5 links
Message-ID: <710458B7BCD3D011897D0000F8003AB791D9EE@invex.agresearch.cri.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain

> Harriet wrote:
> >Sheridan has an ex-wife called ANNA whom he believes to be dead, BUT
> she
> >suddenly reappears and turns out to be not quite what she seemed...
> >
> This episode of B5 devastated me when I saw it. I had missed an
> episode
> here and there and did not know that there was a fleet of White Star
> ships.
> So, watching the White Star blow up was was like watching the
> Liberator
> blow up. Then the hero (male lead) by the end of the show is as good
> as
> dead - or - how does he get out of that one?
> 
> This one episode of B5 reminded me of:
> Rumours of Death, Terminal, and Blake.
> 
> Mary O'Connor
> moconnor@escape.ca
> 
Wasn't the Titanic part of the White Star Line?  Is this another in
joke.  The original is doomed but the fleet, like the Great Eastern,
goes on.   (Hmmm some more soma? certainly, make mine a double)


TTFN
Greg

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:51:46 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L]: Drink colours (was Liberator design fault)
Message-Id: <l0313030bb1783c29c99f@[139.80.16.149]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi Greg! <waves> you _still_ here? I thought you must've inflicted yourself
on dear ol' Blighty by now. :-)
me:
>> Many exotic cocktails are weird colours. I have a photo somewhere of
>> me at
>> a table in the Hard Rock Cafe in Sydney, with a bright blue concoction
>> in
>> front of me. Shame I can't remember what was in it...


>Must have been good if you can't remember :]

Hmmph. Led with my chin on that one. :-\

>I used to worry about SF drinks as well, but then I became a University
>Student and start drinking Advocat.  Sickly pale yellow.  Water with
>blue food colouring in a twisty bottle seems alot more sensible.  What
>worries me now is Vila drank Dorian's wine from a frosted milk bottle.
>Does this mean that Xenon had home delivery??

Sounds jolly good to me. If I recall high school French correctly, it is
possible to get home delivered vin ordinaire (and maybe even vin
not-so-ordinaire) en France. A most civilized custom.

>By stardate XXXX

Why's he picked this date, I ask myself ;-)

>they have
>perfected the white whiskey and totally clear beer (Aussies leading the
>pack on this one :])

*cackle*

>  You
>could probably chose a Bacardi to match your eyes on Space City :]
>
>Amazing! what will they think of next...
>
>"Coffee anyone? I've got Stewarts new Golden Roast.  It's piping hot,
>you can tell by the Tangerine color..."

Interestingly, the juxtaposition of these two ideas immediately made me
think of the Robert Timms Exotic Blends ad. The one with the lass with two
different eyes.
ttfn, Nicola

---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz

The early bird catches the worm. If you'd prefer something else for
breakfast, get up later.

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 20:55:15 +1000
From: Ross Mallett <hawkeye@bluedog.apana.org.au>
To: blake7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] one for the weekend
Message-Id: <v03110700b1788f02e471@[202.12.90.67]>
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Hewre's my take on it:

Episode name		Who said it
--------------------  -------------------------------------
03.Cygnus Alpha		Blake
05.The Web		Blake,Jenna
08.Duel			Travis
09.Project Avalon	Travis,Servalan
11.Bounty		Gan,Jenna
12.Deliverance		Avon
13.Orac			Blake,Vila,Avon,Servalan,Cally
14.Redemption		Blake
15.Shadow		Jenna,Blake,Avon
16.Weapon		Servalan,Blake,Travis
17.Horizon		Zen,Blake,cally,Avon
22.Countdown		Blake
25.The Keeper		Avon,Travis,Jenna
26.Star One		Servalan,Blake,Jenna,Avon,Cally,Vila,Orac

29.Volcano		Dayna,Tarrant,Cally,Vila
31.Harvest of Kairos	Zen
32.City at the Edge of the World
			Tarrant
36.Ultraworld		Avon,Dayna
37.Moloch		Servalan
39.Terminal             Zen,Tarrant,Avon,Cally,Servalan
40.Rescue               Avon
41.Power                Avon,Orac
43.Stardrive            Orac
44.Animals              Dayna,Servalan
46.Assassin             Dayna
47.Games                Avon,Orac
48.Sand                 Avon,Tarrant,Servalan,Dayna
49.Gold                 Avon,Tarrant,Vila,Dayna
50.Orbit                Soolin
52.Blake              	Vila,Tarrant,Dayna,Avon,Blake


In addition there is *one* episode in which the title is spoken but not by
a regular character.

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:30:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] IMIPAC
Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.96.980508122835.7527A-100000@umm-pc.jims.cam.ac.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Lucas said:

>Was anyone on this list ever a member of Imipac? It was a UK B7 fan club
>in the 80s run by Chris Clarke, I think, I was a member by correspondence 
>from here in New Zealand....

My brother was a member of IMIPAC - I still have many of his IMIPAC
newsletters, including one which he transcribed by hand: he was so hard-up
at the time that he couldn't afford the membership and actually *wrote
out* someone else's copy!!

If you have any IMIPAC n/ls, I'm sure Sarah Thompson would like a word
with you...! ;)


Una
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 07:20:34 EDT
From: Bizarro7 <Bizarro7@aol.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, space-city@world.std.com
Subject: [B7L] Ashton Press Zines, Website
Message-ID: <65ebb37d.3552ea83@aol.com>
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Hi, all. I've updated my web pages yet again.

The link for upcoming BLAKES 7 zines is now live and it contains color
pictures of the covers for Southern 7 #11 *and* Southern 7 #12, along with
some blurbs about the scheduled contents. Check it out and let us know what
you think!

I've also added a bunch more Anaheim convention pictures, mainly of Adrian
Paul, Jim Burns and Peter Wingfield, but some other stuff besides. I've
updated the links page *and* Revelations #1, the all adult, all Methos zine is
now available for sale. There's a link to a page for it, like usual. Also, the
pages for Then the Night Comes and The Lightning's Hand now have some more
color artwork gracing them. Visit us at:
http://members.aol.com/ashton7/ashton.htm

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:57:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] You Wondrous People!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.96.980508125529.7623A-100000@umm-pc.jims.cam.ac.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

OK, so I can't remember who first recommended it, but whoever *did* first
recommend Green and Black's Maya Gold dark chocolate - you are a God(dess) 
and I love you! ;)


Una
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 07:51:27 EDT
From: Bizarro7 <Bizarro7@aol.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: space-city@world.std.com
Subject: [B7L] B7 Web Ring Administrator...
Message-ID: <8d1a5f37.3552f1c0@aol.com>
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Is there some kind of problem getting e-mail to your server? We keep trying to
send you an e-mail and it's coming back every time, announcing that the
message has gone through too many 'bounces' to be transmitted.

Thanks.

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:27:58 EDT
From: Mac4781 <Mac4781@aol.com>
To: space-city@world.std.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Another new B7 zine
Message-ID: <4a70694c.3553085f@aol.com>
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Jo Ann McCoy asked me to let people know that Maverick Press will have
another new B7 zine at Media West.

COMA NIGHTS by Willa Shakespeare is an adult B7 parody that pairs
Avon with nearly everyone.  Cover by Val Westall.  $10 at MediaWest.
Available by mail after the con.  Contact Jo Ann at tasha@ris.net

Carol Mc

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:29:28 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Well, now...
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980508142539.23326B-100000@bsauasc>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Another trivia question (this just came up in an email exchange).

How many times in the series does Avon use his catchprase "Well, now... "?

I don't intend anybody to go counting them all for me, I just thought this
must be the kind of thing that somebody, somewhere has been sad^H^H^H
dedicated enough to have figured out at some point, and they might still
have the answer at their fingertips.

cheers,
Iain

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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 20:32:49 +0500
From: Senaka Rajapakse <senaka@doctormail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] [B7] Fandoms
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980508202929.006a0a74@sri.lanka.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Here is a list of fiction I'm crazy about!
They all have something of that special quality - you know what I mean -
that typifies Blakes 7.

Blake's 7 (the best and the greatest)

and, in no particular order...........

Star Wars trilogy
Star Trek
Star Trek - TNG
The A Team
The Twilight Zone
Shades of Darkness
Who pays the Ferryman
All Creatures great and small - book and TV series- James Herriot
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century
Yes, Minister (and Prime Minister)
Captain Blood (3 books of historical romance by Rafael Sabatini)
The Four Just Men (Book by Edgar Wallace)
The Sanders adventures by Edgar Wallace
All Sherlock Holmes stories


Senaka


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Department of Clinical Medicine
Faculty of Medicine
University of Colombo
Tel 503333
Fax 689188

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:38:50 +0100 
From: "Borg, Peter: IEG" <peter.borg@barclayscapital.com>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
        "'Iain Coleman'"
	 <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Well, now...
Message-ID: <F5717FE0AD18D1118F4200805FFECEB9C2912F@exips0002.itops.ldn.bzwint.com>
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I would say:

  Deliverance (1)
  Sarcophagus (2)
  Moloch (1)
  Star One (1)
  Terminal (1)
  Gold (1)
  Redemption (1)
  Weapon (1)
  Trial (1)
  Rescue (1)
  Headhunter (1)
  Games (1)
  Sand (1)
  Warlord (1)

Peter.

> ----------
> From: 	Iain Coleman[SMTP:ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk]
> Sent: 	08 May 1998 14:29
> To: 	Lysator
> Subject: 	[B7L] Well, now...
> 
> Another trivia question (this just came up in an email exchange).
> 
> How many times in the series does Avon use his catchprase "Well, now... "?
> 
> I don't intend anybody to go counting them all for me, I just thought this
> must be the kind of thing that somebody, somewhere has been sad^H^H^H
> dedicated enough to have figured out at some point, and they might still
> have the answer at their fingertips.
> 
> cheers,
> Iain
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:43:51 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]: Drink Colours (was Liberator design fault)
Message-Id: <199805081441.QAA03702@samantha.lysator.liu.se>
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> From: Bill Billingsley <whb@bha.oz.au>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
> Date: Friday, May 08, 1998 1:45 AM

> Midori's green.  Sambuca comes in black, white, green, blue and red.  So
> what's the problem with an alcoholic drink in one of those colours in an
> s.f. series?
> 

I never knew Sambuca was anything but transparent. 

I would like to set it on record that one should never ever under any
circumstances drink anything blue. I did once, a long time ago...

Julie Horner

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:51:02 +0100
From: "Jenni-Alison" <Jenni-Alison@dial.pipex.com>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Well, now...
Message-Id: <199805081450.QAA04263@samantha.lysator.liu.se>
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Peter wrote:
> I would say:
> 
>   Deliverance (1)
>   Sarcophagus (2)
>   Moloch (1)
>   Star One (1)
>   Terminal (1)
>   Gold (1)
>   Redemption (1)
>   Weapon (1)
>   Trial (1)
>   Rescue (1)
>   Headhunter (1)
>   Games (1)
>   Sand (1)
>   Warlord (1)

How do you know these things? And just off the top of your head! I'm
impressed!

I would say 15 times isn't that many over so many episodes. (51?) It's a
lot more common in Fan fiction than it is in the series then!

Jenni

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:54:33 +0100
From: "Jenni-Alison" <Jenni-Alison@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]: Drink Colours (was Liberator design fault)
Message-Id: <199805081454.QAA04550@samantha.lysator.liu.se>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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Julie wrote:
> I never knew Sambuca was anything but transparent. 
> 
> I would like to set it on record that one should never ever under any
> circumstances drink anything blue. I did once, a long time ago...


And?? You can't leave it like that, enquiring minds want to know!

Anyway, there's a blue alcopop which is interesting, and no one who I have
seen drinking it has lost their head! Actually, If you want examples of
weird colour drinks then you need only look to the alcopops around, which
have given us a beautifull rainbow of greens, blues, reds, yellows, and
anything in between. They're nice too, if you like sugar!

Jenni

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:56:03 -0500
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: "Space City" <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Way, way off topic.  OS wars related
Message-ID: <005201bd7a99$da3c6ce0$660114ac@misnt>
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I know this has nothing to do with Blake's 7, but I notice how many of the
list subscribers are either system admins or IS people and I thought those
people in particular might get a kick out of this.  I sure did.

Why Win95 Is Better Than Linux


Because all operating systems are written by programmers, I assume
that any operating system is much smarter than me. Thus, any good
operating system should try to outsmart me by restricting my options
at every turn. Linux, like all versions of Unix, is lousy at
restricting my options because at the command line virtually any
operation can be performed with ease. (For example, ‘rm -rf /win’
could delete an entire mounted directory, with no popup window
warnings whatsoever.)

I’m proud to say that there is no such danger in 95/NT. Windows pop up
when I want to make a change, and then more pop up to ask if I’m sure
I want the change. Thankfully, Windows 95/NT operating systems look
after my computer’s well-being by occasionally switching
configuration settings from the way I want them to what the OS
programmers think they might probably ought to be.  Boy, I’m just
impressed with how smart they are. Once I learned to live with
whatever the default settings are on any new hardware I install, I
can’t say the number of hours I have saved.

I use that spare time to reboot my Windows machine multiple times a
day.  Technical support personnel recommend that I do it regularly -
kind of like brushing my teeth. To help remind me of this necessity,
windows pop up to tell me to reboot whenever I make a configuration
change. By now my machine is minty fresh, I figure.  There is no such
useful rebooting in a Linux system. It is as reliable as the sunrise,
with uptimes in weeks and months. Virtually no configuration change
requires a reboot, to boot. Imagine all that plaque in the
computer. Gross!

In 95/NT I am prevented from making dangerous fundamental
configuration changes unless I use a special ‘registry editor’. I have
found it so useful to have this separate editor that I hope in future
versions they go all the way and supply a separate editor for each
file on the disk-in that way windows could pop up at every
keystroke to warn me that changing any line in the file I am editing
could cause the system to not run properly. If this were only the
case, people would finally learn that it is best to just stick with
the mouse and they would be freed of the need to constantly move their
hands back to the keyboard. (If one stops to think about it, the mouse
is a much better device to use than the keyboard. Ever hear of someone
getting carpal tunnel syndrome from a mouse? No. It’s comfortable and
ergonomic. Like Morse code devices.  That’s how long distance
communication started, after all.)

Linux, by contrast, requires no special editor to change configuration
files.  The fact that there is no ‘registry’ in Linux allows the
abomination of using any text editor whatsoever to do the
configuration. Can you believe that configuration files are usually
stored clear text? Talk about dangerous!

I am also happy to report that I have experienced no truth to the
rumor that Windows disks become corrupt after improper shutdowns.
Indeed, I have been forced to improperly shutdown the machine
innumerable times after it locks up, and I have no apparent problems
to report regarding the disk. No such claim can be made for
Linux. They say something about lack of data points. Excuses are all I
ever seem to hear from the Linux crowd.

By sheer size alone, Windows 95/NT beats Linux hands down. It is so
much bigger, it is obvious that it is better. Why would you want a
small OS with the large disks and RAM sizes we have these days? For
this reason alone, I heartily recommend Windows as a way to maximize
resource utilization. Your CPU and disk will constantly be pegged to
the limit, the way god intended. The Linux kernel and drivers accounts
for only about 750KB. Why, even the Microsoft Win16 subsystem uses
more space than that.

It is no surprise that Windows costs $270 on the retail market and
Linux doesn’t cost anything. People know what they want, and they want
Windows.  Because Linux is free, that means it’s basically
worthless. The same goes for all the development tools, remotable
GUIs, and applications, which all cost money for windows (i.e., are
worth something) and free for Linux (worthless!).

Installing software is very easy in Windows. I usually slip in CDs
without even reading instructions or warnings, and just double click
on whatever window pops up. There is no need to read anything or touch
the keyboard. (Did I mention that I hate that thing?) Well, OK, I have
learned the hard way the the machine locks up if I don’t take the time
to close all other applications.

Linux, by contrast, requires typing on the keyboard to get anything to
install at all. And you always have to know the NAME of program you
want to install.  For example, in Redhat, you have to type ‘rpm -ivh ‘
to install the program and documentation. Linux needs to get with the
’90s!

Windows follows the DOS convention of putting \r\n at the end of every
line of a text file. While this is only a mild concern because of the
relative rarity of text files on Windows machines these days (thank
god) it helps to differentiate between the text files and the other
files. Sadly, Linux makes no distinction between text and other files.
If I legitimately purchase Windows 95/NT, I can call Microsoft
customer support to get help with my problems. After a short hold time
of an hour or so, they always help me. Ever since I told them that I
was dual booting to Linux, they were able to flag my account and now
each time I call even the entry level support personnel I am connected
to say that Linux is the source of my problems. Everyone seems to
agree that Linux is no good. The more I listen, the more I’m impressed
with the knowledge of the support staff there.

By contrast, in Linux, all I have is stockpiles of resources and
documentation that I would actually have to read in order to
understand.  Sure, I could obtain Linux support from a commercial
organization, but they would probably just tell me I have to use a
text editor to fix up my system.

In the end, I have no need for that old computer donkey Unix. I don’t
need to run big Unix tasks, afterall. I refuse to become one of those
a bug-eyed computer users, that’s for sure. As soon as I can keep
Windows from crashing for long enough, I’m going to delete my Linux
partition, i.e., the equivalent of moving it to the recycle bin,
saying that I’m sure, emptying the recycle bin, and again saying that
I’m sure.



Reuben

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Date: 08 May 1998 18:38:41 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]: Drink Colours (was Liberator design fault)
Message-ID: <us90ocg1ke.fsf@sara.lysator.liu.se>

"Jenni-Alison" <Jenni-Alison@dial.pipex.com> writes:

> Anyway, there's a blue alcopop which is interesting, and no one who I have
> seen drinking it has lost their head!

If you're referring to the bluish stuff you provided at the SC room
party at Deliverance, I'll have you know that the reason that I didn't
lose my head may well be that I didn't have any to begin with.
-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
                         Mediocre minds think alike.

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