From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #123 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/123 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 123 Today's Topics: RE: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Re: [B7L] re: Got me angry Re: [B7L] Re: What makes a fan? [B7L] Re:Fandom Re: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question) [B7L] black servie [B7L] star drive [B7L] b7 vids [B7L] Bonhams [B7L] ZEN is alive and well [B7L] re: another favour [B7L] re: Got me angry Re: [B7L] Re: What makes a fan? Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 [B7L] re: What makes a fan (new question) Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Re: [B7L] re: What makes a fan (new question) [B7L] re: what makes a fan (new question) Re: [B7L] re: Got me angry [B7L] A few new sound files Re: [B7L] black servie Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 [B7L] I re-took the Keirsney Personality sorter test [B7L] Blake's 7 and housekeeping Re: [B7L] I re-took the Keirsey Personality sorter test [B7L] Got me angry [B7L] Rendezvous [B7L] Re: Got me angry Re: [B7L] I re-took the Keirsey Personality sorter test ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:06:33 +-200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: "'ShelaB7'" , "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: RE: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-Id: <01BD7029.71D386E0@cmg7170044> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: ShelaB7 [SMTP:ShelaB7@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 4:53 AM To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 >> Lorna B wrote: Liberator was found floating crewless by Tarrant and the Death Squad. As far as I understand salvage laws, it's finder's keepers, so it really *was* Tarrant's ship. I thought it was awfully nice of him to let Avon have it back. :-) >> Well, he really didn't have much choice, considering ZEN wouldn't talk to him. Shela Wouldn't that make it ZEN's ship? Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:24:26 +0100 From: "Ian Lay" To: "Jackie" , Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Got me angry Message-ID: <01bd7023$8f563600$f2dadec2@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jackie wrote: >Christopher Wheatley wrote: >> Jackie, >> >> Sorry, but for me a fan is a fan. The reason I am not a member of >> any fan clubs etc. is becuase, frankly, the overwhelming majority of >> people who join such organisations are obsessive to the point of >> extreme boardom. Me, if I like something I like it. >> >> Also, the very fact that you refer to what you call 'true' fans as >> 'we' is a great example of the snobbery inherent in such clubs - if >> you can't recite every single line of 'Aftermath' then you're not a >> true fan. >> >> There are fans, there are great fans (me) and there are bores... He does have a very valid point. I've been a fan of the program since the beginning. Though at the age or 6 you don't tend to take it all in. :-) But that still means I have been a fan for 20 years. I can't recite the exact words of Aftermath (though I can quote parts of it). I don't subscribe to any fan clubs (like Horizon). I haven't got a replica Orac (though I was tempted to get one). I don't have any Blake's 7 memorabilia, no costumes I've made myself. I do have all the episodes on tape (which I watch through every episode every 2/3 months) and some of the novels. So am I still a true fan? I think I am. ------------------------------------------------------------- Ian "We can still be champions, mate" Lay /// :-) \\\ Watford Internet Football Club ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:19:07 +0100 From: "Heather Smith" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: What makes a fan? Message-ID: <000201bd7037$c13f3860$103d63c3@smith99> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reuben wrote: >What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider >themselves >fans of? Well now tricky but here goes, Dr. Who (that will *never* change!) Blake's 7 Then the rest in no real order The Prisoner Highlander The Champions Buffy The Vampire Slayer The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy Red Dwarf Star Trek (first three series) Man from UNCLE And then just about any other cult SF you care to mention (except that travesty they call Voyager, yuk!). Has anybody else noticed we seem to have a lot of Dr. Who fans around here? Heather. 'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish' -The fourth Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:01:42 +1000 From: Wainwrights To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re:Fandom Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980425210142.007a5510@mail.eisa.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear all, What an extraordinary set of messages re: what is a true fan or what is not. I wasn't aware that such a thing as this could be measured.Surely, something as admiration for someone or something is personal and can't be measured by a collection of items or a body of knowledge about episodes etc. Cheers, Jacqueline. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 08:11:43 -0400 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question) Message-ID: <199804251211.IAA13687@yfn.ysu.edu> Judith R wrote: >I have 2000+ video tapes, probably the same amount of books (or more), >endless zines etc, a living room full of plastic models, toys etc, tv/film >pictures & photos on my walls etc. Various scripts and bits and pieces. A >hard-drive full of photos, video clips and general "fan stuff". 4 VCRs & 4 >TVs, 2 PCs. Been in various "organised" fandoms for around 18 years. Run >several conventions, been to countless others. Member of local B7/SF group. >Saw Paul Darrow's "Macbeth" over 40 times (gulp). Scrambled around various >quarries, chalk pits etc by torchlight. Done various interviews about >"fandom" for newspapers, radio stations etc. Stood at stage doors, stood in >autograph queues. Read and written fan fiction. > >The Question: > >Am I a fan, or am I simply too sad to live? I'd really like to know. Oh... And I'm beginning to seriously consider flying over to stay with >relatives in the US just to catch the "Avengers" movie when it opens in the >summer. Maybe I've just answered my own question. Too sad to live. Maybe I should be worried. This all sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I am in awe of your 40 performances of "Macbeth." And your multiple fannish interests. I can only manage one fandom and some less intense hobbies. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:50:08 +1000 From: "Roger The Shrubber" To: "B7 Main List" Subject: [B7L] black servie Message-Id: <199804251539.BAA17705@budapest.ozonline.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen replied to I see a beautiful, strong, ambitious > cadet who wants to rule the galaxy..... and in the movie she quite possibly > is black ! > ****** Anyone in particular in mind? I wouldn't mind a black Servalan, but the other day, I was thinking how incredibly interesting it would be if Gwyneth Paltrow were to be the Supreme Commander and Buyer of Avon. ******* No immediate candidates spring to mind, but I would imagine someone suitable could be found from the live theatre circuits, Servie is more a theatrical than TV type character. There are plenty of ... er ... white actresses who could do a sterling job as Servie, Gwyneth certainly, but _if_ the right black actress was found the role really could be nailed as her own ,instead of just being a shadow of Jackie's. BTW, did anything ever become of the Blake's Legend project ? ___________________________________ from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome ! powerplay@cheerful.com ____________________________________ "OK, here's a disc sander, maybe ratchet up the manliness just a tad." ______________________________________ "The Administration is out to get me" _______________________________________ "In the end, winning is the only safety" _________________________________________ "While not detracting in any way from this store's right to examine all baggage, I am prepared to concede that our security man may have exceeded his authority in napalming your grandmother" ________________________________________ ________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634 Anxiety & Panic _________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:02:48 +1000 From: "Roger The Shrubber" To: "B7 Main List" Subject: [B7L] star drive Message-Id: <199804251538.BAA17701@budapest.ozonline.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dangermouse wrote with exquisite subtlety Unmitigated Worthless Crap: Star Drive Animals Orbit ************ It was so unnecessary & a shame for Star Drive to be a crap episode. Plotwise it was an important episode and should have been a high point of the series. In the book Scorpio Attack, Star Drive comes up well as a readable adventure yarn, ie I enjoyed it, and as it was based on the scripts, there's a good story in there somewhere. The problem I think lay in the visual design (I hope that's the right term). The Space Rats, by reputation were supposed to be horrible sadistic criminal bastards. They _should_ have been depicted as a Mad Max - type bikie gang. Instead we get Shakespearean (sp?) actors with professionally done hair & makeup - they were supposed to be smelly, filthy & living in squalor, so the main bad guys are just totally unconvincing for a start. The special FX were even more crap than usual - the little vehicle (odysseys?) chase and shooting visuals were especially pathetic. As an aside, I think Dr Plaxton was far too nice to the people who had come to steal her stardrive. How did she know they weren't just going to steal it then kill her ? Which is pretty much what happened. ___________________________________ from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome ! powerplay@cheerful.com ____________________________________ "OK, here's a disc sander, maybe ratchet up the manliness just a tad." ______________________________________ "The Administration is out to get me" _______________________________________ "In the end, winning is the only safety" _________________________________________ "While not detracting in any way from this store's right to examine all baggage, I am prepared to concede that our security man may have exceeded his authority in napalming your grandmother" ________________________________________ ________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634 Anxiety & Panic _________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:58:18 +1000 From: "Roger The Shrubber" To: "B7 Main List" Subject: [B7L] b7 vids Message-Id: <199804251539.BAA17710@budapest.ozonline.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom & Una (imagine her with hair !) wrote **** Una wrote: > Dangermouse said: > > >Unmitigated Worthless Crap: > > > >Animals > > No, I'm just *not* having this!!! Neither is anyone else. I'm amazed they bothered to release it on video at all. :-) ***** I would be interested if anyone has info on any sales figures from the videos - for example did "Blake" really manage to outsell "Animals" ? Did "Star Drive" somehow beat "Star One" ? I guess I'm asking - did the eps that the folks on this list think are the best actually outsell the ones we all think are crap, out there in the world of the general public ? ___________________________________ from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome ! powerplay@cheerful.com ____________________________________ "OK, here's a disc sander, maybe ratchet up the manliness just a tad." ______________________________________ "The Administration is out to get me" _______________________________________ "In the end, winning is the only safety" _________________________________________ "While not detracting in any way from this store's right to examine all baggage, I am prepared to concede that our security man may have exceeded his authority in napalming your grandmother" ________________________________________ ________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634 Anxiety & Panic _________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:17:24 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Bonhams Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Did anybody here buy ex BBC costumes from Bonhams? I need to try and find a copy of the catalogue for August 6 1990 in order to identify item 268. The outfit is some kind of buff coloured overall with a drawstring hood. It's reinforced around the seat which suggests it was possibly used when riding something. I've no idea what series it came from, but Dr Who and Blake's 7 are the most likely. It has a sort of diagonal front fastening which suggests an SF series and there are loads of poppers (press-studs) around wrists and ankles which may either have been decorative or else used to fasten something else onto the garment. If anyone has the faintest idea what it is, I'd love to know. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:55:14 -0700 From: Tramila To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] ZEN is alive and well Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980425125514.006d8b30@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ZEN is alive and well and living in the Novell world. Go to: http://www.novell.com/products/nds/zenworks/index.html Must do Novel homework, not play on B7 list. Must do. Must do. Must do. Tramila --------- Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:40:22 +0100 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] re: another favour Message-ID: <35424A36.1672@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ShelaB7 wrote: > > Thank you to all who were kind enough to forward the Guards! Guards! webpage > address to me. > > I apologize for asking for another favor but can anyone send me Christopher > Wheatley's email address. I've already deleted all my old mail so I don't > have that as a source anymore. > > thank you, shela It is: C.Wheatley1@student.derby.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:43:06 +0100 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se CC: ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk Subject: [B7L] re: Got me angry Message-ID: <35424ADA.59EB@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Lay wrote: > > Jackie wrote: > > >Christopher Wheatley wrote: > >> Jackie, > >> > >> Sorry, but for me a fan is a fan. The reason I am not a member of > >> any fan clubs etc. is becuase, frankly, the overwhelming majority of > >> people who join such organisations are obsessive to the point of > >> extreme boardom. Me, if I like something I like it. > >> > >> Also, the very fact that you refer to what you call 'true' fans as > >> 'we' is a great example of the snobbery inherent in such clubs - if > >> you can't recite every single line of 'Aftermath' then you're not a > >> true fan. > >> > >> There are fans, there are great fans (me) and there are bores... > > > > He does have a very valid point. I've been a fan of the program since the > beginning. Though at the age or 6 you don't tend to take it all in. :-) > But that still means I have been a fan for 20 years. You`ve watched Blakes 7 through the eyes of childhood (lucky you!), now you are an adult- have your views progressed? Does what drew you to the programme at the age of six (why weren`t you in bed by then?? :-)), still draw you today? Have any of your views changed (slightly or significantly) by reading and/or participating in any of the discussions that has occured on the lists? > I can't recite the exact words of Aftermath (though I can quote parts of it). That`s me, also. > I don't subscribe to any fan clubs (like Horizon). My own membership of Horizon lapsed several years ago, PDAS has folded, as has LPF. My membership of Vilaworld lapsed (I think it has folded now anyway). As I am on the commitee of the Avon fanclub, I don`t actually subscribe. > I haven't got a replica Orac (though I was tempted to get one). Neither have I, and I have NOT been tempted to buy one. > I don't have any Blake's 7 memorabilia, no costumes I've made myself. I do not possess any costumes, either original or any I`ve made myself. > I do have all the episodes on tape (which I watch through every episode every 2/3 months) I also have all the episodes on tape. But you watch them more often than I do (I only watch them if I want to look up a particular point). > and some of the novels. Isn`t that memorabilia? > So am I still a true fan? > I think I am. Of course you are. BUT - are YOU writing a University thesis on the subject, with the information that you have? Do you think the fans that do collect memorabilia, or joins Fan Clubs as Bores, as Christopher does? He isn`t even consistant - He claims (at the end of your snipped bit) there are different *types* of fans - completely opposite to what his opening sentence says. As you can see, going by what everyone claims is *my* definition of a *true fan*, then I fail the criteria as well. Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:58:39 -0700 From: "kaella" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: What makes a fan? Message-Id: <199804252058.NAA28343@germany.it.earthlink.net> Reuben wrote: >>What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider >themselves >>fans of? Thought I would come out of lurk mode for a moment to give mine..although they do seem to match Heather's... Blake's 7 Dr. Who To a lesser extent:) Sapphire and Steel Man from Uncle The Prisoner Red Dwarf Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Xena I'm not really a fan of Star Trek, except for the Next generation, if I had to pick one that would be it. Debra -----Original Message----- From: Heather Smith To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: What makes a fan? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:40:37 -0500 From: "Lorna B." To: Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-Id: <199804252145.QAA18132@pemberton.magnolia.net> Jacqueline said: >Wouldn't that make it ZEN's ship? There we go! Zen's Seven! Lorna B. "I'm trying to contain an outbreak here and you're driving the monkey to the airport!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:43:34 +0100 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] re: What makes a fan (new question) Message-ID: <35425906.4114@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reuben Herfindahl wrote: > > What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider themselves > fans of? The memories stirred reading other peoples lists, so I think I`ll inflict my list on you. Main Passions Blakes 7 WWF wrestling Other programmes (no particular order) Star Trek TNG Dr Who V Highlander Alien Nation Water Margin Dinosaurs (Earl Sinclair and "not the mama! not the mama!) The Professionals The Champions High Chapparal Lancer (I had a MAJOR crush on James Stacey).This would move into the *major passion* category if it was ever aired again!! Any web sites going, does anyone know???? Miami Vice Kung Fu (the original series set in the old west) Books by: Alexander Kent J.T. Edson (until he started taking old stories he`d written and partially rewriting them) Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:43:40 -0700 From: Tramila To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980425144340.0075c190@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> LOL Except during Orbit. hummmmmm. And speaking of A/V...perhaps I should >> dig out a few of my zlines.... naaaaw, not enough time. Have company >> coming. Must clean house. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Avona wrote: >Of the concept of your house being clean? Of the cleaning process? How >do V.I.C.E. members keep their houses? Minimally. > Or is it the coompany we are to fear... oh, Avon's coming for dinner, or course. LOL. Well, you see a list member is coming to visit. Be afraid! Be very afraid. Although Avon coming to dinner is quite a concept, I think Vila would be much more fun even if you had to assure that all the silverware stayed at home. he he Avona wrote: >> Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! >Corruptable but oh, so likable. Particularly because I like the way you >think. Let's go steal DSV3 and call it "Liberated". I'm with you! Between the two of us, we shouldn't have any problem with the computers and Vila's been teaching me the trade. Where do you want to rendezvous? Tramila --------- Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:30:39 -0500 From: Deb Salyers To: Jackie CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re: What makes a fan (new question) Message-ID: <3542721F.543C@informatics.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jackie wrote: > > Reuben Herfindahl wrote: > > > > > What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider themselves > > fans of? > > The memories stirred reading other peoples lists, so I think I`ll > inflict my list on you. > > Main Passions > Blakes 7 > WWF wrestling > > Other programmes (no particular order) > Star Trek TNG > Dr Who > V > Highlander > Alien Nation > Water Margin > Dinosaurs (Earl Sinclair and "not the mama! not the mama!) > The Professionals > The Champions > High Chapparal > Lancer (I had a MAJOR crush on James Stacey).This would move into the > *major passion* category if it was ever aired again!! Any web sites > going, does anyone know???? > Miami Vice > Kung Fu (the original series set in the old west) > > Books by: > Alexander Kent > J.T. Edson (until he started taking old stories he`d written and > partially rewriting them) > > Jackie Jackie Just saw an old episode of Lancer on satellite here in the US on TV Land. Seems they show them on weekends, plus lots of other old westerns. Seeing James Stacy again brought back the same feelings as when I was 12. deb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:03:42 +0100 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se CC: dsalyers@informatics.net Subject: [B7L] re: what makes a fan (new question) Message-ID: <354279DE.741B@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Deb Salyers wrote: > > > > Jackie > Just saw an old episode of Lancer on satellite here in the US on TV > Land. Seems they show them on weekends, plus lots of other old westerns. > Seeing James Stacy again brought back the same feelings as when I was > 12. > > deb > Did ya video it?. I would just LOVE to see James Stacy as he was in that series - I do have a brief clip of him from a later film, but that was after his motorcycle accident (apart from the mutilation, his gorgeous features are hidden by a huge bushy beard). After I posted my list I tried to find a mention of the actor and/or the series in the internet. I found one mention, but there was no follow-on available. There was supposedly a follow-on for High Chapparal, but when I did, I got the message "URL not found". So I am back to square 1 again. I might try again tomorrow using "infoseek" or "lycos". Does any one from Europe know if this series is being broadcast via Satelite - any satelite not just the Astra one (I possess a motorised system). It does not have to be transmitted in English (although I would prefer it that way). Thanks anyway for the info that it has not been completely forgotten! Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:27:34 EDT From: ShilLance To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Got me angry Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-04-24 18:04:17 EDT, jackiew@termlow.co.uk writes: << Christopher wrote me a personal message, he said I could forward it on to the list. So here it is. Christopher Wheatley wrote: > Jackie, > > Sorry, but for me a fan is a fan. The reason I am not a member of > any fan clubs etc. is becuase, frankly, the overwhelming majority of > people who join such organisations are obsessive to the point of > extreme boardom. Me, if I like something I like it. > > Also, the very fact that you refer to what you call 'true' fans as > 'we' is a great example of the snobbery inherent in such clubs - if > you can't recite every single line of 'Aftermath' then you're not a > true fan. > > There are fans, there are great fans (me) and there are bores... > > If you wasted all that money on postage then more fool you - > you'll note I didn't ask for any land mail, just comments and > opinions. > > Further, as a writer myself I know I value the programme for > perhaps the best reason - I admire the work of fellow writers. > > I have plenty of knowledge and opinions of my own - what on Earth > makes you think otherwise? What is it that makes you think I have > not been a fan for twenty years? > > You'll note that I am no longer on the B7 mailing list - this > system can't cope with all the mail which builds up, however if you > want to post this then feel free. > > Best Wishes, > > Chris I am in the process of formulating a reply, but I thought you all might like to read it in it`s entirety first. >> Question: Why would we want to read this? You guys should keep this in private email. Shil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:44:06 -0400 From: BugEyes To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] A few new sound files Message-ID: <35428355.468B73BD@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just uploaded a few new sound files from Series A including a few Zen files as requested. I will be doing more for each series in the next couple of weekends. Hannah http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/1874/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:32:48 EDT From: ShilLance To: darrenro@ozonline.com.au, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] black servie Message-ID: <59c0795e.354280b2@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-04-25 11:40:18 EDT, darrenro@ozonline.com.au writes: << Helen replied to I see a beautiful, strong, ambitious > cadet who wants to rule the galaxy..... and in the movie she quite possibly > is black ! > ****** Anyone in particular in mind? I wouldn't mind a black Servalan, but the other day, I was thinking how incredibly interesting it would be if Gwyneth Paltrow were to be the Supreme Commander and Buyer of Avon. ******* No immediate candidates spring to mind, but I would imagine someone suitable could be found from the live theatre circuits, Servie is more a theatrical than TV type character. There are plenty of ... er ... white actresses who could do a sterling job as Servie, Gwyneth certainly, but _if_ the right black actress was found the role really could be nailed as her own ,instead of just being a shadow of Jackie's. >> How about Angela Basset?.......... <> I would like an answer to this as well. Shil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:14:10 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-ID: <35429873.3EF1@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tramila wrote: > > >> LOL Except during Orbit. hummmmmm. And speaking of A/V...perhaps I should > >> dig out a few of my zlines.... naaaaw, not enough time. Have company > >> coming. Must clean house. Be afraid. Be very afraid. > > Avona wrote: > >Of the concept of your house being clean? Of the cleaning process? How > >do V.I.C.E. members keep their houses? > > Minimally. Of course. And if you want to know how an A.S.K.S. keeps house, the answer if, program someone else to do it for them. :^/ > > > Or is it the coompany we are to fear... oh, Avon's coming for dinner, or > course. > > LOL. Well, you see a list member is coming to visit. Be afraid! Be very > afraid. That could be frightening. Hoewever, if it's Bill, the Loch Mess, Monster, you don't need to clean, so I've eliminated one possibility. > > Although Avon coming to dinner is quite a concept, I think Vila would be > much more fun even if you had to assure that all the silverware stayed at > home. he he I'd be more worried about the wine cellar. > > Avona wrote: > >> Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! > >Corruptable but oh, so likable. Particularly because I like the way you > >think. Let's go steal DSV3 and call it "Liberated". > > I'm with you! Between the two of us, we shouldn't have any problem with > the computers and Vila's been teaching me the trade. Where do you > want to rendezvous? If I say "Guada Prime", I don't think you'll come... Helen, A.S.K.S. Avona speaks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:31:06 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-ID: <19980426123106.08993@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 06:14:10PM -0800, Helen Krummenacker wrote: > Tramila wrote: > > >> coming. Must clean house. Be afraid. Be very afraid. > > > > Avona wrote: > > >Of the concept of your house being clean? Of the cleaning process? How > > >do V.I.C.E. members keep their houses? > > > > Minimally. > Of course. And if you want to know how an A.S.K.S. keeps house, the > answer if, program someone else to do it for them. :^/ Or hire someone else. Or allow the mess to gradually increase until one can't stand it any more, and run around and tidy everything up and breathe a sigh of relief at the return of order. I dunno, how tidy would *Avon* keep his room? Probably pretty tidy, because he'd like to have a place for everything, and everything in its place. Kathryn A.S.K.S -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:46:06 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: LizR2 CC: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: [B7L] I re-took the Keirsney Personality sorter test Message-ID: <3542ADFE.279@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or rather, I took the _other_ version of it, the longer verson. Previously, I tested as an INTJ. This one scored me to be an INFJ. Just what I would expect... a nice medium between Avon and Cally in personality. (or, for you, Lisa, just one more proof we are soul-sisters) Cally would use a phrase like "soul-sisters". Avon would look for proof. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:54:01 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: [B7L] Blake's 7 and housekeeping Message-ID: <3542AFD9.6864@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathryn Andersen wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 06:14:10PM -0800, Helen Krummenacker wrote: How > > > >do V.I.C.E. members keep their houses? > > > > > > Minimally. > > Of course. And if you want to know how an A.S.K.S. keeps house, the > > answer if, program someone else to do it for them. :^/ > > Or hire someone else. Or allow the mess to gradually increase until > one can't stand it any more, and run around and tidy everything up and > breathe a sigh of relief at the return of order. > > I dunno, how tidy would *Avon* keep his room? Probably pretty tidy, > because he'd like to have a place for everything, and everything in > its place. > > Kathryn > A.S.K.S Yes, Avon seems a tidy person. And I believe we saw his room on the Liberator on one occaision-- rather minimalist. (I may be misremembering, and besides, all rooms on the Liberator were minimalist) I figure he'd have someone clean for him, because he always got Vila to do any messy work. Avon really didn't mind danger half so much as grunt-work. As far as what you say about letting things pile up and then going into a tidyness frenzy-- I strongly suspect you and I are kindred spirits on that point! Avona A.S.K.S. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:40:32 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] I re-took the Keirsey Personality sorter test Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Helen Krummenacker wrote: >Just what I would expect... a nice medium between Avon and Cally in >personality. >(or, for you, Lisa, just one more proof we are soul-sisters) 'Cept I don't rate Avon as an INTJ. Or Cally as an INFJ, except possibly in her first episode or two. - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:39:52 EDT From: ShelaB7 To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Got me angry Message-ID: <9b6d623f.3542ba99@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Christopher Wheatley's original message as I'm sure everyone's seen it. >>Jackie wrote: >>I am in the process of formulating a reply, but I thought you all might >>like to read it in it`s entirety first. >Shil replied: >Question: Why would we want to read this? You guys should keep this in >private email. This is also my question. Why do we want to be involved in this continuing "war of words"? I was at a loss to understand the reasoning in Jackie's original objection to Christopher's query and I understand even less her statements on what *qualifies* someone to BE a fan. I've simply begun deleting all messages on this subject. All this dissension is very counter productive to a fandom we all profess to love. Five of my closest friends have recently unsubbed from the B7 lists and cancelled their memberships in the fandom groups because of the bad experiences they've encountered in the year that we have all been fans of Blake's 7. I went to all the trouble to buy a computer, put in a new phone line just for email, and order an online service so I could enjoy discussions/arguments/feedback/etc. about a show I love -- not listen to somewhat "pompous" opinions as to whether I'm qualified to call myself a fan, much less a *true* fan. Shela I am in the process of formulating a reply, but I thought you all might like to read it in it`s entirety first. >> Question: Why would we want to read this? You guys should keep this in private email. Shil ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from relay29.mx.aol.com (relay29.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.29]) by air14.mx.aol.com (v42.4) with SMTP; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:43:17 -0400 Received: from samantha.lysator.liu.se (samantha.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.202]) by relay29.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id UAA04494; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by samantha.lysator.liu.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA00195; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:42:33 +0200 (MET DST) Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:42:33 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: samantha.lysator.liu.se: list set sender to blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se using -f From: ShilLance Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:27:34 EDT To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Got me angry Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Resent-Message-ID: <"ShzfRB.A.6C.2LoQ1"@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Resent-From: blakes7@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13042 X-Loop: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Precedence: list Resent-Sender: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:46:15 -0700 From: Tramila & pussnboots To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Rendezvous Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980425214615.006d95e4@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Avona wrote: >> >> Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! >> >Corruptable but oh, so likable. Particularly because I like the way you >> >think. Let's go steal DSV3 and call it "Liberated". Tramila wrote: >> I'm with you! Between the two of us, we shouldn't have any problem with >> the computers and Vila's been teaching me the trade. Where do you >> want to rendezvous? Avona wrote: >If I say "Guada Prime", I don't think you'll come... Vila and Tramila shake in their boots....uh..uh... (Hey! Them's *my* boots, sez Puss 'n B... it's gettin' really crowded in here.) Vila hurls pesky cat out of airlock. How about we rendezvous at Freedom City? It's been my all time dream to visit Freedom City! Tramila & pussnboots --------- Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 05:31:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.geis.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Got me angry Message-Id: <199804260541.FAA02253@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At first I thought maybe Jackie had overreacted to Christopher W.'s comments, but now I wonder. Given that my personal definition of a fan is someone who participates, however slightly, in organized fandom-- or even just someone who'd like to if they knew it was out there, 'cause they've got the fannish Right Stuff-- I'm not all that sure that Christopher =is= a fan. Not even interested enough to stay on the mailing list? And fans in general-- not just Jackie-- do have a history of being burned in varying degrees by people who are not themselves fans but just want to study fandom for the sake of an academic ulterior motive, or in order to write a "Look at the freaks!" type piece of journalism, or some such thing. This is quite different from what happens when fans themselves study fandom, as Una is doing. It's a matter of the attitude of the person doing the study, and there are indeed people out there who have betrayed the trust of the fans they dealt with in one way or another. Under the circumstances it's not unreasonable for fans to be a bit wary. I don't think there's any question of somehow rating fans by their knowledge or the size of their fannish collections. Some of the most devoted B7 fans around have got big gaps in their knowledge of the show-- such as, for instance, episodes that the favorite character, whoever that may be, wasn't in! And some very avid readers of fan fiction either borrow zines from friends, or else buy them and then resell them after reading rather than accumulate a collection. DCsquared, IMO your website and published stories certainly put you well into the ranks of active fans, and I never had any impression that Jackie was suggesting otherwise. Sarah T. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:02:32 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] I re-took the Keirsey Personality sorter test Message-ID: <19980426200232.38917@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 10:40:32PM -0500, Lisa Williams wrote: > Helen Krummenacker wrote: > > >Just what I would expect... a nice medium between Avon and Cally in > >personality. > >(or, for you, Lisa, just one more proof we are soul-sisters) > > 'Cept I don't rate Avon as an INTJ. Or Cally as an INFJ, except possibly in > her first episode or two. But I do! I think Avon is INTJ and Cally is INFJ. But I said that before, the last round of this thread. But you are right, Cally seemed to change from a J to a P once the writers had finished tromping on her. And it's getting uncanny how Helen and I think alike... -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #123 **************************************