From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #121 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/121 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 121 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Fandom [B7L] Fandom/obsession (was fandom) [B7L] MERLIN Broadcast in USA Re: [B7L] Captures and Kinks [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley [B7L] Tarrant's Bottom Re: [B7L] Re The good ones in Season 4 [B7L] Re: the best of season 4 Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Re: [B7L] Re: Fans and Memorabilia [B7L] Seven as Pooh Re: [B7L] New frame captures [B7L] Re: What makes a fan? Re: [B7L] Tarrant's Bottom Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Re: [B7L] Tigger and submissive Avon Re: [B7L] Re: Fans and Memorabilia Re: [B7L] New frame captures Re: [B7L] Tigger and submissive Avon [B7L] Re: Pooh parallels - getting sillier Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Re: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question) Re: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley Re: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question) [B7L] Re: fans [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question) RE: [B7L] Pooh and company RE: Seven as Pooh (was Re: [B7L] New frame captures) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:33:43 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu 23 Apr, Borg, Peter: IEG wrote: > I would say I am a fan of B7, and as a result of my interest in the show, I > enjoy watching it, discussing it, attending conventions, etc. etc. I don't > have much in the way of memorabilia, apart from a photo of Servalan (which I > like because it's camp) and the videos, which I have because I wanted to > watch them all again - I still watch an episode or two from time to time, > but not frequently. > I feel that defining who can call themselves a fan and who can't is > cabalistic in the extreme, and is moving to the type of fandom I have > witnessed in certain sections of the ST fan world. I sincerely hope B7 > fandom does not move in this direction, but remains light hearted and > continues to keep its sense of humour. If the tone of B7 fandom changes away > from this, I for one would not want to be part of it. I've often wondered if part of the nature of B7 fandom is *because* of the lack of memorabilia. We don't have collectors cards, official novels, licensised merchandise by the ton, etc. Thus, we make our own. We invent our own versions of things, we make fancy dress instead of buying the 'official' uniforms, we write fanfic in vast quantities and we interpret the universe to suit our own taste as there is nobody to law down the law on how Liberator works or what Auron culture is really like. It's a little more anarchistic and relaxed. Obviously I generalise to some extent, but I wonder if anybody else thinks there's some truth in the generalisation. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:48:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay McGuigan To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Fandom/obsession (was fandom) Message-ID: <19980423184827.15645.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Judith Proctor wrote: > > Here's my personal definition of 'fan' (which I reserve the right to change > every week) - a fan is someone who tries to convert their frineds to the series. > They love it so much that they want to share it. > I agree wholeheartedly to this definition. I just converted my son and now I'm working on an email friend whom I write on another list I'm on. She is quite intrigued! When does fandom change to obsession? Obviously if it harms someone, etc. I have found out that someone changed his name to a certain actor that I like. Surely this borders on obsession? It also got me very excited for a minute to think that the *real* one may have signed my guestbook, common sense soon prevailed as I realised it was this jokester. Just fishing for opinions. Jay 100%Avon == **************************************************** I have no morals, yet I'm a very moral person. --Voltaire Everything is for the best, in the best of all possible worlds. --Voltaire (Candide) Check out Sharpe's Seven: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Studio/3612 ***************************************************** Retainer of Avon's Leathers -- B7 Novice Writers Group _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:57:19 EST From: "Letitia A. Casebourn" To: Lysator List CC: tisha@purdue.edu Subject: [B7L] MERLIN Broadcast in USA Message-ID: <14C81A9752A@stew-01.cea.purdue.edu> Just picked up Campus Weekly's "Hot Ticket" to find that "Merlin" will be broadcast this Sunday and Monday night on NBC in the USA. This version stars Sam Neill as Merlin, and was recently filmed in Wales, Scotland, and England. Although HIS name is not mentioned in the article, isn't *this* the production which features Gareth? tisha@purdue.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:07:22 +0100 From: Russ Massey To: Tramila Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Captures and Kinks Message-ID: In message <3.0.2.32.19980423080137.006dc5a0@earthlink.net>, Tramila writes >Russ wrote: > >>Number of times captured: >> >>Avon: 17 (2 of which were voluntary) >>Blake: 10 >>Cally: 11 >>Dayna: 12 >>Gan: 5 >>Jenna: 7 >>Soolin: 1 >>Tarrant: 12 >> >>Divide these numbers by the number of series in which each character >>appeared and we get, ranked in order of captures per season: >> >>Dayna: 6.00 >>Tarrant: 6.00 >>Blake: 5.00 >>Avon: 4.25 >>Cally: 3.67 >>Jenna: 3.50 >>Gan: 3.33 >>Soolin: 1.00 > >Notice how Vila is not here. Notice how intelligent that makes our lovely >thief. 4.25 times more intelligent than Avon and 6 times more intelligent >than Tarrant and Dayna. Life is good. :) > Whoops! I had a nagging feeling that there was someone missing so I counted the number of characters on the front cover of the Sevencyclopaedia and *still* Vila managed to evade me. I think he must have crouched behind Avon as he saw my eyes move toward him. Anyway, Vila has a total of 12 captures for an average of 3.00. Not bad going at all. -- Russ Massey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:04:36 +0100 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley Message-ID: <353F9ED4.881@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alison Page wrote: > > I can understand what Jackie means about feeling wary of requests for info > from people who want to write theses. I felt the same when I first read the > request, Ah ha! I was beginning to think I was a lone voice. However, you admirably restrained your wariness, whereas I opened my big mouth (or whatever the equivilant is in e-mail speak). >though I think it has been cleared up to some extent now. Oh good, says I beginning to clamber out of my flame resistant undies. > However I must say, I think in turn Jackie is being a bit too restrictive > in deciding who counts as a real fan. OH! Must you? I`ll put a clean lot back on then. > Perhaps there should be a category of 'super-fan' for people like Jackie > and Judth and others for whom B7 is (as she says) a major hobby, and ..... NO-no-no-no-no. I am NOT a superfan. Judith is a superfan, she knows all the answers off the top of her head (I have to look them up), she is a prolific writer of good stories (my attempts are laughable), she edits and publishes loads of zines (I can`t even keep up with my correspondence!) At one time (many, many moons ago) I did try obtaining any and all fanzines going, but then the Americans discovered Blakes 7......fantastic for fandom, lots and lots of new imput with that unique American slant, but my cheque book took one look at all the lovely fanzines and did a runner to the far flung regions of Andromeda (only managed to grab hold of it very briefly at Deliverence before it renewed its passport and scarpered again). >.....'fan' for others for whom it is one of their interests (like me). I think most people >would say I am a 'fan' (I mean people outside of B7 would) but I wouldn't dream of buying >memorabilia, Now it`s my turn to get defensive (and hopefully explain a lot better this time around than I did last time.) As I said, when I got *into* Blakes 7, I met other people just as *into* it as I was. Then I got involved deeper, and I`d get letters like "I`ve just joined the Avon Fan Club, and Ann has told me you sell magazines, photos, back issue newsletters etc. Can you send me a list?". Off would go the list and a little while later back would come a cheque and an order. At one time, before the ability to print address labels came into being, I would write out the address labels for the overseas members for every newsletter. It seemed that I was corresponding with most of them at one time or another. This is what lead me to believe that all fans of the series would have some sort of collection going. Finding out that this is not generally the case has come as rather a surprise. This leads me to my own research-type questions.- The long term fans who did not/ have not joined fan clubs, or bought fanzines, or professional publications, how did you sustain your interest in Blakes 7 during the barren 80`s/early 90`s? Did your interest wane during that time, reviving when the videos came out or when Satelite/cable starting airing the episodes? How did you find out about Lysator and/or Space City? If it was by accident ("I just surfed in"), then how did you know to look for it in the first place?? > ....and my reading is much more restricted than Jackie's I'm sure. I doubt that. I`m not overkeen on slash or adult fiction. I am quite happy to accept any type of relationship between any members of the crew as long as they are recognizable, I just don`t like the *icky in-depth descriptions* of various matings. > > What I meant by *real fan* is some-one who has some knowledge and > > opinions of their own, and not just asks how to contact the > > actor/actresses. > > Now I would agree here, completely. But I pass this test, and not most of your others. There is no test. repeat after me - There are no tests to pass. If Chris Wheatley was a new fan, and came up to me and asks a whole slew of questions about the show, then I would be perfectly happy to answer them, even if I had dig out and go through ALL my books and magazines to find out the answers to any and all of his questions. If I cannot help with a particular question, then I either ask some friends, or would point him in the relevent direction. I`d still offer info if he had just re-discovered Blakes 7 after a long break. However, as I mentioned in my original letter, I had helped in the past two other university students with research on Blakes 7. As the saying goes "Once bitten, twice shy" or in my case "twice bitten, three times shy". I had no intention of being *aggressive* what-so-ever, I was just voicing my wariness about dealing with someone else who claimed to be a Uni student in need of research help. So, unfortunately he got tarred with the same brush as the other two. Christopher`s reply, in my opinion, came accross as smug, condescending and patronising: > > Jackie ought to be glad a fellow fan is producing such an article, > >and even gladder that he is soliciting the opinions of the fans, as > > well as the writers. My initial reaction to that statement was rude; in fact for some reason every time I read it, my hackles raise, & I have no idea why. > I'm not being defensive BTW - if you want to say 'well, actually, Alison, I > wouldn't count you as a real fan' that's fine too. S`okay you count, You Count!! Everyone on the lists counts, after all you`re here because you like/love/lust Blakes 7 don`t you? After all you are not to blame if I`m a fanatic are you? There you go, a differentiation point. Fan or Fanatic? > Alison > > PS - Oh No, I've got a Myers Briggs comment coming on.. womanfully>.. phew.. kept it under control Very goooood!, says Jackie warily, as one does when one skipped over that subject matter when it first came out, and now has absolutely no idea what on earth you are talking about! Holds up hand, palm out, inclines head slightly, and says "That`s alright, there is absolutely NO need to enlighten me, thank you." Bye for now Fanatical Jackie (knew I`d get a nickname sooner or later, just needed patience) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:38:01 -0600 From: CHERYL_MARKS@HP-LakeStevens-om2.om.hp.com TO: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Tarrant's Bottom Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-0e5eb620-00000001" --openmail-part-0e5eb620-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="BDY.TXT" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="BDY.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Penny writes: >I also like HOK, if for the only reason that it was where I first >discovered Stephen Pacey has a *really* nice behind. (And I am not a >Tarrant fan) All Tarrant fans have an opportunity to view Stephen's behind in "Things We Do For Love,", playing in the West End. I lucked out and got a seat on main floor (I believe, you Brits call it "The Stalls") about 15 rows from the stage. At one point, Stephen drops his drawers and jumps into bed for a wild romantic encounter. Amidst all the tumbling, there were several opportunities to admire his bottom. (NOT that I'm into that sort of thing . . . . ) ******************************************************************************** *********** Cheryl Marks Email: cherylm@lsid.hp.com * Telnet: 1-335-2193 Phone: (425) 335-2193 * Fax: (425) 335-2828 * Address: Hewlett-Packard, MS 90 * 8600 Soper Hill Road * Everett, WA 98205-1298 * * "Never play with asteriods." Blake's 7 ******************************************************************************** ********** I am currently testing a new e-mail client called Outlook. If present, please disregard the "winmail.dat" attachment.____________________________________________________ --openmail-part-0e5eb620-00000001 --openmail-part-0e5eb620-00000001-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:57:54 +0100 From: "Dangermouse" To: "Lysator Blake's 7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re The good ones in Season 4 Message-Id: <199804232156.WAA02985@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: James Mansson > STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote: > > > > How can Dangermouse possible describe Animals as > > "unmitigated worthless crap" with all that brilliant character > > acting by David Boyce. Humph! > > Well, we've got the Tarrant Nostra to protect everyone's favourite > pilot, so why don't we have the R.S.P.C.A. (Royal Society for the > Prevention of Cruelty to "Animals") to protect everyone's favourite > episode? To be fair, I don't think Animals is *the* worst episode - it's only second worst after Stardrive. Which makes tape 22 one to avoid either way... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: brent@ntr.net To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: the best of season 4 Message-Id: <199804232202.SAA22325@rome.ntr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I wrote: >> The Ugly: >> Animals (How can these thugs be causing so much trouble if we've never heard >> of them?) >> Animals (Why do they look like 20th century punks?) >> Animals (Egads, that hair!) Pat pointed out that: >You're thinking of Stardrive, dear. The punk riding-mower morons, the >troll hair-dos. I goofed. Place Stardrive in the Ugly column and remove Animals from the list since I obviously don't remember it well enough to comment. >Animals? How sad that when Dayna got her moment in the sun, i.e. her >starring episode, they didn't play up her strengths: her skill with >primitive weaponry and survival. I should have loved to see her save the >others when they get stranded on some primitive planet with only Dayna >for resources. But no, they turned this amazing warrior woman into a >puddle of mooning mush moaning over a bug-eyed old geezer. Dayna got the short end of the stick as far as characterization goes. Her debut episode was her best and there were a few more after that which partially did her justice, but the rest of the time, she was poorly developed. Of course, IMHO, Soolin got the poorest development of all (even worse than Gan). I don't know much about the behind the scenes events leading up to the production of the fourth season, but it seems like Power wasn't even supposed to have Soolin in it. Was Cally originally intended to be in Power, but was deleted after her character was written out? Soolin doesn't even show up until the end of that one. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:10:52 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-ID: In message <199804231526.LAA03070@yfn.ysu.edu>, "Carol A. McCoy" writes > > >Besides, if Vila shoots Tarrant, he's going to be >awfully lonely alone in bed at night. ;-) Not if he's busy comforting Avon over Blake, he won't. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:07:43 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Fans and Memorabilia Message-ID: In message <199804230822_MC2-3AC6-8690@compuserve.com>, Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> writes >PS I though we agreed last time that Tigger was Tarrant? And what is the >case against Eeyore = Avon? > We may have agreed that on The Other List, where the discussion ...veered... somewhat. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:24:19 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: [B7L] Seven as Pooh Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 05:35:45PM +1000, Bill Billingsley wrote: >> Which Pooh characters would you cast in which roles.... >> >> Christopher Robin - Blake >> Pooh - Tarrant >> Rabbit - Avon >> Piglet - Vila >> Eeyore - Gan >> Owl - Cally >> Kanga - Jenna >> Roo - Dayna Didn't we do this last year? Ah, well, my first revolving thread :-) (that I can remember) Kathryn: >No... >Pooh - Gan >Piglet - Vila >because Pooh is a gentle, kind bear, though of little brain, >and Piglet is his timid friend, which I think is a good representation >of the Gan-Vila relationship I agree with Pooh=Gan, for Kathryn's reasons and because he's cuddly and lovable. I think last time around someone wanted Pooh=Blake, for similar reasons. And Piglet definitely =Vila. Dayna=Roo because she's young and impulsive Cally=Kanga because she's the most maternal of the crew. >I agree with Calle - Owl is Orac. >Yes, Avon is probably Rabbit. >Tarrant is Tigger - very boucy and impulsive. Tarrant isn't like Pooh at all! I wanted to suggest this last time, but thought it better to go into hiding from the Tarrant Nostra.:-) >I don't think there *is* an Eeyore character in the Seven, there isn't >anyone who's really terminally depressed like Eeyore is - unless you >count Slave? Works for me! >So who do we have left? >Kanga and Roo, Cally, Jenna, Dayna, Soolin, Zen, Servalan and Travis. >Hmmm, not enough to go around. Don't forget Rabbit's Friends and Relations. And the Woozle. And the Heffalump. (I know, we didn't actually see those last two, but they're still key to the stories in which they appear!) And in a fit of silliness: Blake=Eeyore's tail, because much time was spent looking for it. Orac=the swarm of bees, because, well, he sounds like one. ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:32:40 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tramilla: >Tigger? I never knew who Tigger was until my FK friends used that name and >mine in the same sentence. hummmmmmmm. I guess one of these days I'm >going to have to watch that show. Aaaargh! No! Not the TV version! AA Milne wrote some very clever, charming stories, which EH Shephard illustrated with delightful drawings. Experience Pooh as he should be experienced! Read the books! I have a gorgeous omnibus edition of all the stories, poems and hums, with the original illustrations. And it's mine! No child is getting their mitts on it! (although I'll happily read it to my friends' littlies) When I bought it the shop assistant said something about buying it for a present for a child, I replied "Yes! My inner child!" :-) ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:35:48 -0400 (EDT) From: brent@ntr.net To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: What makes a fan? Message-Id: <199804232235.SAA20568@rome.ntr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reuben wrote: >What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider themselves >fans of? Strange Luck Dr. Who Blake's 7 The Prisoner (McGoohan is one of the coolest actors on earth) Twin Peaks Red Dwarf General Hospital (yes, a soap, I admit it. I blame my mother for this) Nowhere Man (with a finale that is second only to B7) Babylon 5 MacGuyver (which Terry Nation worked on at one time, I think) The X-files (even though it is slowly becoming vague and convoluted in its main arc) To a lesser extent: The Pretender, Profiler, Star Trek: TNG, DS9, and a few others that I may be forgetting. And I don't necessarily think you have to buy memorabilia to be a fan. I usually tape all the episodes of something I like and that is usually enough for me. In the case of these shows, I would buy novels and novelizations, but so far I have only seen books based on Dr. Who, Blake's 7 (very few and I only have one), Babylon 5, Red Dwarf, and The Prisoner. Here in America, it is damned near impossible to find anything related to B7 anyway (unless you go to a con and there aren't too many that come to my area). I have one magazine that talks about B7 and that is it. I'm just lucky I ever got to see this wonderful show in the first place. As far as what Kathryn Anderson said about wanting to write for a show being her criteria for herself being a fan, I somewhat agree with this, but every now and then a show comes along that I like so much, I would never dream of writing for it. Twin Peaks, Nowhere Man, and General Hospital fall into this category. This isn't to say these are my favorite shows, just that I would rather see them unfold as a spectator and leave all the creative touches (and thus, the mystery) to their creators. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:41:20 -0400 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant's Bottom Message-ID: <199804232341.TAA27571@YFN.YSU.EDU> Cheryl wrote: >All Tarrant fans have an opportunity to view Stephen's behind in "Things We Do >For >Love,", playing in the West End. I lucked out and got a seat on main floor (I >believe, you Brits call it "The Stalls") about 15 rows from the stage. At one >point, Stephen drops his drawers and jumps into bed for a wild romantic >encounter. >Amidst all the tumbling, there were several opportunities to admire his bottom. >(NOT that I'm into that sort of thing . . . . ) And this wasn't enough for Deborah? ;-) Thanks for the report, Cheryl. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:56:28 -0400 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-ID: <199804232356.TAA28242@yfn.ysu.edu> Tramila wrote: >:) he he oops sorry. But Tarrant was an irritant from the moment he said, >"My ship!" grrrrr >I may be a Vila fan now but I started out an Avon fan and that Tarrant >comment placed by into the category of low life in my book. It was Avon's >ship. It was always Avon's ship from the moment that he stepped on board. Well, aside from the fact that Blake and Jenna might not agree that it was Avon's ship, let's examine this unforgivable action of Tarrant's. None of the owners were home when he arrived on Liberator. It was his ship (give or take a Death Squad or two) as much as it was Blake and company's when they found it abandoned. And what else was he to say but "my ship" at that point? From his actions on the flight deck (knocking Avon out when Klegg was going to question him) and from what he said later, Tarrant knew it was Avon from the get go. But should he have revealed that? "Oh, hi, nice ship you've got here. Section Leader Klegg, meet Kerr Avon, terrorist and computer criminal. What, you say you'd like to torture him until he tells us how we can gain control of the ship? That does seem reasonable under the circumstances." Everything Tarrant said and did protected Avon. >Not really. He'll be with Avon. Remember. He's always safe with Avon. >LOL Except during Orbit. hummmmmm. I keep forgetting how safe he is with Avon. But I hope Vila doesn't forget. I just love it when Vila takes over the care and feeding of Tarrant for most of 4th season. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:26:36 +0100 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Tigger and submissive Avon Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Nessie said: > Mostly we just wonder why there was all the fuss when treating the > oposite gender as sex objects was the typical male thing to do... :-) And... cue the anti-feminist counterstrike, with me leading from the front, armed with a copy of "Big'n'Bouncy Weekly" as non-offensive weapon and a "Diet Coke Break" advert as moral justification. Fight back, brothers. You have nothing to lose but your genitalia. Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:27:07 +0100 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Fans and Memorabilia Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet asked: > PS I though we agreed last time that Tigger was Tarrant? And what is the > case against Eeyore = Avon? His tail. Can you see Avon letting someone steal his tail? And then letting someone else put it back on? Tigger might conceivably manage to bounce him into the river, but Avon would never allow himself to float into the middle of a game of Pooh-sticks. Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:31:52 +0100 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Billiot Ness said: > Winnie the Pooh was originally a series of extremely good books. If you > get them, get the ones with illustrations by E.H.Sheppard -- they are a > *lot* better than some of the cheaper versions, and millions of times > better than the American cartoon. The one good thing the cartoon had was Tigger's song. Actually, the words might have been A.A.Milne's anyway, but I can't remember. No - Milne would never have written "their bottoms are made out of springs", surely? > I used to hae a copy of "The House at Pooh Corner" in Latin... I have Winnie Ille Pooh, but not the sequel. I can't read the thing, unfortunately - my Latin extends to the word "Latin", and that's about it. I also have "The Zen of Pooh" and "The Tao of Piglet". Or is that the other way round? > Which Pooh characters would you cast in which roles.... > > Christopher Robin - Blake > Pooh - Tarrant > Rabbit - Avon > Piglet - Vila > Eeyore - Gan > Owl - Cally > Kanga - Jenna > Roo - Dayna Pooh is surely Vila - a bit dozy, not terribly energetic, quite content to sit and indulge themselves, whether on Soma or honey. And they both have a lot of intelligence, in their own peculiar way. Tarrant is keen, innocent and naive, but always willing to help out. Piglet in a box. With a bow on top and postage to Australia. Wol is Orac - knowing everything but nothing. I agree with Kanga - late canon Jenna has the same sort of housewife concern about the lads when they go off to play in their chalk pits. And Roo is a pretty good Dayna, age-wise, except that of course Dayna never met Jenna. Otherwise, I can quite see the same sort of relationship being set up between them. Rabbit as Avon? Well, maybe. I never really got a handle on Rabbit, except that he was always in a hurry going nowhere. That presumably caused a lot of stress, so that describes 4th season Avon quite well. And he doesn't get very far either. I agree that Gan is Eeyore-like, but Zen is more so. Says even less, and even has a similar voice. Well, the way my Dad did Eeyore, which is of course the _only_ way to do Eeyore (slower, dozier and lower than the cartoons, and in a half-Aus-half-Brit accent). Actually, it's even closer to Slave's than Zen's. The Woozle is obviously Central Control, since they found where it wasn't. I'm sure we all know who the alluring Alice and her handsome Guardsman friend are. That leaves Cally and Soolin a bit left out, but we've rather run out of characters. I suppose Soolin could be the swarm of bees that attack Pooh when he floats up with some balloons to get their honey. But that's about as close to vicious as Winnie the Pooh gets. And we're sadly lacking for telepaths, new-age hippies or councellors in Winnie the Pooh. The closest you get is Christopher Robin saying "silly bear." I suppose she could be the narrator/author. That would fit quite well. Otherwise she gets to be heffalump, which is mean. Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:53:46 +1000 From: Bill Billingsley To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Tigger and submissive Avon Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980424115346.006b6c54@rabbit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:26 24/04/98 +0100, Tom wrote: >Bill Nessie said: ^^^^^^ I think I'm going to have to put that 'M' in big bold letters, aren't I! (Pity this is a text-only medium) >> Mostly we just wonder why there was all the fuss when treating the >> oposite gender as sex objects was the typical male thing to do... :-) > >And... cue the anti-feminist counterstrike, with me leading from the front, >armed with a copy of "Big'n'Bouncy Weekly" as non-offensive weapon and a >"Diet Coke Break" advert as moral justification. > But anyway, my smiley-blind friend.... back here at the lysator list we were talking about how people view well-clad B7 characters (a shame you snipped the original question). But I'm sure if you want to debate the gender-politics of publication censorship laws, one of the newsgroups will have a suitable flame-war going on right now. (Besides which, I'd rather have thought that if you were going to compare objectifying publications, "Australian Women's Forum" is a morelikely candidate than the Diet Coke ad, being a magazine of nude men produced for women. Personally, I tend to disapprove of both genders of naked publication.) -------------------------------------------------------- The Loch Mess Monster (occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:29:41 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: [B7L] Re: Pooh parallels - getting sillier Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tom: [biiiig snip] >The Woozle is obviously Central Control, since they found where it wasn't. Yes! Excellent! >I'm sure we all know who the alluring Alice and her handsome Guardsman >friend are. "They're changing the guard at Buckingham Palace Christopher Robin went down with Alice..." Does that make Avon CR? Or maybe Jarvik? I'm going to stop this now before I get my hand smacked and sent to Space City :-) >That leaves Cally and Soolin a bit left out, but we've rather run out of >characters. I suppose Soolin could be the swarm of bees that attack Pooh >when he floats up with some balloons to get their honey. But that's about >as close to vicious as Winnie the Pooh gets. And we're sadly lacking for >telepaths, new-age hippies or councellors in Winnie the Pooh. The closest >you get is Christopher Robin saying "silly bear." I suppose she could be >the narrator/author. That would fit quite well. Otherwise she gets to be >heffalump, which is mean. It occurs to me that Pooh stumbling around trying to get a jar off his head would look rather like Gan or Blake with their respective headaches. ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:59:41 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Tramila CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-ID: <3540001D.64B7@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tramila wrote: > > >Tramila's response to Vila's shooting Tarrant: > >>Now there's a thought.... a happy thought. > >> > > Carol Mc wrote: > >People, I didn't want to have to become a serial cyberkiller, > >but ... ... how much can a Tarrant fan take. > > :) he he oops sorry. But Tarrant was an irritant from the moment he said, > "My ship!" grrrrr > I may be a Vila fan now but I started out an Avon fan and that Tarrant > comment placed by into the category of low life in my book. It was Avon's > ship. It was always Avon's ship from the moment that he stepped on board. Of course it was. Only Jenna, Blake, and Zen didn't quite understand. > > >Besides, if Vila shoots Tarrant, he's going to be awfully lonely alone in > bed at night. ;-) > > ROTFLMAO! > Not really. He'll be with Avon. Remember. He's always safe with Avon. And closer to getting wealthy. > LOL Except during Orbit. hummmmmm. And speaking of A/V...perhaps I should > dig out a few of my zlines.... naaaaw, not enough time. Have company > coming. Must clean house. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Of the concept of your house being clean? Of the cleaning process? How do V.I.C.E. members keep their houses? Or is it the coompany we are to fear... oh, Avon's coming for dinner, or course. > > Tramila > --------- > Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. > Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element > Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! Corruptable but oh, so likable. Particularly because I like the way you think. Let's go steal DSV3 and call it "Liberated". Helen aka Avona A.S.K.S. and receives ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:39:56 -0500 From: "Lorna B." To: Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-Id: <199804240244.VAA28297@pemberton.magnolia.net> Damn, I meant this to go to the list, not just Tramila alone. Oh well. Better late than never. Tramila said: >:) he he oops sorry. But Tarrant was an irritant from the moment he said, >"My ship!" grrrrr >I may be a Vila fan now but I started out an Avon fan and that Tarrant >comment placed by into the category of low life in my book. It was Avon's >ship. It was always Avon's ship from the moment that he stepped on board. Gee, I remember Blake and Jenna stepping aboard Liberator at the same time as Avon. I always thought Jenna had the best claim, myself, owing to her link with Zen. Liberator was found floating crewless by Tarrant and the Death Squad. As far as I understand salvage laws, it's finder's keepers, so it really *was* Tarrant's ship. I thought it was awfully nice of him to let Avon have it back. :-) Lorna B. "I'm trying to contain an outbreak here and you're driving the monkey to the airport!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:52:55 EDT From: ShelaB7 To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >> Lorna B wrote: Liberator was found floating crewless by Tarrant and the Death Squad. As far as I understand salvage laws, it's finder's keepers, so it really *was* Tarrant's ship. I thought it was awfully nice of him to let Avon have it back. :-) >> Well, he really didn't have much choice, considering ZEN wouldn't talk to him. Shela ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:20:58 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question) Message-Id: <199804240321.WAA17580@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reuben Herfindahl wrote: >What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider themselves >fans of? My five major fandoms are B7, UFO, Professionals, Man From U.N.C.L.E., and Eroica. I also dabble in Wild, Wild West and Alias Smith & Jones. Those are the only ones in which I read fanfic; there are a few other shows I know very well but either I'm not interested in the fanfic or there is little to none out there (or both.) - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:27:43 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley Message-Id: <199804240321.WAA17583@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jackie wrote: >The long term fans who did not/ have not joined fan clubs, or bought >fanzines, or professional publications, how did you sustain your interest in >Blakes 7 during the barren 80`s/early 90`s? I'd never heard of the show until I stumbled across it during its first airing where I live in, I think, '85. And it was another ten years before I encountered or obtained any fanfic. I taped the show during its second run here, so I had videos of the entire series. Those were really all I needed; my interest doesn't ultimately depend on anything but the show itself. >How did you find out about Lysator and/or Space City? Web search. - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:00:09 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Lisa Williams CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question) Message-ID: <35400E49.4814@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regarding what other things we're fans of: Television shows... Buffy the Vampire Slayer Xena Babylon 5 Doctor Who The Prisoner. Japansese animations (Ranma 1/2, The Slayers) I consider myself a fan if I collect on tape or I've done costumes from it. :) print medium... Hannibal King, the vampire detective from Marvel Comics, created by Marv Wolfman. Anything written my Marv Wolfman is worthwhile if you appreciate traditional horror. The Phillip Marlowe novels and stories by Raymond Chandler. J.R.R. Tolkien's works Jane Austen's works I, Robot and sequels (Isaac Asimov) musicals... Wildhorn, a composer who has recently gotten some of his work produced on Broadway has done wonderful things. "Jekyll and Hyde" is a hit. "The Scarlet Pimpernel" deserves a bigger audience than it's been getting. "Svengali", when finished, will but "Phantom of the Opera" to shame. And the casts from these shows are incredible. I'm on the Scarlet Pimpernel mailing list, the only one I'm on besides this one. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:39:13 +1000 From: Bill Billingsley To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: fans Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980424133913.006cd7a0@rabbit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jackie wrote: >>The long term fans who did not/ have not joined fan clubs, or bought >>fanzines, or professional publications, how did you sustain your interest in >>Blakes 7 during the barren 80`s/early 90`s? I couldn't remember quite that much about it. Things picked up again when I found a video store with the tapes. (Aftermath/Power Play was the first tape I got out). >>How did you find out about Lysator and/or Space City? *trip* ouch! What was that? Oh look, it's a Blake's 7 list (quietly subscribes). (I stumbled across it from a link on a web page). -------------------------------------------------------- The Loch Mess Monster (occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:07:15 EDT From: ShelaB7 To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question) Message-ID: <8900da80.35400ff5@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit << Reuben Herfindahl wrote: What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider themselves ans of? >> My one and only fandom/interest is Blake's 7. I've watched Babylon 5, Star Trek, SAaB, and a few other shows, but nothing has grabbed my attention like Blake's 7. I DO like UFO but not to the extreme of Blake's 7. Shela ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:20:03 +1200 From: "Graham, Gregory" To: "'Una McCormack'" , Lysator Subject: RE: [B7L] Pooh and company Message-ID: <710458B7BCD3D011897D0000F8003AB791D984@invex.agresearch.cri.nz> Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Una McCormack [SMTP:umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk] > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 11:15 PM > To: Lysator > Subject: [B7L] Pooh and company > > There is a Pooh / Blake's 7 crossover story on 'The Aquitar Files' > > > Una > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > Ye GODS, Now I've heard everything! Where can I get a copy, should be worth it for the humour value at least :]. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:26:28 +1200 From: "Graham, Gregory" To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: RE: Seven as Pooh (was Re: [B7L] New frame captures) Message-ID: <710458B7BCD3D011897D0000F8003AB791D985@invex.agresearch.cri.nz> Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathryn Andersen [SMTP:kat@welkin.apana.org.au] > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 10:48 PM > To: Blake's 7 list > Subject: Seven as Pooh (was Re: [B7L] New frame captures) > > On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 05:35:45PM +1000, Bill Billingsley wrote: > > Which Pooh characters would you cast in which roles.... > > > > Christopher Robin - Blake > > Pooh - Tarrant > > Rabbit - Avon > > Piglet - Vila > > Eeyore - Gan > > Owl - Cally > > Kanga - Jenna > > Roo - Dayna > > No... > Pooh - Gan > Piglet - Vila > because Pooh is a gentle, kind bear, though of little brain, > and Piglet is his timid friend, which I think is a good representation > of the Gan-Vila relationship > I agree with Calle - Owl is Orac. > Yes, Avon is probably Rabbit. > Tarrant is Tigger - very boucy and impulsive. Tarrant isn't like Pooh > at all! > I don't think there *is* an Eeyore character in the Seven, there isn't > anyone who's really terminally depressed like Eeyore is - unless you > count Slave? > So who do we have left? > Kanga and Roo, Cally, Jenna, Dayna, Soolin, Zen, Servalan and Travis. > Hmmm, not enough to go around. > Jenna would be my best guess for Kanga(the big one?) though it's a bit of a squeeze and Soolin may fit as Roo. But it's not as hard as trying to get a villain into the 100acre woods (Travis as a heffalump?) > -- > _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen > > / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat > \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" > v | > ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern > Hemisphere > Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #121 **************************************