From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #119 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/119 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 119 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Tigger and submissive Avon Re: [B7L] Re: Pages Bar Re: [B7L] New frame captures Re: [B7L] Re: The good ones in season 4 RE: [B7L] New frame captures [B7L] Re: The good ones in Season 4 Re: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Re: [B7L] zine piracy [B7L] Types of fan (was Re Christopher Wheatley) Re: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley Re: [B7L] New frame captures [B7L] Computer Illiterates Re: [B7L] New frame captures [B7L] Fans and Memorabilia Re: [B7L] b7 movie soundtrack Re: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley Re: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S Re: [B7L] Re: The good ones in Season 4 Re: [B7L] Fans and Memorabilia [B7L] zine piracy Re: [B7L] New frame captures Re: [B7L] New frame captures Re: [B7L] Tigger and submissive Avon [B7L] Captures and Kinks Re: [B7L] New frame captures Re: [B7L] New frame captures [B7L] Re: Christopher Wheatley Re: [B7L] New frame captures [B7L] Fandom Re: [B7L] Re: The good ones in Season 4 Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Re: [B7L] bigot Re: [B7L] New frame captures ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:05:55 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Tigger and submissive Avon Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tramilla: >> > Tramila really needs to see lots of Vila pics. me: >> *sigh* Take cover, everyone, she's channeling Tigger again ;-) Pat P: >who or what is Tigger? Whaaaaat!? You haven't heard of Tigger? Tigger is a character from Winnie-the-Pooh, a series of children's stories written (when? 40-50 years ago?) by AA Milne for (I think) his son, about his collection of stuffed toys. Currently top of my inner child's favourite reading list :-). Tigger is a tiger that bounces vigorously around the place, occasionally bumping into other characters and knocking them into streams etc. Not the safest individual to be around. I thoroughly recommend the books to children of all ages - they're a lot more sophisticated than a great deal of the pap aimed at the modern child, and contain much amusement for the adult reader. >> Actually, if we're voting for more than one ep, I'd like to plump for... >where did the expression, "plump for" come from? what does it really >mean? According to the on-line Merriam Webster dictionary: 2 : to favor or decide in favor of someone or something strongly or emphatically -- used with for http://www.m-w.com/netdict.htm >> ...City, and Sarcophagus as well. But Assassin's still the top of my list. >Yes, and the thought of Servalan purchasing and owning Avon is a concept >that has launched a thousand fan stories *sigh* 'Scuse me, I'm just off for a wee lie down. >PS I wonder what the men on this list think about why some of the fem >become so bestirred by the thought of Avon in submissive postures >(kneeling, shackled, unconscious, etc). Is this just such a delightful >contrast to his usual supercillious arrogant posturing? The desire to >puncture an inflated balloon? For me, the unconscious scenes give me the chance to gaze upon those lovely eyelashes with a minimum of distraction. (mmm, Aftermath...) I guess the contrast could have something to do with it - and the knowledge that he's eventually going to have to do something manly to get himself out of the fix he's in. >Do the men get juiced over seeing Jenna >playing the submissive to the barbaric King of the Goths? Yeah, do they? C'mon, guys, 'fess up :-) ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:07:49 +0100 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Pages Bar Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una said: > What, is it Euro 96 time again?!? I'm still waiting for the new series of Film 97. They seem to have replaced it with some other program with a suspiciously similar name. I blame John Birt. Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:23:24 +0100 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat P asked: > who or what is Tigger? Tigger is a tiger in the Winnie the Pooh stories by A.A.Milne. Like most of the other characters in WtP stories, he is actually one of the toys of a little boy called Christopher Robin (Pooh is a teddy bear), but to the other toys, he's real. He's not really dangerous, just very bouncy, fun, impetuous and clumsy. If you know about Calvin and Hobbes, Hobbes is basically Tigger - there's virtually no difference at all, except that Tigger doesn't have the malicious streak that Hobbes has, he's just a bouncy fool. I'm amazed there are actually people who don't know about Pooh and company! (Being an Aussie is no excuse - I was an Aussie till the age of six). > where did the expression, "plump for" come from? what does it really > mean? Presumably used when choosing the biggest cream cake from a range of virtually identical ones. Doesn't matter which you choose, you'll get equally plump. > PS I wonder what the men on this list think about why some of the fem > become so bestirred by the thought of Avon in submissive postures > (kneeling, shackled, unconscious, etc). Is this just such a delightful > contrast to his usual supercillious arrogant posturing? The desire to > puncture an inflated balloon? Do the men get juiced over seeing Jenna > playing the submissive to the barbaric King of the Goths? Maybe. But she's far sexier when glaring back at Avon or Blake. Just as Leia was sexier in her white robes and ear-muff hairstyle facing down Tarkin than lounging in her metal bikini at Jabba's feet. Well, OK, it's a close-run thing - those robes conceal far too much, and that bikini is a long way in the opposite direction. Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:08:52 +0100 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: The good ones in season 4 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una wrote: > Dangermouse said: > > >Unmitigated Worthless Crap: > > > >Animals > > No, I'm just *not* having this!!! Neither is anyone else. I'm amazed they bothered to release it on video at all. :-) Tom Forsyth. P.S. I'm up for Una's mad statistics experiment. As long as they prove I'm not mad. That'll show them, the fools. They'll learn that I'm no nutter. They can't keep me in this cell forever. I'll chew my way out eventually. These straps can't stop me. Nothing can. You see - I'm Batman. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:38:17 +1200 From: "Graham, Gregory" To: "'pussnboots@geocities.com'" , blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] New frame captures Message-ID: <710458B7BCD3D011897D0000F8003AB791D973@invex.agresearch.cri.nz> Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Patera [SMTP:pussnboots@geocities.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 4:00 PM > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures > > PS I wonder what the men on this list think about why some of the fem > become so bestirred by the thought of Avon in submissive postures > (kneeling, shackled, unconscious, etc). Is this just such a delightful > contrast to his usual supercillious arrogant posturing? The desire to > puncture an inflated balloon? Do the men get juiced over seeing Jenna > playing the submissive to the barbaric King of the Goths? > What! Where! Quick to the Batvideo! We have Jenna ogling to do Robin. Actually I watch it for the stories and, occasionally, for the sfx. 'Corse that's what most men say about playboy as well... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:14:10 -0400 (EDT) From: brent@ntr.net To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: The good ones in Season 4 Message-Id: <199804230014.UAA05869@rome.ntr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In my most humble opinion, I must put forth my list. A) because I feel it is my duty as a fan and B) because I LOVE lists. The Good: Blake (One of the best) Gold (Servalan wins!) Sand ("And she got it, too, didn't she--your . . .sympathy, I mean") Orbit (I would definitely not want to be a member of Avon's--uh, never mind) Games (For some reason, I can't remember this one too well, but I know I liked it) Warlord (Goodbye, Xenon base. Smart move, Avon) The Bad: Stardrive (At least they got a super-fast engine out of it) Power (The battle of the sexes at its most cliched) The Ugly: Animals (How can these thugs be causing so much trouble if we've never heard of them?) Animals (Why do they look like 20th century punks?) Animals (Egads, that hair!) The ones I didn't classify, I cannot recall well enough to place them. Can we do third season next week???? Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:21:04 +0100 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jackie said: > When I became a *fan* of Blakes 7, I wanted to read absolutely > everything about it. I bought books, magazines, comics- anything that > contained a mention of Blakes 7. [Then she joined fan clubs and all the rest] > Perhaps I made the mistake of assuming that someone who said he was a > fan of Blakes 7 since the beginning would have a collection of > memorabilia. Although I have yet to meet a *fan* who does not collect > memorabilia. Perhaps Chris (and yourself) are the first. Is there anyone > esle on the list who is a fan of Blakes 7 and does not collect > memorabilia? I'd like to class myself as a fan. I'm a fairly newly-uplifted one, having seen it when very young, vaguely thought about it sometimes, and then having a girlfriend who raised me to "active" fan status by having all the videos (and it's all Una's fault :-). So now I read & write (time-permitting) fanfic. And dribble ramblings onto this list. But I've never been much of a collector, except for Lego bricks (bigger spacecraft - we need much bigger spacecraft), and consequently have nothing aside from a hard drive full of fanfic, transcripts and half-baked story ideas. Louise collects the zines, and I read them, and she came ready-equipped with the full set of videos. I don't even collect signatures. I'm just not that sort of person. There's lots of different sorts of fans. Tom Forsyth. P.S. Apologies to Dick Durkin for the mis-quote. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:38:21 EDT From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-ID: <19980422.173034.14311.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> I also like HOK, if for the only reason that it was where I first discovered Stephen Pacey has a *really* nice behind. (And I am not a Tarrant fan) Peace, Penny _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:09:56 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] zine piracy Message-Id: <199804230216.VAA27091@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Judith Proctor wrote: >Nobody at all has permission to print my zines in quarto (I think Americans >call it legal or letter size) paper. If a zine isn't printed on A4 paper, >then it is a pirate copy. The genuine copies are about half an inch taller >than a standard US zine. To make that a bit more clear for those on the US side of the pond: "quarto" = letter size = 8.5" x 11" = 216mm x 279 mm A4 = 8.27" x 11.69" = 210mm x 297 mm Judith's zines should properly *only* appear in the second size. (Judith, legal size is 8.5" x 14", different from letter.) - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:33:10 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Types of fan (was Re Christopher Wheatley) Message-ID: <199804222233_MC2-3AC1-1195@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jackie asked: >Is there anyone else on the list who is a fan of >Blakes 7 and does not collect memorabilia? Well, not really. At the time, I think I got one model Liberator, one T-shirt with 4th season logo which glows in the dark, three not-very-good novelisations and a Marvel Monthly with pictures of the Blake shootings. The rest of the MM was rather dull (apart from a letter from Neil Faulkner asking them to do something more interesting) so I didn't bother to get any more. I'm just not into memorabilia in any field; I can see that it means a lot to some fans, but not to others. For instance, some cricket fans are obsessed by memorabilia - they have their own Cricket Memorabilia Society - but, unless the object has some particularly intense personal interest for me, I couldn't care less about it. But I don't think anyone has ever suggested that this means I am not a true cricket fan. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:47:43 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley Message-Id: <199804230241.VAA29690@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jackie wrote: >Is there anyone esle on the list who is a fan of Blakes 7 and does not >collect memorabilia? Define "memorabilia". I buy a zine or two occasionally. Not compulsively, though; I've no desire to obtain every one available. I have the show on video, but I have *lots* of videos and I don't consider them "memorabilia". I read a few B7 interviews in _Starlog_ back when I still subscribed to and read _Starlog_, which I no longer do. I don't collect those or any other magazine articles, or anything else pertaining to the show. Oh, I did once have a miniature model of the Liberator, a couple of inches long, that someone gave me. It did not survive the ravages of Servalan, my evil Burmese, who thought it was fun to knock the thing off the shelf and charge around the house, growling fiercely, with it in her mouth. (Never let cats watch television; gives them ideas.) I may still have the pieces somewhere, but I couldn't swear to it. I've never been a member of any fan club. I don't go to cons. I don't collect autographs, or have any particular interest in the actors who appeared on the show (other than saying "Oh, that's so-and-so" if I happen to spot one of them on something else.) I don't write fiction, fan or otherwise, because I don't enjoy writing fiction. I toss out occasional comments on the elists (which are among some 20 lists I subscribe to) and I do the frame capture library. And I don't sit around worrying about whether I am, or am not, a True Fan. Or whether Chris is. - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:09:48 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures Message-Id: <199804230303.WAA02057@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tom Forsyth wrote: >I'm amazed there are actually people who don't know about Pooh and company! So was I, but they're out there, poor things. On an equestrian BBS I monitor, someone was asking a farrier about a problem with a pet donkey named Eeyore. The farrier remarked that this was the second donkey named Eeyore he'd encountered, and where did that name come from? He really didn't know. Pat P wrote: >> where did the expression, "plump for" come from? what does it really >> mean? The word "plump" as a verb means to fall heavily, to drop with full impact. Hence, to "plump for" something is to put your full weight on that choice. The verb and adjective meanings of "plump" are actually derived from two different Middle Dutch words ("plompen" and "plomp", respectively) and are not immediately related, though the Dutch words might ultimately stem from a common root. - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:16:32 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Computer Illiterates Message-ID: <353D7D30.5B2A@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen Krummenacker wrote: > I wonder what Avon would have said to my coworker the other day who > asked me ... I patiently told her yes, > yet today, my manager said I'm not open enough to being asked > things.) Sorry, off topic. I'm just surrounded by incompetency and > reaching out to those I feel may understand. > heh heh, I can tell why your alias is Avona. Rather than quote Dogbert, surely there are some cutting Avon repartees to suit such occasions of baldly expressed stupidity? Best Avon put down lines: 1. Have you tried amputation? 2. I'm not expendable; I'm not stupid and I'm not going. 3. Well now, that makes it all worthwhile. more? Rest easy, Helen, for here you dwell amongst a flock of INTJs who understand exactly. For Lo, tho I struggle thru the Valley of Mundanes, I shall not cavail... Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:06:03 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures Message-ID: <353EBE2B.4B53@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Forsyth wrote: >re: Pat P asked: who or what is Tigger? > I'm amazed there are actually people who don't know about Pooh and company! I did read all the Pooh books; I remember Christopher and Pooh and Eoyre (sp?) but don't recall Tigger. Now Hobbes I know well and dearly love his malicious streak; what one would expect of a tiger. > > > ... Do the men get juiced over seeing Jenna > > playing the submissive to the barbaric King of the Goths? > Maybe. That's a dodge if ever I saw one! > But she's far sexier when glaring back at Avon or Blake. Just as > Leia was sexier in her white robes and ear-muff hairstyle chortle chortle those ram-horns > Tarkin than lounging in her metal bikini at Jabba's feet. oh, gag me with a spoon ':o Leia needed to take lounging lessions from Servalan. oh luscious, that scene in the red ruff with Krantor. I could tell he was thinking of signing up for lounging lessions :) Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:35:18 EDT From: ShelaB7 To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Fans and Memorabilia Message-ID: <6bd8fc8c.353ec508@aol.com> Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_893306118_boundary" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_893306118_boundary Content-ID: <0_893306118@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Since no one is expressing any *passion* for the fandom in this thread, I'll be the first. I have a great passion for the show and for my two favorite characters (Avon and Tarrant). I'm not ashamed or embarrassed to admit that I can, and have, gone into lust mode for both of them. I'm not sure I'd say this carries over to the actors who play the roles, but I do LIKE the actors. I don't collect "fan memorabilia" -- I'm not interested in "teleport bracelets", models, and such, but I love reading B7 fanfiction, especially erotica, especially slash; I also enjoy gen stories. I do buy and keep fan zines, but, like Lisa, I don't have a need to possess every B7 zine published. Just the ones that look interesting to me. I own and watch all the B7 tapes. I don't know if that would be considered memorabilia but they are prized possessions. I just recently turned 23 and the only show I have ever had any interest in is B7. It is my only fandom and the B7 lists are the only lists I'm on. (I don't know HOW in the world Lisa handles 20 of them, WOW!) If someone were to ask me WHY I'm a B7 fan, I'm not sure I could answer. I saw the show by accident one night and was instantly hooked. It's MORE than just my attraction for Avon and Tarrant. I adore the whole show. I love everything about. I realize this has all been said a hundred times before but I'm going to say it again... I love the characters; I love the character interactions; I love the way the characters changed and grew; I love the dynamics of the show; I love the *often* over the top acting; I love the wobbly sets, the questionable fx, the kitchen utensil spaceships. I wouldn't change a thing. I love having Blake's 7 be a part of my life. It's a thrilling, harmless, fun fantasy. Shela I wish I were more articulate so I could have said this better. :( --part0_893306118_boundary Content-ID: <0_893306118@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: ShelaB7 Return-path: To: kinkade.carol@ssdgwy.mdc.com Subject: Fans and Memorabilia Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:38:56 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well, since no one seems willing to express any passion for the fandom, let me be the first. I have a great passion for my two favorite characters (Avon and Tarrant). I'm not ashamed or embarrased to admit that I can, and have, gone into complete lust mode for both of them. I love reading B7 fanfiction, especially erotica, especially slash. But I also enjoy gen stories. B7 is my ONLY fandom. The only show I have any interest in. I love everything about the show. --part0_893306118_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:30:42 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] b7 movie soundtrack Message-ID: <353EC3F2.4217@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen Krummenacker wrote: > > Well they resurrected Lost In Space, someone somewhere with the bucks & > > influence to make it happen surely must also see that B7 could make a great > > movie. Even the just Servalan character rising through the Federation > > Academy could make a great story ..... I see a beautiful, strong, ambitious > > cadet who wants to rule the galaxy..... and in the movie she quite possibly > > is black ! Like GI Jane with the tables turned? She terrorizes and tortures the drill sergeants? > > Anyone in particular in mind? Grace Jones. She was fabulous in the 70s James Bond movie(s) Whatever happened to Jones? What if Avalon and Del Grant and Del Tarrant were also in the flick as cadets? All bail for their own reasons, however; possibly those reasons include hazing from Servalan and the other upperclass snits. Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:00:53 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley Message-ID: <353ECB05.11DE@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jackie wrote: re: Bill B wrote: > Perhaps this has all blown up over the definition of the word *fan*. I greatly admire the fans who have learned and collected everything about Blakes 7. Those of us who lack the inclination to do so learn a lot from them without much effort on our parts. So a big thank you to the "movers and shakers" of fandom, such as zine publishers and prolific writers and con organizers, etc. (you know who you are, and so do we!) I also am entertained by the new fans. Their passion and enthusiasm is charming and energizing. Now, to old and jaded fans, these newbies can sometimes come on like overexcited puppies pissing on your foot. And one's impulse could be to smack them with a rolled up newspaper - much like what happened to Grace R recently (Grace, if you're still subbed, please lick your wounds and come back to play - we do bite, but not hard enough to break a thick skin). While I'm sometimes puzzled that sensitive people would even be attracted to a show like B7, some are; and they can be easily scared off. And then the list is only full of us old farts. Sort of like the Q Continuim (ST:TNG reference). > > Blakes 7 has become a *hobby* with me. well said; my feeling as well > ... Is there anyone > esle on the list who is a fan of Blakes 7 and does not collect > memorabilia? I collect favorite zines, and have bought some illos prints, have framed color zine covers on the wall, and of course have all the vids, and have written a bit for fandom, but collecting stories / magazines on the actors falls outside the pale of my interest. Same for amassing toy ships, bracelets, etc. I adore *this* story, and don't much care if Sally played a housewife on EastEnders, Paul was on a quiz show, etc. The dark psychology of the story holds a true fascination for me. And the myriad takes and spins on the basics has been the pivitol fascination of the fan stories. I'm ever impressed by the original "takes" of fen. Likewise on this list: the unique observations posted. > For an interesting twist on why we like the series, perhaps Chris should > try polling the Space-City members. The answers from there should make > the lecturers sit up and take notice. :D Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:12:57 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S Message-ID: <353EBFC9.1734@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen Krummenacker wrote: re: > Graham, Gregory wrote: > > Except for those of us who have already become too powerful to be > > limited to chairman/president. One will only settle for Supreme > > Commander. > In that case, I think I'll apply for position of Goddess. :) I do hope you're practicing your quick draw, grrl, cuz that title is already taken and if you want to fight over it, you'll have to do battle with the Golden Goddess Soolin. Pat P Acolyte at the Temple of the Golden Goddess Soolin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:46:42 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: The good ones in Season 4 Message-ID: <353EC7B2.6F46@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit brent@ntr.net wrote: > The Good: All 4th season, I see. I approve; I love 4th season, when we get to see down to the dark, dismal depths of their souls. > > The Ugly: > Animals (How can these thugs be causing so much trouble if we've never heard > of them?) > Animals (Why do they look like 20th century punks?) > Animals (Egads, that hair!) You're thinking of Stardrive, dear. The punk riding-mower morons, the troll hair-dos. But I liked Stardrive just for the camp bits. And we get to see Avon & Soolin showing their true colors, sending down Vila and Dayna for Rat Bait. Animals? How sad that when Dayna got her moment in the sun, i.e. her starring episode, they didn't play up her strengths: her skill with primitive weaponry and survival. I should have loved to see her save the others when they get stranded on some primitive planet with only Dayna for resources. But no, they turned this amazing warrior woman into a puddle of mooning mush moaning over a bug-eyed old geezer. Plus, I'll never forgive the producers for not strapping Avon into that chair, at the mercy of Servalan priming him to kill Blake: I can hear Avon growling now: "I hate him! I *hate* him!" Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:42:17 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Fans and Memorabilia Message-ID: <353ED4B9.17B6@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ShelaB7 wrote: > Since no one is expressing any *passion* for the fandom in this thread, I'll > be the first. > I wouldn't change a thing. > I love having Blake's 7 be a part of my life. It's a thrilling, harmless, fun > fantasy. > I wish I were more articulate so I could have said this better. :( oh Shela! I'm not one to post: "Me, too" but... "Me Too!" You said it all *Perfectly* :) Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:45:27 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] zine piracy Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sorry, I missed one obvious point. (The fact that the pirate zines can easily be mistaken for Linda Knight's editions made me briefly forget Jo ann) Jo ann McCoy of Maverick press agents for me directly. She does not print my zines in the US, but forwards orders to me. Any zine bought from her will be an A4 zine. I trust her totally. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:04:24 -0700 From: Tramila To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980423000424.006e2fc8@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tramila wrote: >> I knew it didn't sound right but I couldn't put my finger on it. >> And me a long time Trek fan. Avona wrote: >Tee-hee, be interesting to do a frame capture set from both-- sort of a >visual fanfic crossover? I think there was a song vid made using the two but that was several years ago. Tramila --------- Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:01:46 -0700 From: Tramila To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980423000146.006e16e0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tramila wrote: >>but if that will get you to consider the episode than go for it. Tramila really needs >to see lots of Vila pics. Nicola wrote: >*sigh* Take cover, everyone, she's channeling Tigger again ;-) Tigger? I never knew who Tigger was until my FK friends used that name and mine in the same sentence. hummmmmmmm. I guess one of these days I'm going to have to watch that show. maybe not. Maybe I can watch for the grandkids and if I am very, very lucky that will be in a very long time. Tramila --------- Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:13:04 +1000 From: Bill Billingsley To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Tigger and submissive Avon Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980423171304.006b858c@rabbit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" PatP: >>PS I wonder what the men on this list think about why some of the fem >>become so bestirred by the thought of Avon in submissive postures >>(kneeling, shackled, unconscious, etc). Mostly we just wonder why there was all the fuss when treating the oposite gender as sex objects was the typical male thing to do... :-) > >>Do the men get juiced over seeing Jenna >>playing the submissive to the barbaric King of the Goths? > Sorry, nope. Although Servalan all tied up on the beach (Aftermath) was kinda cute :-> And Soolin looked pretty good too... (although is it just me or did that jumpsuit look as though it had been made for a woman with a larger bust size than our Glynnis?) -------------------------------------------------------- The Loch Mess Monster (occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:12:36 +0100 From: Russ Massey To: pussnboots@geocities.com Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Captures and Kinks Message-ID: In message <353D6B2D.5FBC@geocities.com>, Pat Patera writes >PS I wonder what the men on this list think about why some of the fem >become so bestirred by the thought of Avon in submissive postures >(kneeling, shackled, unconscious, etc). Is this just such a delightful >contrast to his usual supercillious arrogant posturing? The desire to >puncture an inflated balloon? Do the men get juiced over seeing Jenna >playing the submissive to the barbaric King of the Goths? > Hmm. Can't say that it gets me going at all. There again, it's not *really* submision, is it? Jenna is going with the flow and playing for time, using the situation as a possible way of finding the location of the brain print while (fairly) confident that she'll be rescued at some point. To my mind Jenna is far sexier when she's strutting around in a position of authority, as when she's 'inspecting' the prisoners in Bounty, or standing up to Raiker in Space Fall. I have to admit a sneaking fondness for the scenes of the captive Cally in Volcano - about the only redeeming feature of that episode IMO. Harking back to the discussion on sexism, it's clear that B7 didn't have the same kinkiness factor as the Avengers, where virtually every episode would have Steed's current companion tied up, wear fetishistic costumes or bandy double-entendres. B7 was a lot more equal, I think, with regard to capture. Checking my handy-dandy Sevencyclopaedia I find: Number of times captured: Avon: 17 (2 of which were voluntary) Blake: 10 Cally: 11 Dayna: 12 Gan: 5 Jenna: 7 Soolin: 1 Tarrant: 12 Divide these numbers by the number of series in which each character appeared and we get, ranked in order of captures per season: Dayna: 6.00 Tarrant: 6.00 Blake: 5.00 Avon: 4.25 Cally: 3.67 Jenna: 3.50 Gan: 3.33 Soolin: 1.00 No obvious imbalance between the sexes there. -- Russ Massey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:17:50 -0700 From: Tramila To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980423001750.0072931c@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >PS I wonder what the men on this list think about why some of the fem >become so bestirred by the thought of Avon in submissive postures >(kneeling, shackled, unconscious, etc). Is this just such a delightful >contrast to his usual supercillious arrogant posturing? The desire to >puncture an inflated balloon? Do the men get juiced over seeing Jenna >playing the submissive to the barbaric King of the Goths? PA...AT!!!!! Gee. The only good thing about Jenna being submissive was that she used it as manipulation. Which reminds me. I loved Servalan's response to the King about Jenna. Something like: "Oh please! She is in a superior Federation citizen. She let you won." LOL. Love it. Oh and BTW, your 'kneeling, shackled, unconscious' reminds me of all the lovely nights we spent as Escapade talking about the arrogant gentlem.....I mean....man. I need SLEEP! you can tell. Tramila --------- Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:35:45 +1000 From: Bill Billingsley To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980423173545.006bd7b0@rabbit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 00:01 23/04/98 -0700, Tramila wrote: >Tramila wrote: >>>but if that will get you to consider the episode than go for it. > Tramila really needs >to see lots of Vila pics. > >Nicola wrote: >>*sigh* Take cover, everyone, she's channeling Tigger again ;-) > >Tigger? I never knew who Tigger was until my FK friends used that name and >mine in the same sentence. hummmmmmmm. I guess one of these days I'm >going to have to watch that show. maybe not. Maybe I can watch >for the grandkids and if I am very, very lucky that will be in a very long >time. > Cries of "HEATHEN!!!!!!!! SHOW?! AAAAAAAAARGGGGGGHHHHH!!!" :-) Winnie the Pooh was originally a series of extremely good books. If you get them, get the ones with illustrations by E.H.Sheppard -- they are a *lot* better than some of the cheaper versions, and millions of times better than the American cartoon. I used to hae a copy of "The House at Pooh Corner" in Latin... Which brings on the obvious question... (for those who know Winnie the Pooh)... Which Pooh characters would you cast in which roles.... Christopher Robin - Blake Pooh - Tarrant Rabbit - Avon Piglet - Vila Eeyore - Gan Owl - Cally Kanga - Jenna Roo - Dayna ? - ---------------------------- Bill Billingsley whb@bha.oz.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:22:49 +0100 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] Re: Christopher Wheatley Message-ID: <893317144.1014188.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can understand what Jackie means about feeling wary of requests for info from people who want to write theses. I felt the same when I first read the request, though I think it has been cleared up to some extent now. However I must say, I think in turn Jackie is being a bit too restrictive in deciding who counts as a real fan. Perhaps there should be a category of 'super-fan' for people like Jackie and Judth and others for whom B7 is (as she says) a major hobby, and 'fan' for others for whom it is one of their interests (like me). I think most people would say I am a 'fan' (I mean people outside of B7 would) but I wouldn't dream of buying memorabilia, and my reading is much more restricted than Jackie's I'm sure. > What I meant by *real fan* is some-one who has some knowledge and > opinions of their own, and not just asks how to contact the > actor/actresses. Now I would agree here, completely. But I pass this test, and not most of your others. I'm not being defensive BTW - if you want to say 'well, actually, Alison, I wouldn't count you as a real fan' that's fine too. Alison PS - Oh No, I've got a Myers Briggs comment coming on.. .. phew.. kept it under control ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:17:26 -0700 From: Tramila To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980423011726.00e61600@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Tom Forsyth wrote: >>I'm amazed there are actually people who don't know about Pooh and company! Lisa wrote: >So was I, but they're out there, poor things. On an equestrian BBS I >monitor, someone was asking a farrier about a problem with a pet donkey >named Eeyore. The farrier remarked that this was the second donkey named >Eeyore he'd encountered, and where did that name come from? He really >didn't know. Only in the last 6 months or so did I really know about Tigger and only last March (yes that is last month) did I know about Eeyore and I still wish I didn't know. Those characters are just too weird. Now why can't they make cute Vila houseshoes instead of Tigger and Eeyore one. Can you imagine it? Vila would always be in seventh heaven looking up.. Oh the tangled thoughts we seize when we have only sex to see. Tramila --------- Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:42:47 +0100 From: "Borg, Peter: IEG" To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] Fandom Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MimeMultipartBoundary" --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain I've been watching the discussions of fandom with interest, and would like to give a personal view. I would say I am a fan of B7, and as a result of my interest in the show, I enjoy watching it, discussing it, attending conventions, etc. etc. I don't have much in the way of memorabilia, apart from a photo of Servalan (which I like because it's camp) and the videos, which I have because I wanted to watch them all again - I still watch an episode or two from time to time, but not frequently. I also enjoy watching the Star Trek shows and Babylon 5, but would not define myself as a fan of either. I've been to ST cons, discussed ST on mailing lists & newsgroups, but still wouldn't define myself as a fan. I was a fan of B7 when I had no memorabilia, no videos, no-one to talk about it with, never went to conventions and did not belong to a fan-club. By definitions given here, I was therefore not a fan at that time - I beg to differ. A fan is anyone who defines themselves as such. The fact that someone is described as a fan indicates that they have more than just a passing interest. There are no requirements for this; you don't have to own memorabilia or run a web site or watch the videos constantly to be a member of a particular fandom. I have always enjoyed being a part of B7 fandom, as I've found that it's all-welcoming, doesn't take things too seriously, and it's generally quite friendly and a good laugh. I feel that defining who can call themselves a fan and who can't is cabalistic in the extreme, and is moving to the type of fandom I have witnessed in certain sections of the ST fan world. I sincerely hope B7 fandom does not move in this direction, but remains light hearted and continues to keep its sense of humour. If the tone of B7 fandom changes away from this, I for one would not want to be part of it. Peter. --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:50:55 -0700 From: Tramila To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: The good ones in Season 4 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980423015055.007325b8@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Pat wrote: >Plus, I'll never forgive the producers for not strapping Avon into that >chair, at the mercy of Servalan priming him to kill Blake: I can hear >Avon growling now: "I hate him! I *hate* him!" LOL The imaginary Pat. Oh MY!!!! You have GOT to wrote this story!!!! Tramila --------- Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:43:30 -0700 From: Tramila To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980423014330.00e64a94@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> I agree 100%. And of course, I can't resist Avon's rousing from his >>monomania long enough to bail everyone out of the mess. Something about >>Tarrant being shown up, I think! D. Rose Oh yes I agree!!!!! Ian wrote: >Oh it's always nice when Tarrant gets shown up. Wouldn't it have been nice >if Vila had shot him at some point!! :-) Now there's a thought.... a happy thought. Tramila --------- Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:44:54 +0100 From: "Dangermouse" To: "B7 Main List" Subject: Re: [B7L] bigot Message-Id: <199804230855.JAA00978@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Roger The Shrubber > I see Vila as being possibly the least racist - a bit like a Ferengi - he > would do business with anyone regardless of where they were from, as long > as there was a benefit/profit for him. Avon - he'd despise everybody equally. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 1998 11:00:35 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Bill Billingsley writes: > Owl - Cally No. Orac is Owl. Cally can be Eeyore. I'm not sure who Gan should be. A heffalump, maybe :-) -- Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #119 **************************************