From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #106 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/106 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 106 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Deliverance costume exhibit [B7L] Oracnix [B7L] People I met at Deliverance [B7L] The really Famous Five [B7L] Phoenix Four TV/Computer = Zen? Starspotting RE: [B7L] TV/Computer = Zen? Re: [B7L] TV/Computer = Zen? Re: [B7L] Oracnix Re: [B7L] TV/Computer = Zen? [B7L] Temple Avatars Re: [B7L] Deliverance pros & cons Re: [B7L] On the espidoe 'Power' (long) Re: [B7L] Star spotting Re:[B7L] DSV 1 or 2 Re: [B7L] On the espidoe 'Power' (long) Re: [B7L] DSV 1 or 2 Re: [B7L] On the espidoe 'Power' (long) [B7L] B7 Novice Fanfiction Writer's Page [B7L] Everyone's con reports ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:56:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mary W O'Connor" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance costume exhibit Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Apr 1998 s.thompson wrote: > An aspect of Deliverance that no one has said much about so far, > and that I enjoyed enormously, was the exhibition of models, props, > and costumes. It was such a thrill to see the actual items! Agreed! > Servalan's white velvet > cowl dress, also in the exhibition, was skillfully copied by Mary > O'Connor for an impressive entry in the masquerade. Thank you, Sarah. Dave Walsh's routines were so memorable I wasn't sure anyone remembered me. Sadly, I did not spend enough time in the exhibition room, although I did take notes on a few costumes. :) I did not realise that the silver pullover with the large sleeves (Avon's from Shadow, Horizon) was actually silver leather, very light weight leather. It was pointed out to me by Rob Emery that Jenna's red and grey leather jacket had been carefully mended. At a panel Sally Knyvette recollected how it had split during the fight seen in The Keeper. She was answering a question about what episode she enjoyed - Jenna was getting into the action again. Sally said she enjoyed playing opposite Gola - Bruce Purchase. Back to what I liked at Deliverance: When Peter Tuddenham did Orac at the Welcome Friday - for me it was like hearing from a long lost friend. I never realized until that moment how much I have missed Orac. And I told Peter so, when I got the chance. Perhaps, I need to change my favourite character from Avon to Orac. Not that there is much difference there. Self-absorbed, self-reliant, opinionated know-it-all. -sigh- Being in the fancy dress, and having the long wait, I noticed how very patient the MC, Gary Russell, was with everyone making changes to what he was to say. (But then again, we did have alot of time to perfect what we were to do) Gary was polite and calm long after I would have been screaming. He leant a professional edge to the main events. Another great event for me was going onto the Liberator set that was the main stage and having a friend take my picture. (I'm easy) And wasn't it great! Everywhere, every line-up, I could talk to someone about Blakes 7. Not an easy thing for me to do at other cons I have attended. When Deliverance wasn't ready to start on Friday, I sat down with two strangers and had a great time chatting. I have a whole lot more friends now. Friends, co-workers, all think I was nuts spending all that money to travel from Canada to England and stay in a hotel all weekend. But I think it was money well spent. Wish I could afford Redemption. Mary O'Connor zvs225@freenet.mb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 15:38:47 +1000 From: Bill Billingsley To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Oracnix Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408153847.006a899c@rabbit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As I sit here compiling away, I can only wonder what it must have been like for Ensor compiling his programs on Orac... (only the poor Unix-inflicted people'll get this one...) > make debug sh: make: Go away, I'm busy doing some important research. > ps PID TTY TIME COMMAND 27026 ttyq3 7:59:06 research 18956 ttyq3 9:08:45 orac 1584 ttyq3 0:00 sh > kill -9 27026 sh: kill: Stop that. Now leave me alone. > kill -9 27026 sh: kill: I said leave me alone. > kill -9 18956 [1] + Done research > ....you can tell it's a dull day here can't you... -------------------------------------------------------- The Loch Mess Monster (occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:24:47 +0100 From: "Borg, Peter: IEG" To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] People I met at Deliverance Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MimeMultipartBoundary" --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain With all the Deliverance chat going on, I just wanted to say to anyone who saw me at Deliverance, sorry if I seemed a bit withdrawn, but the weekend was extremely busy, and in those moments I was standing around the con, I was a bit switched off. I hope I didn't offend anyone, and it was good to meet you, even if I didn't really talk all that much! Peter. --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:38:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] The really Famous Five Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lucy said: >On a completely different note, does anyone know if it's true that the MC >at the con, Gary Russell, once starred as Dick in ITV's Famous Five >series back in the late 70s, early 80s? Indeed he was, and very good he was too. There was a marvellous edition of the TV Times when 'The Famous Five' started, in which a two-page spread was given over to telling you what the 4 young actors did in their spare time. Gary is pictured sitting on a stool with a pile of Dr Who Target novelizations up to shoulder height! GR also went on to edit Dr Who Magazine, of course. 'The Famous Five' had a brilliant set of episodes with Brian Croucher in As (surprise!) the baddie, and he is banged to rights by our heroes, leading to the immortal line delivered in the way only Brian could: 'YOu got me into trouble by telling lies about me!' Classic. Una --------------------------------------------------------------------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:28:35 +1000 (EST) From: Gordon & Carol To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Phoenix Four Message-Id: <199804081028.UAA17248@magna.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Narrelle, Many thanks for the latest chapter in the Phoenix saga. My poor little printer is working over time at the moment printing it all out for me ( that's providing I haven't killed the poor machine in the meantime ). I look forward to curling up in bed later and having a bloody good read.. As for the Con reports, I , being one of the unfortunate sods who could not afford to attend, really enjoyed reading all the varied reports. However, don't you think it's time to chuck in the towel now.. It is getting to the point where it is hardly worth opening my digest post. Everyone sees things through different eyes, everyone has different tolerance levels. Many list members are reaching theirs and as a result are unsubbing.. For all those who signed their real names to their posts, lets call it a draw and move on, please.. Carol. Semper Fidelis LT Colonel Carol "Hondo" Mason < gcb7@magna.com.au > 63rd Squadron. Australian Branch- Ready Reserves " God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change. The courage to change the things I can. And the wisdom to bury the bodies of the people who piss me off!. And also help me to becareful of the toes I stand on today, As they may be connected to the arse I might have to kiss tomorrow." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:28:21 +1000 (EST) From: werry@netspace.net.au (John Werry) To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Subject: TV/Computer = Zen? Message-Id: <199804081328.XAA22851@hurricane.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tramila wrote (well after editing) >Just finished watching Space Fall. Have TV on Computer now. >Can do both at same time. hehehehehe OK OK - Please let us into the secret - how can you turn your Monitor into a combined TV and VDU (I'll assume that you can run video as well!)? What is this - Zen without the personality (mutter mutter seethe = envy) ? Regards: John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:36:34 +1000 (EST) From: werry@netspace.net.au (John Werry) To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Subject: Starspotting Message-Id: <199804081336.XAA24487@hurricane.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rob wrote: >> > Oh dear, yet another deluded soul. Blake rules Blake's 7. Everyone knows >> > that. :-) > > >> > -- Rob >> >> I'm sorry to say that if it wasn't for Orac, Blakes 7 wouldn't be half as >> good. > > >Hm. Orac's 7. Doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it? ;-) It does if you roll your R's (now try saying that 10 times very fast after 5 stiff soma & adrenalin's!!!). Regards: John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:43:41 +0100 From: "Borg, Peter: IEG" To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: RE: [B7L] TV/Computer = Zen? Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MimeMultipartBoundary" --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain Oops - done it again - what list software are you using Calle? It can't be that hard to change! Peter. > ---------- > From: Borg, Peter: IEG > Sent: 08 April 1998 14:39 > To: 'werry@netspace.net.au' > Subject: RE: [B7L] TV/Computer = Zen? > > Buy something like a WinTV card - Aerial cable into the back of your > machine, and hey presto, you can watch telly. You can even view teletext. > And guest what? Put a video inline on the RF cable as you would with an > ordinary telly and you can watch videos too! > > I did this to my system at home some time last year - *definately* worth > it (the card cost gbp79). > > Peter. > > ---------- > From: werry@netspace.net.au[SMTP:werry@netspace.net.au] > Sent: 08 April 1998 14:28 > To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se > Subject: [B7L] TV/Computer = Zen? > > > > Tramila wrote (well after editing) > > >Just finished watching Space Fall. Have TV on Computer now. > > >Can do both at same time. hehehehehe > > OK OK - Please let us into the secret - how can you turn your > Monitor into a > combined TV and VDU (I'll assume that you can run video as well!)? > > What is this - Zen without the personality (mutter mutter seethe = > envy) ? > > Regards: John > > --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: 08 Apr 1998 16:00:03 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] TV/Computer = Zen? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII "Borg, Peter: IEG" writes: > Oops - done it again - what list software are you using Calle? It can't be > that hard to change! It isn't hard to have the list make sure every reply goes to the list, no, but it's IMO wrong to do so. Sending something that should have been public as a private mail doesn't have any consequences beyond a small annoyance, and it can be trivially fixed by resending the message. Sending something that should have been private to the public list can potentially be disastrous for the involved parties, and it *can't* be fixed *at all*. Therefore, any list administered by me will be set up to avoid the second type of mistake as far as possible. -- Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 07:30:56 PDT From: "Don Trower" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Oracnix Message-ID: <19980408143057.13291.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Brilliant ! I spoke to PeterT at Stoke about his voice being so good for Orac / Zen. I told him that I used a couple of Orac/Zen WAVs for system error information messages on the computer system I use here, that went down well. Thank heavens I don't have Jenna pop up bit maps ! Don. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:40:28 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] TV/Computer = Zen? Message-Id: <199804081635.LAA18063@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" John Werry wrote: >OK OK - Please let us into the secret - how can you turn your Monitor into a >combined TV and VDU (I'll assume that you can run video as well!)? Any TV tuner or video capture card will do that for you. (It's getting so the only time I see TV shows at all is when I'm viewing them on my computer monitor while working on the frame capture library.) - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:27:34 +0930 From: "Ophelia" To: "B7 list" Subject: [B7L] Temple Avatars Message-ID: <01bd630f$6d9b5e80$0a4c18cb@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, for the sake of reintroducing the Goddess as a subject for this list, I've been thinking about her possible avatars. After all, every worthwhile goddess appears in the flesh every now and then. Unfortunately, I've drawn somewhat of a blank. So few people seem to live up to her! I've come up with only a few tentative suggestions. All the below are my heroines in one way or another: Aeon Flux Callisto ('cos she's a femme blonde killer with only one outfit.) Scary Spice Princess Ida (except that I can't see Soolin giving up her independence on the strength of such a crappy argument. Maybe Ida is more like Pella, actually, with the Seska as Ida's university.) Madeleine from Vertigo (but only in the first half of the movie. Any cool Hitchcock blonde would do, actually.) Catherine from Basic Instinct. Angua Von Uberwald. Of course, I am more and more convinced that Helga Gliersen is Soolin's truest avatar. An old tape I watched yesterday consolidated the issue for me. Incident one: Helga is being fitted for a new suit to wear to the Gestapo Club. However, every time the unfortunate tailor tried to adjust anything near her bust, bottom or crotch, Helga hit him. Incident two: Alberto: Are you a-going to offer me a good time? Helga (sweetly): How vould you like to go to ze Russian Front? Alberto: I was thinking of somewhere closer... Shades of Gold, I decided. I can't help it. I must say it - GIRL POWER!!!! - XXX Lindley Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." LONDON CALLING - a list to discuss Britcoms and knockwurst. http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/2511/knockwurst.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:14:15 +0930 From: "Ophelia" To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance pros & cons Message-ID: <01bd630d$9109b8a0$0a4c18cb@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >On Tue, Apr 07, 1998 at 10:18:00AM +0000, Dennis Collin wrote: >> To be honest, Kathryn's review was quite upsetting to those of us who had >> worked so hard to make the con work, so try and see some of Diva's >> comments in that light. And remember, it takes 2 (or more) to flame. >> Kathryn answered honest comments with a fair amount of, shall we say, >> passion of her own, but with not very much substance, and has stated that >> she doesn't want to reply to any of my comments on her report. Should I >> take it that she accepts that most of her complaints were not truly valid? Maybe I'm just easily upset at the moment becuase it's the wrong time of month, and therefore I'm sitting here clutching a heated wheat bag, up to the eyeballs with morphine and *still* unable to sleep, but this is getting too spiteful and redundant for my tastes. Kathryn did NOT flame during this discussion, so comments like "it takes two to flame" are distinctly unfair. I think Kathryn responded exceptionally well, under the circumstances. I'm all for a good argument, but it's unpleasant to see again what Cheryl - where art thou, Cheryl? I miss you - used to call the schoolyard bullying mentality of the list. Kathryn obviously didn't think the con was perfect - I fail to see why that's an excuse for Diva to attack her and Judith so personally and nastily. CUT IT OUT, GROW UP, AND LEARN TO ACCEPT CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM! I don't see that bowing out was an admission Kathryn was wrong - it was an exceptionally dignified and intelligent act, and one I probably wouldn't have had the grace to do in her position. After all, how many times can we expect her to repeat that SHE SAID SHE ENJOYED THE CON?!? Trying to let it dies out was the best thing she could do, and well done that girl. On the subject of nom de nets - Steve has a point. I shifted to using "Ophelia" after a distant acquaintance was harassed in person by someone who recognised her name on-line. After all, I express some pretty controversial opinions, and there isn't exactly a "Lindley Walter-Smith" on every street corner. It's not as if I was called Sarah or Rachael or Kylie Smith and could disappear among millions. However, whenever my identity is relevant to a discussion I *do* identify myself, and I think if Diva is going to speak from a specific association with the con like that she should have the courage to name herself. (I identify myself as Lindley on this list becuase, hell, most of you already know me by that name. It's too late to switch to a pseud.) Damn. Now I'm going to have to talk about Soolin to cheer myself up. - XXX Lindley Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." LONDON CALLING - a list to discuss Britcoms and knockwurst. http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/2511/knockwurst.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 04:47:21 +0930 From: "Ophelia" To: "B7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] On the espidoe 'Power' (long) Message-ID: <01bd6322$f4877d80$0a4c18cb@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you know, the first discussion I *ever* got involved with on this list was one of the semi-regular "is Power sexist" ones? Ah, sweet nostalgia. I agree with everything the "overtly Marxist editor" wrote, and I want to point out that the Joanna Russ essay is dead funny as well as perceptive. My agreement may be because I'm summat of a Marxist meself. But I particularly want to second this bit: << - Women vs. Seska: this implies that Seska are not 'real' (i.e., submissive) women. - You see the removal of the dynamon crystals as symbolic of rape, I prefer to see it as more symbolic of castration. Seska are not 'real' women because they are independent (of men) and powerful in their own right. They emulate men, and that is not permissible because it usurps man's monopoly on power.>> and I also want to add that I see the removal of the crystals as the *precursor* to rape. Nina makes it clear that she suffered sexual coercion as well as the removal of the crystals and, like the good little woman she is, learned to love it. It's worth mentioning that raping a man is symbolically equivalent to castrating him, as it replaces his definition as sexual by the "active" member, the penis, with a "hole" (vah\gina/anus.) So castration and rape are already symbolically linked. [Helen]: >I'm not going to quote the originals, but this is in response to a >discussion of the episode "Power". Frankly, I don't think we were >supposed to approve of either society. They were caught in a >self-destructive cycle of hate, instead of going outside their >preconcieved notions of male/female. Perhaps the reason Avon was able to >basically defeat _both_ cultures is that his own is slightly more >enlightened. He is proud of his mental strength and resorts to physical >violence only when forced to. Both cultures forced him to defend himself >and his friends from them. One was a group of savages similar to the >Goths, the other group had members as sexist as any male group could >ever have been. Rooting for Avon to resist the power of the evil Seskas >(and not all of them were evil), is no different from rooting for Dayna >against sexist male Federation officers. I'm not so sure about this. Remember, the Seska's hatred of the Hommicks was based on a pretty accurate assessment of the oppressive, patriarchal culture the Goths represent. (Witness their cruel treatment of the Seska they capture, for example.) That shows, pretty clearly I think, that everyone's favourite B7 writer was drawing a deliberate parallel between the Seska and lesbian separatist feminists. Avon, otoh, pretty firmly allied himself with the patriarchal culture by using exactly their mixture of sex and violence against Pella. I *can't* root for something that equated to rape, to "all you need is a good fuck to make you docile." If he'd just fought her, my reaction might have been different, but a man adding sex to an act of violence and coercion against a womyn leaves a very nasty taste in my mouth. As does all that crap about the male always being stronger. Go on, let's see a scuffle between Dayna and Vila and see who'll win... And, of course, Power is part of a long tradition of scifi in which Amazon societies are either destroyed or raped into submission. I may get a guilty erotic thrill out of them, but I find them politically offensive and personally scary. Point: the male culture *had* wimmin for breeding. They didn't *need* to capture and murder Seska. It was the sight of independent wimmin that enraged them. Avon conveniently forget that when he made his Prince Hilarion-ish statement about running out of people. [But pray reflect - If you enlist all women in your cause, And make them all abjure tyrranic Man, The obvious question then arises "How Is this Posterity to be provided?" *Princess Ida* Act II ] Of course, the answer is to capture one man and make him wank into a jar a few times - see Angela Carter's "Nights at the Circus" - but that's beside the point. Me, I don't think I'd prefer Castle Adamant myself, but if I lived on Xenon I'd definitely reconsider rather than be turned into a "vive la difference" doormat like Nina. My summation of "Power" is that I wish Soolin joining the group had been celebrated by an episode more worthy of her. Dammit, look, it's nearly 5 am and the cramps are *still* keeping me awake. - XXX Lindley (proving again her dictum that there's a W.S. Gilbert reference to fit every occasion .) Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." LONDON CALLING - a list to discuss Britcoms and knockwurst. http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/2511/knockwurst.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 04:06:17 +0930 From: "Ophelia" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Star spotting Message-ID: <01bd631d$37c37640$0a4c18cb@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul & Gareth were both in the brilliant teleplay series Hammer's House of Horror, too. Gareth played a dual role in the same play, as a Welsh cop and an Indian mystic, in one of the dumbest plays - less said about either his performance or the script the better. Paul played a cold, calculating antique dealer/practitioner of black magic - a rather Avonesque role - in a play about a virgin sacrifice being hunted by a cult. (It was much better than it sounds, truly, and Paul was great.) - XXX Lindley Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." LONDON CALLING - a list to discuss Britcoms and knockwurst. http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/2511/knockwurst.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 21:12:17 BST From: pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick Bean) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re:[B7L] DSV 1 or 2 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain On Wed 8 Apr 98 (02:42:50 +0200), blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se wrote: > Why Zen accepts Blake and co. is beyond me unless Zen assumes the System is > lost, or Zen it self is damaged. This has always been an oddity, why Zen and the ship were so 'human friendly' while the system was so un-friendly. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick David Bean) | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ Web http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pdbean ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 17:06:33 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] On the espidoe 'Power' (long) Message-ID: <352C1F1A.7FB4@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avon, otoh, pretty firmly allied himself with the patriarchal culture by using exactly their mixture of sex and violence against Pella. I *can't* root for something that equated to rape, to "all you need is a good fuck to make you docile." If he'd just fought her, my reaction might have been different, but a man adding sex to an act of violence and coercion against a womyn leaves a very nasty taste in my mouth. As does all that crap about the male always being stronger. Go on, let's see a scuffle between Dayna and Vila and see who'll win... Um, correct me if I'm wrong (I may well be, I oonly saw the epsiode once), but wasn't this another case of Avon kisses the girl to distract her while he uses her own weapon-- like with Sarcophagus? He used the crystal, which turned body mass into telekenitic energy against her-- didn't he? I took the "Man being stronger" comment to mean this-- once Avon learns it works on a body mass principle, the larger person (men being usually larger) is stronger. Vila _would_ defeat Dayna, useing telekenisis. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 17:11:34 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: pdbean@argonet.co.uk CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] DSV 1 or 2 Message-ID: <352C2046.355C@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patrick Bean wrote: > > On Wed 8 Apr 98 (02:42:50 +0200), blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se wrote: > > Why Zen accepts Blake and co. is beyond me unless Zen assumes the System is > > lost, or Zen it self is damaged. > > This has always been an oddity, why Zen and the ship were so 'human friendly' > while the system was so un-friendly. > -- Zen's pretty obviously AI, not just a standard computer. He has programming parameters he can't overcome, but they seem similiar to Gan's implant. Zen may be human-friendly due to contact with System slaves. At any rate, I think Zen decided, after the mantal contact with Jenna, that the new people were worthy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 17:19:03 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] On the espidoe 'Power' (long) Message-ID: <352C2208.223E@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quoting Ophelia "Me, I don't think I'd prefer Castle Adamant myself, but if I lived on Xenon I'd definitely reconsider rather than be turned into a "vive la difference" doormat like Nina." Agreed. But I still don't see how either culture is being held up as a standard. We align ourselves w/ Blake's 7, not with the Seskas or Hommiks. And, as you pointed out, Dayna could whup Vila in a fight any day. And I dare say Soolin could give the boys a run for their money mentally. Servalan is both feminine and powerful (and evil, but that's another problem of anti-feminist tendancies in Blake's 7... the only woman who isn't subordinate, is evil... but what SF show did better until very recent years?) I might also point out, that Avon seems only attracted to independent, capable women (Assassin being the really bad epsiode that excepted this... was the woman using pheremones or what? Sara couldn't fool Avon, and she tried the exact same "Helpless, cute me" act in season 1). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:27:48 EDT From: DCsquared To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: jmcguiga@succeed.net, robbins@graceland.edu, dsanders@alexandria.lib.utah.edu Subject: [B7L] B7 Novice Fanfiction Writer's Page Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit O.K. folks - I finally have enough of the fanfiction site functioning to make the address public. I have at least a few items on each page, but of course I will be adding to as often as I can. Also, PLEASE contact me with any suggestions or contributions you might have. Don't worry if there isn't a specific place for your idea right now - we'll be working out the details together as we go along. Those of you with real expertise, come on and share the wealth. We need you! So go visit, tell your friends, and write something for the site... Ahead standard by seven! http://members.aol.com/DCsquared/mainframe.html Donna Chlouber p.s. I currently have a few Java applets on the site. If you know your browser chokes on them, wait a few weeks and they'll be gone. Had to do that to demonstrate my proficiency (ha!) for my instructor. After 1st of May, I'll revise to make things as browser friendly as possible. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:02:22 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Cc: space-city@world.std.com Subject: [B7L] Everyone's con reports Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks, everyone, for posting your impressions of Neutral Zone and Deliverance. I've been really interested to read about everyone's experiences, likes and dislikes and so forth. Now I have a better idea of what to expect if I ever get to one of these events myself! I've also enjoyed seeing what some of you look like from photos on people's web sites. I know how tough it is writing these things up, especially after not enough sleep, and too much travel! Anyone else who's still recovering and wondering if they should bother to share their con reports - I'd love to see them! A special mention to Judith's husband Richard and his non-B7 fan's impression - I'm sure my partner would relate to this! Thanks, everyone, for your efforts - melon will never be the same... ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #106 **************************************