From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #10 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/10 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 10 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] PAUL DARROW ON BBC ONLINE Re: [B7L] PAUL DARROW ON BBC ONLINE Re: [B7L] Star One [B7L] fanzines [B7L] web rings Re: [B7L]Children of Auron [B7L] Budget Re: [B7L] Re: Jackie's flick Re: [B7L] Travis's Revenge! Re: [B7L] Travis's Revenge! [B7L] How Many Ways Back? Re: [B7L] Re: Jackie's flick [B7L] The City At The Edge of the World Re: [B7L] What Pushed Avon over the edge? Re: [B7L] PAUL DARROW ON BBC ONLINE [B7L] Get into the pay per call industry for FREE Re: Concerning:Re: [B7L] inside the liberator Re: [B7L] The City At The Edge of the World [B7L] Goodbye... [B7L] Observer preview of Sevenfold Crown [B7L] PGP fanfic Against a Dark Bkgr [B7L] Radio play ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:17:18 +1100 From: Sandy Douglas To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] PAUL DARROW ON BBC ONLINE Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Its very hot here in Melbourne today so I'll say that's my excuse for possibly not seeing the obvious but I went to the BBC site, sent in my details but how do you post a question. The screen says if you want to do so at the end of this page but how???? I have never worried about chat lines prefering private mailing lists like Lysator and I can see why Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:30:55 -0800 From: Rhonda L Stroud To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] PAUL DARROW ON BBC ONLINE Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980111123055.00682fa4@mail.halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:42 PM 1/10/98 +0100, R. Stroud wrote: >>My ISP refuses to carry any kind of chat capability, due to security issues >>(or at least, that's the reason they give). Bearing that in mind, could >>someone transcribe it and publish here? > >I'm sure someone will send a transcription, but it's worth knowing that >you'll be able to read a full transcription on the BBC's web site; it'll go >up a day or so after the event, and stay there indefinitely. > >Just go to http://www.oi.beeb.com, and follow the links to "Back Chats".... >Gareth >http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~gwr >Hi!! I just wanted to say Gareth, thanks for the info, and I'll see if I can weasel my way into chat mode anyway. As ever, Rhonda ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:44:11 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Star One Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Sun 11 Jan, Alison Page wrote: > And while we're at it, what's with Star One anyway? > > I love that episode - it must be in my top three or four - but what the > hell is going on? For a start, if there's an impenetrable minefield in the > way of the Andromedans, how did that small group of them get onto Star One > which is *this* side of the minefield? And how had Travis helped them, > seeing as they had never met him, and he had never been to Star One before? > He just seemed to be a liability to them, they didn't need him to drop the > shield - they had already figured out the Federation computer system. Travis told them the location of Star One (which he gained in 'Keeper'). If we assume that the Federation knew of the Andromedans from discovering a scout ship some time in the past (which is implied) then Travis would have known about this and probably know the frequencies etc. that they communicated on. If another scout ship had made it to this side of the barrier, then this would be the group that Travis contacted and that occupied Star One. You want to read 'Wit and Wisdom of the Dead' by Neil Faulkner in Star Three. It would be right up your street. It's all about Travis arguing with Docholli's brain print in an effort to get Star One's location from it. (There's an extract from it on the web page) > And Star One itself - what would happen when all the technicians living > there got too old to do their jobs anymore? Nobody would be able to replace > them, because nobody knew where they were. Got me there. Unless they'd developed something to delay the aging process. After all, Lureena didn't look a day older than when she left. (But then, by my reckoning she'd only been there a few years as I think Travis was lying about the date when Central Control was moved to Star One) One other thought. Suppose the interstellar drive that brought the Andromedans to our galaxy operated on a principle related to a laser cannon. ie. The drive isn't on the ships at all, they were propelled from base. Either they were given a massive shove (in some kind of ftl form obviously) and left to coast, or else some kind of energy was projected at them. This would restrict them to straight line travel when using the drive and thus make it much harder for them to simply go around the minefield. The maneouvering drive that they used in combat etc might have had limited fuel supplies, thus forcing them to find a way through the minefield. Hey, you know this is beginning to sound logical! Judith PS. My main beef with this epsiode is the speed with with the Federation reinforcements arrive. I still love it though. Somehow the wonderful tension and drama carry you beyond all the plot holes. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:01:22 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] fanzines Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 I'm just starting a major update on the fanzine section of the web page and I need help in several areas. Since Peg Kennedy vanished from the scene, several zines have probably gone out of print. Can people please tell me if they know of anyone still selling the following zines- Dark Between the Stars Resistance Plain Man's Guide to Alien Invasions Avon the Terrible The Big B7 zine Blakesindex Blake Rabble and Roll The Bondstone Children of the Federation Evasive Maneuvers Input Powerplay Raising Hell Roads Not Taken Straight Blakes 1,2 (issue 3 is still in print via Maverick Press) Something Unfriendly Linda Knights has picked up a lot of other titles that Peg used to agent, but she'll only publish a zine if requested to do so by the editor. If you publish a fanzine and it isn't listed on my page, please contact me and I'll gladly list your prices and contact details. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:26:40 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] web rings Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 There are two B7 web rings at the moment. Having looked at both of them, we've decided to join Peter Borg's one, but not the other. Peter's is better set up and seems far more likely to work smoothly. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:11:07 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L]Children of Auron Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Sun 11 Jan, AChevron wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-10 18:01:35 EST, you write: > > << There's precedent in Blake's 7 for clones being forced rapidly to maturity. > >> > > > I agree that that precident is there for the maturation of fetuses/clones > in a short period of time. I think the concern would have to be is how > "normal" a colony of such people would be, even without the added twist of > telepathy. Cally seems to have had a normal childhood/adolescence. She must have done. In 'Harvest of Kairos' she sees her 'mother' and 'father' in the sopron. As she was a clone, she must have had foster parents. However, it's worth noting that in 'Children of Auron', we see Servalan's clones at a recognisable fetus stage which suggests very rapid development indeed. Cally may have had a remarkably short childhood. > My solution of this puzzle, and I promise to try and not keep bringing this > up, is that at some point after the establishment of the colony other Auron > survivors, from Auron and off-world, made their way there. Even with Brood > Units, which we have no reason to believe Liberator to have carried, the > colony would still need tools, food, raw materials, educational materials, > etc. So outside contact of some sort would be nessacary. The good news is with > telepaths, security could be maintained better. I think it highly that some Auronar made it to Khan. After all, there would have been people in space ships, people on other planets, like Leeharn, and a few exiles like Cally. Given Auron's isolationist stance, I would suggest that these people numbered perhaps a few hundred. No more. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 17:26:43 GMT From: pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick Bean) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Budget Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain This must have come up before, but dose anyone know what the budget was for B7. What the most costly episode? etc. etc. Just out of interest. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick David Bean) | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ Web http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pdbean ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jan 1998 19:18:59 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: "*Blake's 7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Jackie's flick Message-ID: Neil Wagner writes: > 9.Measure for Measure (1978) (TV) .... Mariana > 10.Don't Raise the Bridge, Lower the River (1967) What did she do in between those? Eleven years is a rather long break. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se Mediocre minds think alike. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:11:45 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis's Revenge! Message-ID: <34B70311.29DC@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt Cherry wrote: > > The resulting freedom of Travis is a huge blunder, and in the > end, it appears good ole eyepatch really does win out. The Federation he > had worked so hard and ruthlessly for that turned his back on him was > dealt a serious blow and his most hated foe ended up dying at the hands > of a man he had "trusted from the very beginning". And haughty Servalan, who scorned and spurned him, was cast down from her almighty throne to slum about surreptitiously trying to steal technology in her hide-a-bye role as a lowly police commissioner wearing unattractive Beta grade makeup. Forced to consort with warty old geezers like Egrorian. And at the last, (or so I like to believe) dying uselessly on a dank backwater mudball, shot to death by the dark and devastating man who could have been to her what Travis never would. oh! the delicious irony of it! I never thought of Travis before as "the winner." What a great insight. Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:01:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis's Revenge! Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Matt Cherry wrote: > > > Just finished rewatching season 2 and i can't help but think that > Blake's attempt to prove the 7 were still a force to be reckoned with > following the death of Gan by opening fire on Space Command HQ was the > WORST thing Blake could have done, under the circumstances. However, > it's also one of the most important actions in the series, because it > affects the storyline up to the end. [words of much wisdom trimmed] > unstable leadership of Avon (IMHO. All this so Blake can flex his > muscles! The resulting freedom of Travis is a huge blunder, and in the > end, it appears good ole eyepatch really does win out. The Federation he > had worked so hard and ruthlessly for that turned his back on him was > dealt a serious blow and his most hated foe ended up dying at the hands > of a man he had "trusted from the very beginning". There's a chance that > the Liberator/Scorpio crew at it's peak in my opinion(From Trial to Star > One) could have remained intact and found some way of overrunning the > Federation without needing a costly alien invasion to do it from them. > You're quite right. If it hadn't been for the alien invasion, Blake's destruction of Star One would almost certainly have resulted in a rebellion, as happened after the intergalactic war. The federation military would have been stronger, but the key difference is that Blake would have been on Earth, coordinating the rebellion. We were told in "Rumours of Death" that the rebellion failed because the rebels spent too long kicking the corpses. I don't see Blake making that kind of mistake. > All this from a small neutron blaster strike at Space Command HQ Another crucial point is the end of "Gambit". Blake refuses to kill Travis, because he knows that Travis so hates himself that letting him go on living is the cruellest torture he can inflict on the man who killed so many of his friends. I think it's at this point that Travis starts considering his "Final Act": his struggle with Blake was really the only relationship with the rest of humanity he had left, and when Blake walks away from that Travis is so thoroughly alienated that he can contemplate destroying his own species. One shouldn't be too hard on Blake for this - after all, he can hardly be expected to think "but what if there's a race of shape-shifting aliens wanting to take out Star One and eradicate humanity" - but I still say Jenna had the right idea. 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Mariana > > 10.Don't Raise the Bridge, Lower the River (1967) To which Calle replied: > What did she do in between those? Eleven years is a rather long break. Stage? (That's just a guess, but it seems a likely preposition). > Mediocre minds think alike. Love it! Have to remember that one. Heather 'can't think of a clever quote to go here' Smith 'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish' -The fourth Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:39:41 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] The City At The Edge of the World Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I watched it for the first time Friday night and I have to say that it's good to know that Vila was getting some (crude, I know, but the first idea that popped into my head). I like Kerril! It is kind of sad that she wasn't able to stay with Vila. They make a cute couple, in my opinion. 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We do have ships this sort of size, but they are the full-sized > American aircraft carriers (the UK only has the much smaller pocket > carriers). Well, they did have a decent size carrier (HMS Hermes) but they went and sold it to a South American country. The naval museum in Portsmouth still proudly displays a miniature version of it (no, I don't mean the HMS Ark Royal that they replaced Hermes with :-P ) But now the UK's just left with the Illustrious, Invincible and Ark Royale. Not the most convincing flotilla, but then it doesn't get much exercise any more. And why would you need big aircraft carriers when all your neighbours are in flying distance anyway? Actually, in some ways it's rather like the Federation -- a tiny flock of miniature ships being sent after the real artillery. I've always wondered why they never amassed a really good ambush. Even in Duel they only had three pesky gnats chasing after Liberator. Bill. 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Cheers Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:35:03 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: William Billingsley To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Goodbye... Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My email account is aboust to expire, so I thought I'd better try to unsubscribe it. (I hope I got it right...) BTW, I'm off to the States for two weeks on Friday, and then the UK for another little while, so you never know I might rudely and horribly ring someone up if I'm in the area... runs cackling into the night... Bill. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:47:54 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Observer preview of Sevenfold Crown Message-ID: <199801112148_MC2-2EF0-6629@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Observer Life magazine ran a short preview of the radio play in its round-up of the week's radio programming yesterday (Sunday). Small picture of Paul Darrow and Jacqueline Pearce (as they are now). The previewer, Stephanie Billen, obviously knows something about our subject (I will attribute the misspelling Scorpion to a literal, which could happen to anyone). While admitting that the plot is "fairly daft" (only fairly?), she appears to have enjoyed it, is delighted with the return of the original cast, and singles out a joke I completely missed on the first hearing - apparently someone describes their surroundings as "an enormous quarry". The listings confirm that it will be broadcast on Saturday, January 17, from 2.30 to 4 p.m. (Radio 4, of course). Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 98 03:50:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.geis.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] PGP fanfic Against a Dark Bkgr Message-Id: <199801120403.EAA14021@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Annie, "Fool's Paradise" was in =Raising Hell= #4. I'm sure there are other stories that also use the "Blake and Avon set it up together" idea, but I can't seem to think of any of them at the moment. Alison, I hadn't really thought about the setting of =Against a Dark Background= and its possible similarity to the Federation; I'll just have to reread with that in mind. Interesting idea. What I do remember thinking when I read the book the first time was that the protagonist struck me as being rather like a female Avon. I do agree that the Federation we see represents a regression from an earlier, more technologically advanced civilization. Sarah Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 98 09:21:00 PST From: "Taylor, Steve [MIS]" To: blakes7 Subject: [B7L] Radio play Message-ID: <34BA514B@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Help I've just re-subscribed - my last reading of the runes was that the radio play was on this week but I can't find it listed! Anyone know what is happening. I know I should wait a bit in case its being discussed a lot but...panic has set in! SteveT (must be a clone) -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #10 *************************************