From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #92 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/92 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 92 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame) RE: [B7L] horizon [B7L] Still Horizon Re: [B7L] Apology (was Horizon (flame)) Re: [B7L] Recent Discussion Re: [B7L] Avon's skills Data Protection Act (was: Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame)) RE: [B7L] A Commander's Lot RE: [B7L] Horizon discussion Re: [B7L] Avon's skills Re: [B7L] A Commander's Lot Re: [B7L] Contributor's Motivations (was Horizon discussion) [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long) [B7L] Re: Outfits [B7L] Rage Against the Machine Re: [B7L] Pat Patera as wardrobe mistress Re: [B7L] Avon's skills Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion [B7L] cost of email Re: [B7L] Re: Outfits Re: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long) [B7L] net access Re: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long) Fwd: [B7L] net access Fwd: Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:14:54 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame) Message-ID: <019f01bf9aeb$9b640a40$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trish: > No penguins here alas, but I do have 16+ years of Catholic school behind me. Hey! Me too! All good Catholic girls fall for Neil, huh? > BTW Una, I'm starting to see a correlation between these trained animals and > your affection for *that* episode. What was it called? Ssh... Una ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:23:55 +0100 From: "Helm, Troy" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] horizon Message-Id: <200003310834.CAA02915@interlock.csw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A little off topic so this is my last comment on the subject ; ) I've been on the web for the past ~5 years and its only been the past year ISPs have become free. We still have to pay for the telephone bills (which cost the same for voice or data and the average person doesn't mind chatting on the phone so internet usage should be treated any differently). Just sounds as if your ISP's are a little behind and if people have an online community to join as an incentive to invest they might be more ready too. Chicken and Egg situation. Troy (is it my turn to say its my real name?) -----Original Message----- From: Chris [mailto:cporsch@cityweb.de] Sent: 30 March 2000 09:10 To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] horizon > > And I wasn't aware of 'your' position in the Netherlands. Here in the UK we > have far too many companies pushing 'free' web access on us. I know this > procedure is replicated in all the European countries I've visited. Maybe > in a year or so you guys will be in the same position. Roll on free local > calls.... Well, it hasnīt reach Germany so far, thatīs for sure. Over here you not only have to pay for the access to the web, but also for the time you are online via your telefon bill. The cheapest account I found so far is for 3.9 Pfennig the minute ( about 2 cents a minute ) And if you are online about half an hour or an hour a day to check your e-mail or surf the web, it really isnīt a free but a high expensive hobby to be online. Chris from Germany °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° Carry on, my sweet survivor, carry on my only friend donīt give up on your dreams, donīt you let it end. Carry on my sweet survivor, though you know that somethingīs gone For everything that matters carry on ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:50:19 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Emily=20Darby?= To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Still Horizon Message-ID: <20000331095019.2302.qmail@web4002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Having been away from the list for 2 days or so , i read with interest the comments. The amount of strong feelings that the subject seems to have stirred up at least still means that people care about the fandom, albeit if sometimes this is expressed in perhaps the wrong way. I still believe that fandom is a good place to be, made up for the most part of people who share a common interest and are prepared to help and support one another in enjoying that fandom. It saddens me that people have automatically jumped to conculsions during this debate that certain people using net names are not who they pertain to be and i do not for one minute wish to drag all this up again, however i find it sad that people consider it necessary to feel the need to question membership and attendee status during a debate and i am afraid that this has left a bitter taste in my mouth and left me with a feeling that i no longer want to 'reveal' my 'real' name for fear that i shall not be able to pursue my fannish activites any longer without fear of being talked about or accused of being 'in league' with others . The discussion has given me food for thought about the way in which Horizon is run, i know a lot of the speculation is purely that, speculation however from my years in the fandom i am beginning to see a picture emerging and it is not one i find particularly appealing and that saddens and angers me as i in my own life and my own work fight for a fair deal and a belief in helping others and an overall belief in democracy. i guess this is not really the place to discuss it any further as it is obvious that it is a fraught subject and one that will degenerate into total nastiness if we are not all very careful. My idea will be to collate all the points of which i have a concern and i will send them to Diane and the Horizon group for their consideration or filing into the trash whichever they prefer!! As someone else quite rightly pointed out , Blakes 7 fandom has a lot to be thankful for at the moment and we should enjoy that. I would like to publicly apologise if anyone has been personally offended by any of the recent discussion regarding Horizon, it was never my intention to offend anyone either by my own words or by inciting discussion. I hope that it has made a few people stop and think about the club and it's purpose and it has made me realise i was not alone in some of my recent disapointments. In the spirit of fandom Regards Emily Darby ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:52:32 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: N.Faulkner@tesco.net, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Apology (was Horizon (flame)) Message-ID: <20000331095232.51976.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >In short, re your comments on Diane Gies and the Horizon club, I owe you an >apology, which I unreservedly offer. Thank you Neil, I unreservedly accept. Which is not necessarily to say that I >agree with everything you said on the subject, Good - that's the joy of debate. :) If we all agreed on everything the list would be so dull it would have died a death ages ago. but I can find no grounds for >my criticism of the way you said it. >Neil Thank you again. Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:06:32 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Emily=20Darby?= To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Recent Discussion Message-ID: <20000331100632.15481.qmail@web4007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- Andy Hopkinson wrote: > I've kept quiet in the discussion about Horizon 39.5 > because I obviously > have > biased feelings on the subject. Diane has had the > courtesy to put the bare > minimum of our dispute in the public forum and I'm > going to respect that. I > shall therefore be extremely brief. Which is exactly thhe way it should be > After producing issue 39, Alan and I went on to > produce issue 40. The > magazine > although completed did not meet with Diane's > approval. After it became > clear > that we were not going to reach a compromise > agreement, Diane decided to > start > again from scratch. This is very sad, the last 2 newsletters were excellent and i was therefore saddened to read they neither you nor Alan were going to be involved any more, it seems a waste to B7 fandom however disagreements happen i guess. > Diane has offered to make our correspondence > privately available to anyone > who > wants to view it. Alan and I are happy to do the > same. I don't know if i want delve that deeply into something that it obviusly nasty enough however Diane's commments in 39.5 were veiled enough to make me thing 'Ah ha' something is going on here , now i don't know if that was the intention however in my case it was 'ahha' followed by 'hmmmm' that means they won't be putting together the newletter and then , hmmm that means that is why it is late and then all kinds of other things went tumbling around my mind about the Deliverence videos and so on........ >It has been said by several people on this list that > if you don't like what > Horizon do, you should try doing something else > yourself. > > We are. > > Alan and I will be publishing a B7 magazine of our > own. It's an experiment. > We > don't know if it will be a success so we're only > trying one issue initially. > If > people like it, we'll do another. > > It's not a fan club. It's not intended to replace > Horizon. We'll be happy > to > sell copies through Horizon, Avon, Judith Proctor or > anyone else who is > interested. > > > Andy Hopkinson. > Sounds like a super idea....... Thank you for being honest enought to post to the list, i would imagine it has been hard to sit and read all the recent postings, i am assuming that you have been on list? anything that helps B7 fandom i believe should be encouraged and i don't really miund if this is websites newletters magazines, articles in the radio times, anything that keeps it alive and current is good Good luck with the new project Alan and Andy Emily ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:43:33 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's skills Message-ID: <38E48155.718A7203@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Ellis wrote: > I might have forgotten something again, but I get the impression that the > Captain didn't want to waste time on shore leave on CA because it was a > dump. The Federation might not even know about the "plague", or even care. I rather thought it's because he knew the natives were unfriendly. Mistral -- "Consider it an adventure."--Galen, 'Crusade' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:36:21 +0100 From: JMR To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Data Protection Act (was: Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame)) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:10 30/03/00 , Mat Shayde wrote: (snip) >attacks against other posters. (except for my understandable anger at Judith >Rolls' abuse of her possition as an ex committee member, a fact that several >other people have commented upon.) "Abuse of position", eh? I don't think, actually, that being asked by "Horizon" to pass legitimate information along to Lysator counts as abuse of any position. Those understandably concerned about the terms of the Data Protection Act may like to know the following, and can, of course, check it for themselves with the government information line if they so wish: "Horizon" was not required to register under the rules of the DPA, due to being an "unincorporated club". However, even "unincorporated clubs" holding membership databases etc. were required to abide by the additional guidelines of the DPA, if not be bound by the full terms of the Act. The rules have now changed to include organisations like "Horizon" within the bounds of the whole act; if any club/organsation has held a database for more than a couple of years, however, there is a transitional period until October 2001. Until then, "Horizon" is still deemed to be an "unincorporated club" by the original definition. The Data Protection Act prohibits the disclosure of information about members. If someone other than myself or my appointed representative asks, for instance, 'is Judith Rolls a member of "Horizon"?' (I am), the club, or it's nominated spokesperson, is bound by the DPA to decline to comment, since records under that name are held. If, however, the question is asked 'is Fred Bloggs a member of "Horizon"?', then, assuming that he is not, the club is entitled to reply 'no', since there is no data being held on anyone of that name. Put simply: within the bounds of the DPA, "Horizon" (or any other club/convention) is legitimately able to state "'x' is not a member" if it holds no records for 'x'. It is not a violation of the DPA to state, for example, 'Prince Charles is not a member of "Horizon".' "Horizon", as it wished to state at the time, holds no data on the individuals "David Fielding", "Emily Darby" or "Mat Shayde". Therefore stating the fact is not a violation of the DPA. I hope that clarifies both the club's and my position regarding so-called "abuse". Thank you. Judith http://home.clara.net/jager ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:13:27 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Lysator Subject: RE: [B7L] A Commander's Lot Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99FDDEBBA@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Judith and Kathryn wrote: > > A Commander's Lot > (to the tune of A Policeman's Lot by Mr. Gilbert and Mr. Sullivan) > > by Judith Proctor and Kathryn Andersen Bravo ladies! You've shown unusual insight in Travis' psyche and are hereby appointed honorary members of FINALACT. Whether you like it or not. > (inspired by watching Seek-Locate-Destroy) Hmm, can't wait to see a filk inspired on the true Travis. Try watching Star One for inspiration. Especially the scene with Travis spinning like a windchime. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:13:16 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Lysator Subject: RE: [B7L] Horizon discussion Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99FDDEBB9@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sally wrote: > > Russ wrote: > > <- anything to avoid another 50 posts describing the slight > motion of Avon's > ring finger as it pertains to his ambivalent emotional > responses to Blake > :)> > > but Russ, we can't stop now, we've only done > Avon's *left* ring finger... Not to mention Travis' ring finger, which drew profound emotional responses from Blake. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 03:44:45 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's skills Message-ID: <38E48FAC.BCE6E11A@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Ellis wrote: > >my > >interpretation then and now is that his acquaintance with > >Anna Grant imperilled her function as Bartholomew should > >he remain on Earth in a position to run into her accidentally. > >Her expertise would obviously be more valuable than his. > > You don't put you top top agent onto a meagre bank fraud. If you need to do > that, you really are in trouble. So I think Anna (real name because of > brothers actions), who reports to the Federation as Bartholomew, and lives a > civil life as Sula So far, so good. I agree. > either. > > 1) Already knew Avon before he got into the Fraud etc and "bagsied" an easy > assignment. This explains why, on this mission, she has to use her real > name. > > 2) Avon was into something bigger. The bank fraud was part of something. > That's why Bartholomew was "running" Avon. To get at the other people > involved. Not involved in the bank fraud, but the "grand plan". In this > scenario, Avon is so immediately hostile to Blake because Avon's team was > actually going to succeed, but Blake's outfit got wiped out and to make > matters worse Blake got all the headlines. There was no way Avon would want > to be associated with being one of Blakes crew, he wanted to run the > revolution. But why does Anna use her real name in this scenario ? You've overlooked the rather obvious scenario 3), which we are handed by the series and which I find you've given me no compelling reason to discount: the Feds *thought* Avon was onto something bigger. That's why they assigned Bartholomew. They were, however, wrong. Anna could have used her real name for a variety of reasons in this case; if he were indeed guilty he would be dead or deported for life and her identity would be in no danger. Perhaps he was previously acquainted with Del Grant and she used that for an introduction. Perhaps she was already acquainted with him. Perhaps she knew how suspicious he would be of a new acquaintance at that time in his life and that he would run extensive checks on her background before trusting her--what better, more thorough cover than a real one? Of far more interest to me is why the name 'Sula' Chesku. Since Servalan knew her real name was Anna Grant, and since I am thoroughly convinced Avon knew she was married to Chesku, this one's a bit more of a puzzle. There is no canonical evidence to indicate that the Federation placed any particular value on Avon's computer skills. That sort of structure places much more emphasis on order, obedience, and getting along than it does on brilliance. This gives Avon plenty of fuel for resentment. There *is* canonical evidence that Anna was highly valued. And your second scenario, while creative, requires turning almost everything we know about Avon's personality and actions in all four series on its head; I (generally) prefer Occam's Razor. Mistral -- "Consider it an adventure."--Galen, 'Crusade' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:44:31 EST From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] A Commander's Lot Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 03/31/2000 5:14:21 AM Central Standard Time, jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl writes: > Hmm, can't wait to see a filk inspired on the true Travis. Try watching Star > One for inspiration. Especially the scene with Travis spinning like a > windchime. Or Hostage? With the scene of Travis running through the quarry screeching "Crimmos!" at the top of his lungs? Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:46:00 -0500 From: Meredith Dixon To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Contributor's Motivations (was Horizon discussion) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:13:05 EST, you wrote: >So, what is it about mudslinging that inspires lurkers to drop the shields, >when less heated discussions don't? Seriously - I'm curious about this. >What sort of things make you want to respond to a discussion, or stay quiet? I made my first post to that thread to defend Calle, because, when that private e-mail from Diane Gies was posted here last year, I was one of the people who reproached him for violating netiquette for facilitating its posting. I felt obliged to defend him on a different point to demonstrate that it hadn't been either an attack on him or a vote in support of the present management of Horizon -- that I really had been worried about netiquette. I made the second post to that thread (not counting my apology for the misattribution I made in my first post) when, blast it, someone reposted that very same bit of private e-mail I'd gone ballistic over last year. So I posted to say that it was still a violation of netiquette -- which it was. >So how about it? If you're not a frequent (or even occasional) poster, >what's the reason? Let's hear some more words from the lurkers! Beyond that, people who were on Space City a while back know why I don't post often. I've gotten a lot readier to post in the past year, since creating *Raven Days*, mainly, I think, because running a site like *Raven Days* has required me to risk being more open about myself. Unfortunately, for the past year, I've been rather more interested in *Have Gun, Will Travel* than in B7, and somehow or other HGWT almost never fits into the discussion here. :) I'm sure I'll get back to watching B7 again once I've collected all the HGWT episodes, but that'll be a while yet; it ran for six seasons. -- Meredith Dixon Check out *Raven Days*, for victims and survivors of bullying. And for those who want to help. http://www.pobox.com/~dixonm/raven.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:38:13 +0100 From: Russ Massey To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here it is then - the threatened first part of a series that'll never be completed in a million years. An analysis of the B7 episodes solely from Cally's point of view. I'm trying to concentrate on her reactions and responses to the other crew members and the situations with a view to working out what her own motivations are; especially where a clue might be provided towards an explanation of her change in character as the series progressed. TIME SQUAD - A CALLY PERSPECTIVE The first scene in which Cally is involved might well be before that in which she gives Roj the benefit of her boot-shod kick in the ribs. After Blake announces his intention to build a fire we see Avon and Vila scatter in a long shot from high above. Such a shot is usually a convention to indicate that the group are under distant observation without their knowledge. Is this Cally already watching them? Later dialogue indicates that she's unaware of the teleport, so she must have arrived at that very moment. A few minutes later (Blake has a fire going, but Avon and Vila are out collecting additional wood) Cally makes her move to attack Blake. She approaches from his rear, making enough noise to alert him but not in time for him to avoid her kick, which sends him sprawling down a scree slope away from the fire and from Vila's toolbox. This is a mere few seconds after Blake has used his bracelet to communicate, and Cally must have seen that action. Why did she attack in the way she did? Why not simply blow Blake's head off from a distance? Instead she risked a stealthy approach over loose rocks against an armed man (the Liberator handguns might be unfamiliar in type, but are evidently a holstered sidearm) who has companions within communication range. We learn later that she is on a suicide mission to kill as many Federation personnel as she can before dying, so what stopped her bypassing Blake to get to her target, or killing him from a distance and moving on? The only reason I can come up with for her taking the risks she does is that she is uncertain of their identity and desperately hoping that Blake might be an ally. Blake is not wearing a Federation uniform, is beyond the normal patrol radius of the complex (by his own estimation) and acting in a strange manner seemingly designed to attract attention. If Cally was desperately lonely, half-crazed with fear and already hardened to taking suicidal risks then she might decide to confront this stranger in preference to killing/ignoring him. Her attack is proficient enough. Blake is surprised and sent sprawling. Cally scrambles after and keeps him covered, avoiding the obvious attempt to lunge at her from the ground. Her first communication is a telepathic demand for identity: 'Who are you?' She repeats it three times in the face of Blake's silence, and even when Blake attacks her she refrains from violence against him. This is quite extraordinary self-control given the circumstances. She very definitely does not want to kill this man, despite her threat to blow his head off if he tries anything else. 'What are you doing here?' To me it seems obvious that she is hoping to hear a particular answer. She wants to be told that Blake is on her side - that she is no longer alone on an alien planet and shortly about to die. Blake distracts her with a look behind her and then disarms her. I know that this a standard action cliché anyway, but it shouldn't have worked against someone concentrating on what they were doing. It can certainly be seen as an indication that Cally's mental state, although on the surface icily calm, is not all that it should be. She curses Blake with her '...alone and silent' line. Bitter at her failure she swings from hope to despair. If Blake's not her saviour than he's the devil. He's Fed security and she'll die before she tells him anything. Blake's attempts to convince her otherwise are ignored. Blake reaches her psychologically in the only way he can. He returns her (temporarily) disabled weapon and turns his back on her, abandoning her as if she doesn't matter. Cally has time to think things through while re-enabling her rifle. She asks for proof that Blake is who he says he is. Note that Blake gives her none. He merely says that blowing up the complex should be all the proof she needs. Cally does another hope/despair flip-flop and transfers all her need for allies onto him. When Vila startles her she doesn't shoot. Avon approaches, claiming to have had her in his sights all the time (unlikely give the relative positions of the slops and his appearance, but there you go). Cally is smiling in genuine amusement, either at Avon's claim, in recognition at her own vulnerability or in response to Avon's jokes at Vila's expense. The third option seems most likely to me. Cally had just gone out on a limb in her attempt to find help and anything would seem funny in the aftermath of tension and the backwash of adrenaline. In the conversation that follows Cally seems almost to be boasting about her people when she explains their telepathy and quickness. She might be an exile, but she still has an evident pride in her origin and the accomplishments of the Auronar. She says that if Avon had engaged her she would not have died alone. Idle banter? Under- estimation of Avon? Actually it's not likely at this point that Avon would be all that accurate with a Liberator handgun. Since he was a good 20m from the action my money would have been on Cally's long arm. When Blake asks what happened to the resistance she becomes defensive. 'We were getting stronger'. She says this as if she were being criticised and needs to justify the actions of her dead comrades. She claims that they were destroyed because they were running rings around Fed security, and the destruction of one of their complexes was the last straw. There is obviously some survivor guilt at work here. Cally needs to feel that her comrades didn't die for nothing and wants to show that they hurt the Feds. But she lived when they all died and this has made her self-destructive, hence the intent to kill until killed in a raid. She seems to show both surprise and contempt at Vila's evident worry about being killed. Is this a reaction to her own surprised desire not to die, or just the professional's disdain of the amateur? What does Cally think of the group at this point? She has obviously accepted Blake as the leader. She telepaths to him alone when she agrees to guide them into the complex. It's not too surprising when you look at the dialogue. Blake is the one pressing all the right emotional buttons, stressing how he'll blow up the complex and has a means of escape. Avon comes over as a bit of a braggart and someone who specialises in black humour and put-downs. Vila is cautious and pessimistic - an obvious non-warrior type. Whatever she thinks of them as individuals (and she smiles at Avon's jokes on a couple of occasions) she joins them. When the group prepares to open the security door leading to the generator Cally observes them all very intently (instead of keeping a look out as she is supposed to be doing). She must realise at this point that Blake's group haven't known each other well or long. Vila's skills come as a surprise, and the fact that a discussion takes place at all shows that Blake is more of an improviser than a planner. She still knows nothing about the teleport at this stage, but at no point does she query Blake's escape plans. This either shows an uncommon degree of trust on short notice, or she is still thinking of the mission as suicidal and has fatalistic assumed that they'll all die. When locked in the generator room she rather surprisingly acts as Avon's assistant, passing him the tools he needs for the sabotage. Why isn't Vila doing this? Are Cally's 'communications' skills more applicable to the situation than Vila's security knowledge? Is it because her nerves are steadier? Is this early evidence of a fascination with Avon and his work? Blake now provided her with a teleport bracelet, but still without telling her what it is. What would have happened if the group had been pinned down before reaching the generator? It seems a bit remiss of Blake not to have given Cally a bracelet straight away unless he was unsure about her until that point. As the guards break in and as the teleport activates we see Cally calmly facing the door with her weapon levelled. She seems fully prepared to die at that point. She exhibits little apparent curiosity on reaching the Liberator. Granted there is another crisis to deal with, but I like to think that she has mentally prepared herself to die and takes a while (off screen) to return to her normal mental state. On the Flight Deck her glance flickers around all the crew as if she is evaluating them before Blake makes the offer to return her to Auron. There is a slight hesitation before her reply, and she responds with a slight surprise that he'd even mention such a thing, as if Blake should be aware that her failure prevents return. Is this an act? Has she decided to angle to become a member of the crew, or is her story genuine? We know that it is later at least partly contradicted. I think it likely that Cally has become emotionally dependent on Blake, the man who has redeemed the loss of her companions and given her own life meaning again. Okay, perhaps I'm reading too much into too little here, but it's certainly psychotically justifiable. Her last shot is in response to Jenna's comment as to the wisdom of bringing aliens aboard. She shows no reaction. It's probably the first time Jenna has spoken in her presence, and she probably realises it won't do any good to make an issue of anything until she's more familiar with the interpersonal dynamics of the group. Either that or it went completely over her head :) Whew! That was a bit longer than I expected, especially since Cally only appears half way through the episode. Any comments welcome. -- Russ Massey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:28:20 -0500 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: [B7L] Re: Outfits Message-ID: <00b101bf9b27$08691f00$688f4e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was a headline in the New York Law Journal last week: "Death Penalty Statute Applies to Accessories." About time too. I'd start with the pave gauntlets--Avon must have decided he needed a pair just like Bayban's, and shopped for MONTHS. Probably went back to whichever galactic shopping precinct they bought Vila's metal briefcase that replaced the picnic cooler by City at the Edge of the World. And the exterior views of Servalan's space station are a Circline fluorescent lamp, aren't they? Honestly, why can't we all just get along and play nicely with our toys? I'm saving my pennies to buy Avon some TASTEFUL clothing--I'm sure he'd actually wear it if someone gave him a good example. (Story underway about a long weekend in which he acquires not one but two cashmere sweaters. Well, you won't be reading it at Horizon.) I saw Harvest of Kairos for the first time earlier this week. After such spiders, what forgiveness? If they didn't have any money, why not just oppose the sopron with a 1984-style inverse sopron (something that shows you whatever is the Worst Thing in the World to you)? Then all you need is a couple of reaction shots. It's even CHEAPER than building Brian the Spider. -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:37:02 -0500 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: [B7L] Rage Against the Machine Message-ID: <00b301bf9b27$10f3b4a0$688f4e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From "Dinner at Eight" JEAN HARLOW: I was readin' a book last night... MARIE DRESSLER: [Gigantic take] HARLOW: A real screwy kind of a book. It says in the future machines will replace every profession. DRESSLER: Oh my dear, YOU have nothing to worry about. One thing that struck me about Blake's trial was that, although there were lawyers, judges, bailiffs, and other paraphernalia we're familiar with, each lawyer produced a large pink marble, the marbles were stuffed into a Perspex box, and the box made the decision. In other words, the judges, bailiffs, etc. were just accessories to the machine. I'm willing to accept that Jenna and Tarrant are both good pilots, but what exactly does piloting consist of? It looks like Zen does all the work, and the pilot just issues instructions from a fairly small instruction set (Go to a Named Location, Tell Us Where We Are, Put Up the Shields, Shoot, Fix the Hole Where They Shot Us, Bugger Off Out of Here, and Bugger Off Out of Here Really Fast). Sounds like a taxi with plasma beams to me... -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:20:25 EST From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Pat Patera as wardrobe mistress Message-ID: <3a.32bceef.26162a49@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/00 1:47:37 PM Mountain Standard Time, julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk writes: << Sounds horribly like something you'd find if you rummaged around in Leah and Annie's file of "things too way-out even for Bizarro". >> Whoa - *that* sounds like a scary place! Nina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:04:44 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's skills Message-ID: In message <00ee01bf9a2c$58c4e340$56a201d5@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk>, Andrew Ellis writes >You don't put you top top agent onto a meagre bank fraud. If you need to do >that, you really are in trouble. So I think Anna (real name because of >brothers actions), who reports to the Federation as Bartholomew, and lives a >civil life as Sula either. 3) The Feds *thought* Avon was into something bigger - as stated by Shrinker. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:09:48 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion Message-ID: In message <77.2988a63.26157fce@aol.com>, Pherber@aol.com writes >Oh dear, have we been rambling on about Snarly again? Don't sugar-coat it, >Russ, tell us how you really feel! We *always* ramble on about Snarly. The Lyst could be discussing the fact that the world is going to be hit be an asteroid next week, and there will be a thread discussing how he would react to this, what clothes he would be wearing at the time, and isn't he sexy when he's worried that he's about to die... -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:56:23 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] cost of email Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri 31 Mar, Helm, Troy wrote: > I've been on the web for the past ~5 years and its only been the past year > ISPs have become free. We still have to pay for the telephone bills (which > cost the same for voice or data and the average person doesn't mind chatting > on the phone so internet usage should be treated any differently). > But when you're paying for a phone call, the other person doesn't preface it with a recording of the entire previous conversation. Kathryn (not Judith) -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:35:46 EST From: Prmolloy@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Outfits Message-ID: <98.34632f1.26165812@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dana wrote: > (Story underway about a long weekend in which he acquires not one but two >cashmere sweaters. Well, you won't be reading it at Horizon.) Keep us posted. Perhaps this is a new area of fan interest. Mattel could make little Avon dolls and we could dress him up exactly as we want. Pat could keep him in those flamboyant outfits, Dana as she desires, and the rest could have a field day with leather, or not Well, maybe those would be the life-size Avon dolls that Horizon won't sell either > I saw Harvest of Kairos for the first time earlier this week. After such >. spiders, what forgiveness? If they didn't have any money, why not just > oppose the sopron with a 1984-style inverse sopron (something that shows you > whatever is the Worst Thing in the World to you)? Then all you need is a > couple of reaction shots. It's even CHEAPER than building Brian the Spider. Watch it again, turn the volume down, and play the Who. John Entwhistle's low bass voice growling "Boris the spider ..." would have been the perfect soundtrack. Trish ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:15:04 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long) Message-ID: In message , Russ Massey writes >Here it is then - the threatened first part of a series that'll never be >completed in a million years. An analysis of the B7 episodes solely >from Cally's point of view. Trying very hard here for non-INTx behaviour - nice post, keep doing them. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:11:19 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] net access Message-ID: In message <200003310834.CAA02915@interlock.csw.com>, Helm, Troy writes >I've been on the web for the past ~5 years and its only been the past year >ISPs have become free. We still have to pay for the telephone bills (which >cost the same for voice or data and the average person doesn't mind chatting >on the phone so internet usage should be treated any differently). Yes, quite a few of us still have to pay metered rates for the telephone connection - which is one of the reasons why it would be appreciated if you would conform to the convention that one puts one's reply beneath what one is replying to, and trims irrelevant material from the quoted post. Read the FAQ for this list, it's on the list's website, the top page of which is at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/ The other reason is that it adds to the legibility of your post. You are about to go in my killfile - not because I find your posts boring, they're not, but because my hands hurt again and I can't be bothered scrolling up and down trying to make sense of your posts. Fortunately I take the individual messages rather than the digest version of the list, so this option is open to me. Those who for whatever reason take the digest may have no option but to scroll through the summary of the thread you provide on each of your posts, if they want to see any posts after yours in the digest. That goes for the rest of the Outhouse Depress style quoters. Troy was just unfortunate enough to be the author of the first one I opened this evening. I normally try to do this off-list, and more politely, but there's been a plague of top-posting, HTML and "it was only a little binary" recently. You (general you, not just the person who sparked off this rant) *will* be killfiled by some variable number of Lystians for repeatedly posting like this. Presumably you post because you want people to read what you have to say, it is as well to take a few seconds of your own time to make your post more legible rather than expecting other members of this list to take those few seconds extra of their time to read your badly formatted post. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:23:19 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long) Message-ID: <000c01bf9b4e$f8a6d260$d6ee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for the analysis, Russ. Very interesting. More please! Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 100 14:25:11 +0000 From: huh@ccm.net To: lwillens@cch.com Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Fwd: [B7L] net access Message-Id: <200003312025.OAA11233@bowe.ccm.net> Forwarded Message: > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > From: Julia Jones > Subject: [B7L] net access > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:11:19 +0100 > ----- > In message <200003310834.CAA02915@interlock.csw.com>, Helm, Troy > writes > >I've been on the web for the past ~5 years and its only been the past year > >ISPs have become free. We still have to pay for the telephone bills (which > >cost the same for voice or data and the average person doesn't mind chatting > >on the phone so internet usage should be treated any differently). > > Yes, quite a few of us still have to pay metered rates for the telephone > connection - which is one of the reasons why it would be appreciated if > you would conform to the convention that one puts one's reply beneath > what one is replying to, and trims irrelevant material from the quoted > post. Read the FAQ for this list, it's on the list's website, the top > page of which is at > http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle /b7list/ > > The other reason is that it adds to the legibility of your post. You are > about to go in my killfile - not because I find your posts boring, > they're not, but because my hands hurt again and I can't be bothered > scrolling up and down trying to make sense of your posts. Fortunately I > take the individual messages rather than the digest version of the list, > so this option is open to me. Those who for whatever reason take the > digest may have no option but to scroll through the summary of the > thread you provide on each of your posts, if they want to see any posts > after yours in the digest. > > That goes for the rest of the Outhouse Depress style quoters. Troy was > just unfortunate enough to be the author of the first one I opened this > evening. I normally try to do this off-list, and more politely, but > there's been a plague of top-posting, HTML and "it was only a little > binary" recently. You (general you, not just the person who sparked off > this rant) *will* be killfiled by some variable number of Lystians for > repeatedly posting like this. Presumably you post because you want > people to read what you have to say, it is as well to take a few seconds > of your own time to make your post more legible rather than expecting > other members of this list to take those few seconds extra of their time > to read your badly formatted post. > -- > Julia Jones > "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" > The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. > > ----------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via the CCMnet Mailman. Visit our website: http://www.ccm.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 100 14:27:15 +0000 From: huh@ccm.net To: lwillens@cch.com Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion Message-Id: <200003312027.OAA11319@bowe.ccm.net> Forwarded Message: > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > From: Julia Jones > Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:09:48 +0100 > ----- > In message <77.2988a63.26157fce@aol.com>, Pherber@aol.com writes > >Oh dear, have we been rambling on about Snarly again? Don't sugar-coat it, > >Russ, tell us how you really feel! > > We *always* ramble on about Snarly. The Lyst could be discussing the > fact that the world is going to be hit be an asteroid next week, and > there will be a thread discussing how he would react to this, what > clothes he would be wearing at the time, and isn't he sexy when he's > worried that he's about to die... > -- > Julia Jones > "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" > The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. > > ----------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via the CCMnet Mailman. Visit our website: http://www.ccm.net -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #92 *************************************