From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #79 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/79 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 79 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Commiseration/Hunter Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans Re: [B7L] Re: Animals [B7L] Space Fall question Re: [B7L] B7 Characters in the TARDIS [B7L] Avon's Skills (was Lost in Cyberspace) [B7L] Shakespeare Squash Ladder Re: [B7L] Commiseration/Hunter Re: [B7L] Shakespeare Squash Ladder [B7L] Our flippered friends are everywhere (was Shakespeare Squash Ladder) Re: [B7L] Space Fall question Re: [B7L] Re: Resident Smart Guy Re: [B7L] B7 Characters in the TARDIS [B7L] Re: Cast Swap [B7L] Re: Guest Stars [B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon [B7L] Re: Animals [B7L] Re: First Impressions: The Web [B7L] Re: Guest Characters [B7L] Re: Prisoner [B7L] Re: Guest Appearances [B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon [B7L] Re: Avon Drool Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #77 Re: [B7L] Mary Poppins on the Liberator [B7L] Starting to work through the backlog Re: [B7L] Avon drool Re: [B7L] Re: Ali G Interviews Kerr Avon Re: [B7L] Re: Ali G Interviews Kerr Avon [B7L] B7 as companions [B7L] List etiquette Re: [B7L] Mary Poppins on the Liberator Re: [B7L] Re: Resident Smart Guy [B7L] Cally & Avon (was "The Web") Re: [B7L] Mary Poppins on the Liberator [B7L] speaking of costumes [B7L] Blues [B7L] First Impressions "The Web" [B7L] Avon drool [B7L] Animals [B7L] Re: Cast Swap ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:36:52 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Commiseration/Hunter Message-ID: <000401bf936a$4590d7c0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne wrote: > Interesting thought. I've never gotten into Aliens, but I've always > wondered about them as a _naturally_ occuring species. Animals that > reproduce that rapidly generally have high mortality rates, raising > questions about their natural environment (whether it was very unpleasant > or had other factors limiting their reproduction) and whether the Aliens > didn't have nasty predators of their own to deal with on their homeworld. I was talking specifically about the 'alien' in my story, not those in the films. They don't make much ecological sense, though, since as parasites they ought to be restricted to the prey species they evolved to parasitise. Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:32:46 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans Message-ID: <000301bf936a$43023da0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Calle wrote: > Cool! You know, I think this is the first time I've heard of anyone > actually _using_ that game. I've used it! Back in the days when I was still role-gaming (haven't rolled a die for more than three years now ) I badgered my fellow gamers into giving it a go. They weren't too impressed. I did a lot of tinkering with the rules (like devising an easy character generation system that wasn't miserly with skills), but it wasn't long before we decided to pack it in as a bad job and converted all the characters to my own system. > What sort of people were the PCs? Did characters from the series show > up and if so, who? Did they all die in the end? :-) Okay, you were asking Dorian rather than me, but we used PGP survivors (Avon, Vila and Soolin, since there were only four of us. As GM I could have taken on Tarrant and Dayna but decided Orac and Servalan were more than enough to keep me tearing my hair out. It wasn't entirely successful - Vila was far too violent and lippy, even when captured (at one point I had the troopers drag him outside, then said "They beat you up. Lose half your hit points." Which caused Big Dave to drop his jaw satisfyingly. He later rolled up an original character more in tune with his style of play, only to get his head blown off by a mutoid.) I've also run B7 using a modified version of the Star Wars RPG. It worked reasonably well, but then SW is a pretty slick system. A B7 PBeM as proposed by Julia Dragonfly sounds interesting. More details, please? Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:11:22 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals Message-ID: <006301bf9369$3f513900$4aee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Susie Wright wrote: >Avon didn't make an impression on me (and others) right >away. He had to grow on you when you weren't looking and then suddenly >- hey, who's THAT guy? I'm the odd one out, then. I started noticing him straight away, in his first scenes in Space Fall when he's looking at that living quarters door being opened and releasing his safety belt. Before that I'd been focussing on and sympathising with Blake, but at the moment of Avon's next scene (that foul look after Raiker hit Jenna) my allegiance shifted fast and firmly. And he'd not yet spoken one word! :-) Like Ariana I don't find him handsome although I do love those brown eyes and long lashes. :-) And he's proof that a man doesn't need to be handsome to be attractive. Just MHO of course. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:42:22 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: [B7L] Space Fall question Message-ID: <008301bf936d$a1a61e00$4aee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone tell me if Jenna's mother and Avon's brother in that hallucination scene are actually played by Sally Knyvette and Paul Darrow? Marian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:54:24 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 Characters in the TARDIS Message-ID: In message <20000321141200.45886.qmail@hotmail.com>, Mat Shayde writes >Well, those are my thoughts. Ideas anyone? Looks good. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:55:29 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: Subject: [B7L] Avon's Skills (was Lost in Cyberspace) Message-ID: <000201bf9371$5cf4d540$1c61063e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> ><< I've often wondered about Avon's well-roundedness >> > (training-educationwise, that is). It seems a little beyond what >> anyone >> > could possibly accomplish. >> >> > >> >Combined hardware/software skills are kind of rare, but not >> nonexistent -- >> >> >Nina >> >> Hear hear. >> >> Lots of great people have been skilled in more than one discipline. >> Some of >> them even switch fields, and get Nobel prizes for their new work. As >> Nina >> say's - Rare, but not non-existent. >> >Yes, but, as the resident "smart guy," Avon seemed to constantly to know >everything about everything (with occassional, minor exceptions, usually >when it was Blake's turn to do plot exposition OK lets explore this one. Apart from his well vaunted Pavlovian skills wrt f-B7-fans, what ARE Avon's skills (as demonstrated by the series). I'll start the list, but please feel free to add. When it's done, we can see if anybody can justify his god like stature. Top flight computer technician (hardware AND software). Confident at using hand guns. Aware of the need for background research. Able to pick computer based locks. Leadership. Passable pilot skills (but didn't think to land the shuttle) Grasp of physics required for teleportation. Any more ...... Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:56:59 -0500 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: [B7L] Shakespeare Squash Ladder Message-ID: <000b01bf9378$03b1b640$0dae4e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was pursuing my other fandom (Shakespeare) last night, by going to a staged reading of "Measure for Measure." The reading was held at a theater bookstore, and I was flipping through "Blake's 7 The Inside Story" (their apostrophe, not mine) before the reading started. One of the actresses said, "Oh, Blake's 7! I watched that when I was twelve years old! I had such a crush on Avon!" We had a nice talk about fandom on the Web, so who knows, she may turn up here. They also had a copy of Henry Jenkins' "Textual Poachers" (the book that created my interest in B7)--and for $2.17. Angelo in Measure for Measure is described as one "who scarce confesses that his blood flows, or that his appetite is more to bread than to stone." Which all led me to wonder about a Shakespeare Squash Ladder. Only 39 eps, of course, and no clear Series divisions. I'm sure Una's would go: Henry VI Part III Hamlet ... -(Y) (who naturally prefers plays about sarky depressive blokes who have a negative impact on the life expectancy of those around them...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:13:02 -0000 From: "Alison Page" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Commiseration/Hunter Message-ID: <003c01bf937a$d1202060$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Ellynne wrote: > >> Interesting thought. I've never gotten into Aliens, but I've always >> wondered about them as a _naturally_ occuring species. I think in the original story (was that by Alan Dean Foster?) the 'Aliens' were a genetically manufactured species, created as a weapon Alison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:41:04 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Shakespeare Squash Ladder Message-ID: <022201bf937e$2bcef8d0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dana Shilling > Which all led me to wonder about a Shakespeare Squash Ladder. Only 39 eps, > of course, and no clear Series divisions. I'm sure Una's would go: > > Henry VI Part III > Hamlet ?!? Unfortunately, my knowledge of Shakespeare is rather worse than my knowledge of, say, types of New Zealand penguin, so I'm completely clueless as to the content of the first one there. I think I may have come across the second one, tho'... :) As an aside, the paranoid on this list may be concerned to learn of the increasing influence of the flippered ones on public service broadcasting in this country - see http://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/ Una ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:05:34 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Our flippered friends are everywhere (was Shakespeare Squash Ladder) Message-ID: <20000321220534.42872.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Una McCormack" >As an aside, the paranoid on this list may be concerned to learn of the >increasing influence of the flippered ones on public service broadcasting >in >this country - see http://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/ Here too - the local version of Animal Hospital is going to Phillip Island this week. Fairy penguins: whatever next? Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:00:18 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Fall question Message-ID: <20000322080018.E29823@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 08:42:22PM +0100, Marian de Haan wrote: > Can anyone tell me if Jenna's mother and Avon's brother in that > hallucination scene are actually played by Sally Knyvette and Paul Darrow? I don't know about Jenna's mother, but Avon's brother was definitely played by someone else - I did a freeze-frame of him once, in order to do an illo of said brother. Brother has blond hair, but they do share a similarly aquiline nose. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:56:33 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Resident Smart Guy Message-ID: <20000322075633.D29823@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:59:51PM +0100, Marian de Haan wrote: > > >>From Ellynne: "Yes, but, as the resident "smart guy," Avon seemed to > >constantly to know everything about everything (with occassional, minor > >exceptions, usually when it was Blake's turn to do plot exposition)." > > Maybe he's done a lot of job rotation to gain all that knowledge? I can see > every boss he's ever worked for warmly encouraging him to apply elsewhere, > willingly providing him with a praising reference. :-) LOL! -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:08:51 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 Characters in the TARDIS Message-ID: <20000322080851.F29823@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 02:12:00PM +0000, Mat Shayde wrote: > > Can anyone suggest anywhere for Gan and Dayna? This is fun game... Dayna I think would go well wth either th 4th Doctor or the 7th Doctor - if he can cope with Leela and Ace, he can cope with Dayna. Gan... Gan... maybe the 3rd Doctor. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:28:11 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Cast Swap Message-ID: <38D7F77A.3B907D89@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like your casting, Sally, although I had to look up a couple of names because I didn't remember who they were! I love Paul Daneman too and can easily see him as an older Blake. Funny that you chose Bek for Vila because when I saw Karl Howman in "Mulberry," he reminded me a lot of Michael Keating and later I discovered Howman was in B7 as Bek and thought, wow - he looks so different. I cannot remember Rai, Provine and Alta Morag from your first pick list. Even looking up the actors didn't help. Yes and wink wink on picking Second Mutoid for Soolin... I imagine Rai is one of Cally's prisoners on Centero? Provine was on Albian, but I'm not getting a face to go with the name. I draw a total blank for Alta Morag. Verlis (Betty Marsden) is a funky choice for Jenna (and I mean that as a compliment). Why not have an older, experienced member of the crew? Kasabi (Jane Sherwin) is one of my favorite guest characters and I like her as Cally. After her first episode, it was easy to forget that Cally was supposed to have guerilla experience. Ushton (John Abineri) is an unusual choice for Gan, but that makes it more interesting. Being a big hulk of a man is part of the character description, but a smaller man who killed a Federation officer in a crime of passion who now has a limiter makes you wonder about his strength (not that smaller men aren't physically powerful). Or is it that Abineri isn't as small as he appeared on tv? Jarvik (Andrew Burt) would be fun anyway but certainly the right "type" for Tarrant. Tyce (Carinthia West) has the edge and bite Dayna never quite expressed. Sara (Beth Morris) wasn't as cold as Soolin, but an interesting choice anyway. I'd consider Sasha Mitchell (Arlen in "Blake"). And possibly Julia Vidler (Avalon in "Project Avalon" and Barr in "Powerplay"). I imagine your second stringers would almost push Avon over the edge. Who needs the Federation on your back when you've got annoying shipmates? Susie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:58:09 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars Message-ID: <38D7FE80.7C397C3F@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know why but when I see the name "Carnell" I think of the actor who played "Coser" and that is so bizarre. Yet, I draw a blank on Carnell (Scott Fredericks) even though I know he's the psycho-strategist from "Weapon." I know the character of Carnell has shown up in fanfic too. I loved Raiker and was sorely disappointed when he was killed off and we never saw the London again. (except as a special effect in oft repeated stock footage...) It would be fun to see what would happen if Raiker survived and caught up with the Liberator crew later on and exacted some revenge. Some of the other guest characters I like are Tyce (Bounty), Ro (Horizon), Kasabi & Veron (Pressure Point), Dr. Bellfriar & Tynus (Killer), Molok (Hostage), Chenie (Gambit), Dorian (Rescue), Pella, Kate & Gun-Sar (Power), Pinder (Orbit), and Arlen (Blake). For most, it's because of a sense of character history that would be interesting to explore. Perhaps some has already been explored in fanfic. Susie p.s. My daughter just requested a "Blue's Clues" tape and I thought... what if Blue and Steve skidooed onto the Liberator? I'd like to see how the Liberator would be represented in BC animation. I'm sure they would not receive a warm welcome unless Vila and Cally were willing to sing some songs about running from the Federation. Oh, I guess I should say Kevin for the UK gang since the BBC version of "Blue's Clues" has a guy named Kevin who kinda reminds me of Craig Charles. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:04:18 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon Message-ID: <38D7FFF1.4577A1FB@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From Ellynne: "Avon [just walking onto the bridge and seeing her for the first time. Stops, freezes, look of absolute horror written across his face]: Nannie?" Yikes! So, could a perfect nanny account for Avon's character quirks? I see Avon finding a way to dispose of her and when asked later, say, "who?" Of course he'd be irritated by Vila's singing, "A spoonful of soma makes the medicine go down, the medicine go down, the medicine go down..." Susie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:16:32 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Animals Message-ID: <38D802CF.43992BD0@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From Ellynne: "And, so long as I'm dreaming, Cally would have survived to the main character instead of Dayna. Hence, Avon would have been her old boyfriend. Neither one of them would have fallen for Servalan's trap (assuming she showed up, since there would be no genetic experiments for her to steal). I'm sure there would have been some crisis, but it would have just been an excuse to bring a little action and suspense in as Cally tried to convince Avon to join them and Avon tried to convince Cally to dump the revolution and stay with him (all in a strictly, family viewing appropriate way, of course)...." If you care to write a non-family friendly version, I'd be interested to read it... although I suppose it'd have to go on the other list. Susie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:23:54 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: First Impressions: The Web Message-ID: <38D8048A.4C58D169@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From Ellynne: GAN: Avon says that's because she's an alien. VILA: Everyone's an alien to him. "Just have to add, I'm dying to know what the context of Gan's Avon quote is." I think Gan's comment is more in the vein that Avon's anti-social quality makes everyone an alien because he doesn't relate well to anyone, human or otherwise. This comment is similar to the frequent references to Avon as a machine or being more in touch with computers than people. Susie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:44:53 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Guest Characters Message-ID: <38D80975.98567DCF@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From Julia J: "One of the strengths of B7 is how well they used the guest parts. For the most part they're real people, not cardboard cutouts as scenery for the regulars to play against. Bercol and Rontane seem to be very popular with Freedom City members, even though they have only a few lines in two episodes." I drew a blank on these guys too - I looked them up and found them under "Seek-Locate-Destroy" and "Trial" and am surprised I can't remember who they are. But then, it's been years since I've seen some of these episodes. "Bercol and Rontane" almost sounds like a comedy team. I agree about the quality of the guest characters - many were as compelling or more so than the regulars. In my poking around The Programme Guide, I notice that "Sarcophagus" is the only episode with no guest characters. And aren't we glad Paul saw the scripts and decided that "Avon" was the more interesting part to play? I'd read about that in some little booklet thing Paul wrote. Besides the two Dr Who episodes, I've only seen Paul in that Robin Hood silliness so I've not seen him play a (typical) good guy. (Hawkins was a good guy, but not the lead.) He could've made a compelling Blake but obviously, his take on the character would've been very different. For that matter, I've only seen Gareth in Merlin and so only know him as a good guy. I bet he'd be a great villain. As for the other regulars, I've seen Josette gueting on "Thompson," Jacqueline on "Dr. Who," and Sally guesting as a judge and Brian playing Ted Hills on "EastEnders." I imagine most of them do more theatre than tv or film so there aren't so many opportunities to see their other work unless it comes out on video. The rumor mill is rather quiet about the B7 movie. I hope it hasn't been scrapped. I wonder if there will be more radio plays to come. I've enjoyed the first two very much, although I think the "Sevenfold Crown" was a stronger story. Avon suffers beautifully at the beginning too, an added bonus for us Avon fans. Susie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:47:05 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Prisoner Message-ID: <38D809F8.481EE91C@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From Andrew: "Do ALL B7 fans also follow The Prisoner ?" I wasn't interested in "The Prisoner" when it was running for eons, but now I'd be curious about it. Wasn't it a book first? Susie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:06:13 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Guest Appearances Message-ID: <38D80E75.458F4822@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't put Meegat (Susan Farmer) on my list, but I liked her too, Helen. She was a rare innocent pearl in that crazy universe. As I'm reviewing my Guide, I am drawing blanks not only on certain guests but also complete episodes. Thankfully, the synopses are putting images back into my brain. Geez, it has been a few years. I enjoy episode discussions because it prompts "oh yeah" memories for me. Some episodes would make great pilots for spin-off series, and yet that's where some fanfic has come in to hypothesize about what happened to these other characters. So that's another strength of B7 - you want to know what happens next in these side stories. Susie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:11:49 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon Message-ID: <38D80FC4.2E174F75@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From Nina: "Why do I suspect she'd be *very* cross with him?" Would an exploration of "cross" belong on the other list? Oh, it's not the Mary Poppins we all know.... Hmm... what else is in her bag of tricks? Susie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:24:57 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Avon Drool Message-ID: <38D812D8.8104DEB1@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From Ariana: "Avon is too tense and aggressive to play the romantic lead in my eyes. I also don't find him particularly good-looking (time to don the asbestos suit, no doubt ;). However, I do like characters with a good sense of sarcasm; Q and Dukat were my ST favourites,..." A man doesn't have to be good-looking to be sexy. I find both Q (John de Lancie) and Dukat (Mark Alaimo) sexy (in character). I was never one for the mainstream guys. Sexiness can be due to many factors such as attitude, intelligence, voice, tight leather pants... Pretty boys ofen lack substance and thus are boring. I met John de Lancie at I-CON (Long Island) about 10 years ago. He's a wonderful story-teller and he doesn't need a microphone to be heard in the rafters. Susie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:23:04 -0600 From: Lisa Williams To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #77 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000321182202.00cc5510@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Una McCormack wrote: >A 'hoiho' is a type of New Zealand penguin. Hence my belief >that only myself, Neil, and Nicola would groan at that one. And those of us who regarded the word with suspicion, and promptly went and looked it up. - Lisa -- _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@raytheon.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroica.simplenet.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:26:06 -0600 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Mary Poppins on the Liberator Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000321182443.00d52b80@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ellynne G. wrote: >Not that it would have stopped her from raising Cally. Hmm, she _was_ >the only one showing a significant interest in music How does that connect her with Mary Poppins, or did I miss a sequitur in there somewhere? -- _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@raytheon.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroica.simplenet.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:14:13 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Starting to work through the backlog Message-ID: <200003212014_MC2-9E16-B612@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit [Several days backlog awaiting me on my return from Bilbao - incidentally and irrelevantly, I hadn't realised the Basque name for the city is Bilbo - I *think* this was all Lysator not FC, but may have misplaced the odd one] Joanne asked: >How did I mistake Julia for Harriet? Maybe the shoulder-sort-of-length brown hair? Actually, I like Jo Grant. Perhaps she could marry Jarriere. Alison wondered: >I was wondering if we think of ourselves, our 'being' (hope this > isn't too transcendental) as gendered. I'm not sure that I do. I remember that, while I was at university, whenever I counted the number of males/females present in a group (can't now think why I had to do this) I got it wrong because I counted myself in the male section. Think I've got used to being female now, but maybe I just needed another 20 years to sort it out. Marian suggested about Tarrant: >Maybe we should not say anything about him at all My god, you really are a woman after my own heart... Andrew referred back to his: >> .......For example I once asked if somebody >> could explain what all the TLA's mean. ...... I was too busy trying to remember what TLA was myself... Er, we seem to be getting a lot of unnecessary regurgitation of earlier messages again, I hope someone's reminded the youngsters we aren't keen on that sort of extended quotation here? Neil replied to Dana: >> Think about it. What do we call people who are clever, arrogant, >>highly verbal, precise to the point of pedantry, NEVER stop arguing, >> have lots of black suits > >I suspect some people would be tempted to call them Neil. My jaw is dropping... how many black suits do you have? Calle alleged that Vila couldn't play soccer because: >Soccer involves *running*. I thought continentals didn't bother with that bit? Sally asked me: >'Jarriere's 7' has a certain ring, doesn't it, Harriet? Oh wow, oh wow, oh wow... But why haven't you mentioned Harry Jones in the "guest stars with enormous impact" thread yet? Calle later said: >I think that 25k is a reasonable upper limit. >What do you people out there think? Anything encouraging concision is to be applauded. Especially if it weeds out the html rubbish. I really liked Rob's Ali G thing. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:12:00 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon drool Message-ID: <38D82BF0.55CE@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > For the moment, Avon is too tense and aggressive to play the romantic lead > in my eyes. I also don't find him particularly good-looking (time to don the > asbestos suit, no doubt ;) Agreed, in a technical sense. Actually, in a technical sense, I think the Travises are probably the most conventionally good looking of the men making frequent appearences. Avon's got hooded eyes, a profile designed perhaps for coins but not fashion magazines, and a horrid hairstyle in season 1. However, he has Presence, and a voice that can be silk or steel, depending on how he uses it. So good looks are only one factor, and not necessarily the most important. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:15:15 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Ali G Interviews Kerr Avon Re: [B7L] Re: Ali G Interviews Kerr Avon Message-ID: <38D82CB3.A10@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm picturing Kathie Lee trying to interview Avon. At first, as she gushes over him, he thinks "I didn't know Meeghat had a sister." After a while, he gets irritated by her vapidity and offers to show her how the teleport works, deliberately messing up the settings as part of a scientific experiment to see which vacuum is actually more devoid of content-- the vacuum of space, or of her skull. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:28:36 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] B7 as companions Message-ID: <38D82FD4.59A@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mat asked: > Can anyone suggest anywhere for Gan and Dayna? Dayna would work well with the 4th Doctor. After handling Leela, this other warrior woman (this one at least used to civilization) wouldn't be difficult, and she'd enjoy having someone to look up to. Although they would, of course, have differences of opinion on acceptable force. The 7th doctor would also work well with her. Gan-- the 2nd Doctor would probably work best with him. (Although he'd suffer more of the unjustified Gan-abuse the poor fellow puts up with thanks to not being put through high-level education). The 2nd Doctor seemed to know how to direct his companions to make good use of their personal strengths and enable them to grow as people (based on the limited amount I've seen of him). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:35:54 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] List etiquette Message-ID: <38D8318A.26DA@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > While we're on the subject of postings, isn't it a bit pointless to cc a > Lyst post to an individual subscriber? I had a couple of those in my inbox > this morning. > > Neil Pointless, and worse than pointless! Since I'm on the digest, I get the copy sent to me first. I read it, and usually respond. Then, a while later, I get the Lyst. And lo and behold, it wasn't sent only to me personally. Now, I have to decide whether to write a seperate reply (trying to keep it pretty much in line with my earlier response, as best as I can remember) or ignore it? I enjoy getting off list comments, but I find it awkward assuming something is off-list (yes, I suppose I could read the header to find out every time, but I don't) and then discover it wasn't. However, if anyone wishes to sing my praises, I don't mind reading it twice. ;^) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:51:44 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Mary Poppins on the Liberator Message-ID: <20000321.211754.-423221.2.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:00:19 -0800 mistral@ptinet.net writes: >I'd say that learning an instrument, singing, and > presumably writing that song shows more 'significant' > interest in music than listening to it on a Walkman. True enough. Dayna's composition didn't do much for me, but no doubt music has changed in a thousand years (I've always had trouble appreciating most non-Western Civ stuff, those different scales, etc.). Maybe, if I were familiar with the musical style she was using, I'd appreciate it more. OTOH, let's give Cally a few points. As far as we know, she's the only one with any kind of equipment for listening to any kind of music at all that she doesn't play herself. That's got to count for something. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:18:22 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Resident Smart Guy Message-ID: <20000321.211754.-423221.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In an interview, Paul said that Jenna was supposed to spout a lot of > the > technobabble but Sally had trouble so they'd give the lines to Paul. > Would've been a different B7, perhaps, if Jenna got to show more > techie > experience. She was the pilot, after all! > Ah-hah. It did seem strange, the way Blake got to tell Jenna about space flight history. It would have been nice if she'd at least rolled her eyes in a sort of, "Here-he-goes-again- hasn't-he-noticed-I'm-a-pilot?" look. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:55:31 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Cally & Avon (was "The Web") Message-ID: <20000321.211754.-423221.3.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 03:04:50 -0800 mistral@ptinet.net writes: > Sorry, > but I think you're jumping through hoops to make Avon and Cally's > relationship more comfortable than it is. Yes. And your point is ...? This was mostly light hearted fun, but it started when I was toying with a story idea and I had Cally make a comment Gan's quote of Avon contradicted. I thought I had a problem till I realized this was _hearsay_. Gan's could either have misunderstood or be using it in a context where the original meaning was unclear to others (whew). Then, I started wondering what he might have _really_ said. While this wasn't the most likely scenario, it was one of the more fun ones. Avon rags on Cally about > being an alien for three seasons But mostly from a cultural prejudice, not a species/ethnic one. That is, he rags on things she does and beliefs and values she has, along with the beliefs, values, and actions (or the inaction) of her people. You don't generally hear him condemning them simply because they're not human and presupposed to be inferior. Also, part of his ragging seems based on a belief she could or should change - contradicting the idea he sees her as inherently different. Hmm, I'm getting pretty serious for what started out as a bit of whimsy. Just to keep going, I have to admit I see this in terms that would make any relationship between them more prickly, not less. Whatever prejudices might be behind his believing it, if Avon saw Cally's differences as inherent and unchangeable, I think he's rational enough _not_ to get on her case about them as much as he does. He might even develop a tolerance for them. Or he'd realize this was a problem nothing could change, keep his distance, and move on. So, if I were to create a serious alternative for what Gan said Avon said, I'd guess it _was_ a negative comment. At this point, Avon wasn't interested per se (and I know some argue he never was or would be). However, he was both curious about what made her tick (the way he might be about any new factor impacting his survival) and irritated at not yet knowing the answers. OTOH, (please imagine imitation of really annoying kindergarten type sing-song) I think he LIKES her. Oh, all right, I think he COULD like her. Someday. With a bit of work. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:43:40 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Mary Poppins on the Liberator Message-ID: <20000321.211754.-423221.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:26:06 -0600 Lisa Williams writes: > >Not that it would have stopped her from raising Cally. Hmm, she > _was_ > >the only one showing a significant interest in music > > How does that connect her with Mary Poppins, or did I miss a > sequitur in > there somewhere? > -- The Disney version, "Spoon Full of Sugar," "Chim-Chim-Cheree," etc. At any rate, it's less difficult to imagine Cally enjoying a musical number than Avon or Blake. The book version Mary Poppins, I admit, was sometimes a bit spookier (she took the kids to meet a lady who broke off her own fingers and gave them to the children to eat [they were made of gingerbread, but it still gave me the creeps as a kid. She also said she sometimes ate them herself. Shades of the Donner Party] and other, weirder outings). If you're thinking of her, I can understand the confusion. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:41:07 -0600 From: "huh" To: "Lysator List" Subject: [B7L] speaking of costumes Message-ID: <00de01bf93b8$d7af03e0$4964e0d1@huh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=288708945 The air of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:56:50 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: [B7L] Blues Message-ID: <38D85292.659A56D9@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A Grammy Award to Mistral for the Ultramarine Blues: >...The room was full of snarls and leather, aggression, soma, curly hair... Bravo! Is anyone collecting these bluesy ballads to *humble begging* record on a filk tape? Any musicians on this list? It's about time we had a new B7 filk tape *hint hint* Or as a page on a web site? Perhaps with blue tinted photos of the crew? If no one else is doing this, perhaps I will? And now let's hear more of: dem lowdown Liberator blues There is a place in outer space They call the Big System An it's been the ruin of many a poor ship An Lawd, I fear Zen's one. My muuuuther was a baker Made a cake for dad To try and bust him out of jail But the file was found; too bad. Now the only thing a ship's thief needs Is a toolkit and a bunk An the only time that he's satisfied Is when he's on a drunk. There is a place in Sector Twelve They call The Tharn's Kingdom An it's been the ruin of many a poor ship An Lawd, I fear Zen's one... PatP http:\\www.geocities.com\area51\1707 __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:12:49 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: [B7L] First Impressions "The Web" Message-ID: <38D712E1.DE1BDDC2@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ariana wrote: >It's also a great pity that the very first >thing we see Cally do after her engaging entrance last week is get >possessed. So much for the capable warrior. Get used to it. *sigh* Pat -- "Never give up. Never surrender." -- Galaxy Quest __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:34:58 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: [B7L] Avon drool Message-ID: <38D85B81.2556AB46@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ariana wrote: >For the moment, Avon is too tense and aggressive to play the romantic lead >in my eyes. I also don't find him particularly good-looking I watched the entire series and never saw anything enticing about Avon. Blake was my man. Then I started reading fanfic: and my eyes were opened to a whole new reality. I was thoroughly brainwashed by dozens of zines. Upon second viewing of the series, I was all aslime in Avon drool. Blake? That mind-wiped manipulative bastard! So no, Ariana, it's not you: Avon starts out as an acid mouthed spoiled brat. But then we enter the era of black leather and studs - the change can only be compared to a snotty 15 year old boy who matures into dark, brooding young Marlon Brando. drooling beautifully, patp -- "Never give up. Never surrender." -- Galaxy Quest __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:41:33 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: [B7L] Animals Message-ID: <38D85D0D.BA0BEA65@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Susie wrote: A list of character swaps: most interesting. Blake as Jerriere: intriguing! And Blake as Jarvik. yum. How about Blake, Gan and Tarrant charging about as Hommicks? I'd imagine: Servalan = Soolin sharpshooter Dayna = Avalon, rebel leader Cally = Meegat, temple virgin Soolin = Tyce Sarkoff Jenna = Cancer (Piri & Assasin) Avon = Carnell of course patp http:\\www.geocities.com\area51\1707 __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:35:41 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Cast Swap Message-ID: <20000322063541.51202.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Susie wrote: Rai is Servalan's pretty toyboy in SLD, who demurs at Travis' appointment on moral grounds. In some ways, I see him, Samor and Jarvik as 'good Nazis' (heavy emphasis on the sarcasm here) - men who think of themselves as morally upright, even as they serve an immoral cause - and had Tarrant stayed in the FSA I can see him going the same route. Provine was indeed on Albian, he was the officer Blake was after for info on the location of Star One.. And Alta Morag was the bulldoggish woman who instigated the false charges against Blake. I just find her way more interesting than Servalan (mind you, this is *not* difficult.) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #79 *************************************