From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #76 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/76 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 76 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Lost in Cyberspace Re: [B7L] Off topic--UK sports [B7L] TV Zone Re: [B7L] INTJs, sounds of silence? [B7L] First impressions: "The Web" [B7L] Neil's posts [B7L] exploring the list [B7L] Avon's ego. [B7L] Neil, the changed man [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #75 Re: [B7L] Animals (was Greetings) Re: [B7L] Greetings [B7L] [B7] - New to list- Greetings Re: [B7L] Crossword clues Re: [B7L] Commiseration Re: [B7L] Greetings [B7L] Avon drool Re: [B7L] Crossword clues Re: [B7L] Aftermath (was Greetings) Re: [B7L] Ali G interviews Kerr Avon Re: [B7L] The nature of web sites (was episode reviews) Re: [B7L] The nature of WEB sites. Re: [B7L] Day Jobs [B7L] hyperspace Re: [B7L] Commiseration Re: [B7L] [B7] - New to list- Greetings Re: [B7L] Lost in Cyberspace Re: [B7L] First impressions: "The Web" Re: [B7L] B7 Blues Re: [B7L] Ali G interviews Kerr Avon Re: [B7L] Companions on the Liberator Re: [B7L] Greetings [B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon Re: [B7L] Crossword clues [B7L] Re: Costume/Prop Reference Book Re: [B7L] Crossword clues [B7L] Greetings Re: Re [B7L] B7 Blues Re: [B7L] hyperspace Re: [B7L] Greetings ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 05:09:40 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Lost in Cyberspace Message-ID: <20000319130940.1511.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Nina wrote: Absolutely. They were also without a doubt both *extremely* fond of the word "why?" (and for that matter "no") and somewhere between difficult and bloody impossible to look after (even as a child, 'twould have been fun telling Fearless Mini-Leader what he could and couldn't do...) JMHO, of course :-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2000 14:26:41 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Off topic--UK sports Message-ID: <86hfe3m6pa.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "Mac4781" == Mac4781 writes: > Soccer--Vila, sneaky and able to steal the ball without the opposing player > realizing it has gone missing. No, no. Soccer involves *running*. Can't see Vila doing that, unless he's running away from something. No, Vila plays pool. Depends on skilled hands, doesn't make you sweat, eminently compatible with some social drinking and there's plenty of opportunity for a modest scam. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "My Body Is A Temple...To Bacchus" -- Penny Dreadful ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:53:57 +0000 From: Steve Rogerson To: Lysator , Freedom City , blakes7@onelist.com, B7newonelist , Carnell7@aol.com Subject: [B7L] TV Zone Message-ID: <38D4DBF5.93C16112@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out the April issue of TV Zone (no 125) in the UK. It's got a five page B7 feature in it as part of its Fantasy Flashback series. The feature looks at the episode Gambit. Elsewhere in the issue it mentions that the B7 repeats on BBC2 are pulling in less than two million viewers. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:45:20 -0000 From: "Ariana" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] INTJs, sounds of silence? Message-ID: <013c01bf91ae$5c30c3e0$96e407c3@ariana> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > "Oh, her name is Ariana, > And she's a newbie fan. > Yeah her name is Ariana > And she sure is a real newbie fan. > And she's got the hots for Avon, Erm, when did I say that? If I did, I was lying. Though I understand that the 'hots for Avon' seems to be something most women catch later in the series, so maybe this limerick will become true later. It's just a little premature now - not to mention how off-putting it is to be given a label so soon after joining the fandom! (Usually takes at least *five* posts! ) Ariana http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:30:06 -0000 From: "Ariana" To: "b7" , "Judith Proctor" Subject: [B7L] First impressions: "The Web" Message-ID: <021e01bf91c8$e0a41680$96e407c3@ariana> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, this should be short. I'm afraid it is again a "second" impression since I saw it on UK Gold some time ago, but at least this should prompt some comment. So this is where the production values missing in the previous episodes went to. A location that doesn't involve a quarry, aliens in interesting costumes, sets that don't wobble. I'd be impressed if the episode had been more interesting. Not that it wasn't an acceptable little story. I liked the idea of the Decimas and the way they had evolved after they were created. Given the power to reproduce by natural means, it makes sense for them to evolve and move away from their creators. I also enjoyed Blake's dilemma over whether to free his ship or save the Decimas. This gave further fuel to my impression that he is a Decent Bloke... as well as a potential ancestor/descendant for Captain Janeway. There was no doubt that he would try and do something to stop their destruction. What was especially interesting is the way the Decimas won in the end. Although Blake stopped Novara from destroying them, they make it into the compound by chance. They then proceed to wreak a remarkable amount of havok, killing Novara and Geela in a pretty hideous manner. Blake might have done the Right Thing in wanting to save them, but Avon is equally justified in wondering whether they deserved to be saved. Meanwhile, back on the ship, the struggle to free the Liberator with Zen's haphasard assistance was also relatively interesting to follow. However, I thought Cally and Jenna were each possessed for way too long at the beginning of the episode. I find most possession stories annoying, and this definitely entered that category. It's also a great pity that the very first thing we see Cally do after her engaging entrance last week is get possessed. So much for the capable warrior. On the whole, although I found the episode watchable (just as well, since I had to watch it twice), I thought parts of it went on for too long. My boyfriend, the self-proclaimed B7 fan, wanted to switch over halfway through to see the football scores. On the whole, it just wasn't very good. On to my regularly-scheduled features: Character stuff: ================ Cally fared abysmally, as I said above. One of the reasons I dislike possession stories -- aside from the fact most of the ones I've seen were rubbish :) -- is the notion that a character's personality and behaviour can be simply taken over by someone else's. In Cally's case, we weren't even given an opportunity to see her own personality and behaviour before she's walking around being someone else. Jenna's unexplained hostility towards Cally annoyed me too; if it just turns out to "feminine jealousy", I'll be very cross. I did like the bit where Cally tries to accompany Blake to the surface, though, especially the shrug she gives Avon and Gan as she leaves the teleport room. I gather this is an episode which fans of Blake and Avon enjoy nonetheless, and I can sort of see why. I'm sure there have been twenty years of speculation on every scene they're in, so I'll spare myself the trouble of rehashing what I'm the last of many to notice. I'd hate to be categorised as an type of fan when I've barely started watching the show! Suffice it to say that much has no doubt been made of the scene where Avon saves Blake from the bomb, and the way that Blake later refers to Avon as a "friend" when he's talking to Saymon. Not exactly character stuff, but I had to put it somewhere. Zen and the Liberator's abilities are revealed more extensively in this episode. I love the idea of the self-repairing ship; beats Blake sending Avon down to modify the deflector shields or eject the warp core every time something goes wrong. Zen's unhelpfulness is also intriguing: it adds further mystery to the ship and makes the lives of those on board just that much harder. The fact that the crew don't know their ship is illustrated by Avon blowing up his experiment and Vila trying to fire without activating the "neutron flare shields". However, I do think the Liberator could do with a plain old-fashioned window. As to the others: Vila gets clobbered, Jenna gets possessed and Gan becomes a wits-sharpener for Avon. Well, a little bit more than that happens, but that's pretty much the gist of it. Nitpicks and Preposterous Props: ================================ I actually liked most of the production values in this episode (though I'll stop short at suggesting that there is some connection between the improved production values and my relative lack of enjoyment of the episode). The Decimas' costumes were particularly effective. The base wasn't bad either, though it did give a slight impression of a series of tents planted in the clearing -- didn't the Decimas have a knife handy? :) One thing I didn't really understand was why Blake was so impressed with the effect of the regenerating enzyme when the Liberator has a blotter that will do the same job? The thing in the tank was pretty awful. It was too obvious that a man was simply poking his head through a piece of cardboard. Also, the exterior of the Liberator still looks pretty bad, even wrapped in strung out cotton wool. Mind you, the shot of the ship flying through space probably wins as the worst shot in the episode. It's only marginally better than the credits. For some reason, I thought the container Avon was poking around in so industriously looked like one of those freezers where they keep ice-cream in shops. I think that was just me free-associating with things you have to bend into, though. Dialogue Gems: ============== JENNA: It wasn't what she was doing. It was the way she was. If you looked into her eyes it wasn't her looking back at you. GAN: Avon says that's because she's an alien. VILA: Everyone's an alien to him. ====== ZEN: The navigation computers have completed a theoretical projection of Liberator's position. BLAKE: And? ZEN: This star system is largely uncharted. VILA: Oh, that's marvelous. We're not sure where we are, but if they were sure they wouldn't know where it was anyway. ====== GAN: What are you trying to do? AVON: Bypass the detector comp and use another of the systems to receive the signal. GAN: Can it be done? AVON: Of course. It's just a matter of finding the link. Some of this technology is a little more advanced to that which I'm used. I'm having to guess at some of it. GAN: What about the automatic repair system? AVON: Oh, it'll do the job. Eventually. It's very methodical. (Begins linking wires to Liberator systems). It starts at the beginning and it works its way through. It's slow. You should appreciate that problem. [[This last bit has been construed by some as Avon being nasty to Gan. Well, yes, but if I was trying to do something fiddly and someone asked me that many questions, I'd probably turn nasty too. Not that Avon needs any excuses to be nasty.]] ====== AVON: There's always a market for technology like this. GAN: I don't think Blake would agree to that. AVON: There will come a time when he won't be making the decisions. (Avon smiles) [[With hindsight, that's pretty ominous]] ====== CALLY (Touching her temple) It has left her. Blake, that could've been one of the Lost. BLAKE: Well, don't be mystical Cally. Explain. [[Couldn't agree with him more!]] ====== BLAKE: No, there's more. They've got a carrier beam which projects fungicide which'll clear a way through the web for us. It doesn't work without this power. AVON: Ah well, if it's between the creatures and us there's no argument. Even your irrational conscience should be able to cope with that. (Pause as he knows jolly well Blake doesn't see it that way) What do you want to do? ====== AVON: Biological machines will never replace the real thing. They're far too unpredictable. BLAKE: At least the Decimas stand a chance now. You can't separate living creatures. Being alive involves them together. AVON: I couldn't agree with you less. Miscellaneous: ============== Blake is sleeping on the job again. This time, we get to see a glimpse of some sleeping quarters, no doubt making this precious research material for fanfic writers. We also get to see Blake with an open shirt. My mother told me never to trust a man without hair on his chest, which doesn't bode well for the Fearless Leader. ;) While I'm back on satorial comments -- evidently a new leitmotiv of mine -- I'd just like to say that this week's wardrobe made Vila look like an Eskimo, and Avon look as if he has a computer console around his neck. Still, at least Jenna has given the pink Levi's a rest. Comments and discussion welcome! Ariana ====== "Well, don't be mystical Cally. Explain." Blake in "The Web" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:11:12 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Neil's posts Message-ID: <38D50A30.7AB4@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Federation got a hold of him and they've put him on their drugs. Let's just hope it's not Pylene-50. We'll have to liberate him and see if we can reverse the effects. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:17:23 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] exploring the list Message-ID: <38D50BA2.6C26@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hmm. What does it say about me that I read the list for about a year > before I got Internet access - by downloading a month's worth of > archives whenever I got the chance to use someone else's access on > Janet? > -- > Julia Jones Probably that you needed internet access sooner. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:26:51 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Avon's ego. Message-ID: <38D50DDB.7F1F@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm not so sure. I think Avon needed other people to _know_ how superior > he was (except for those times he was pretending to be something inferior > as a set up so he could _really_ get them). > > Ellynne Exactly! He didn't try to *please* people; didn't care what they thought of him in that way. But he did try to impress them-- drawing attention to a bit of work he'd just completed, picking arguements to show off his rapier wit. "Avon's gadget works," wasn't praise enough to suit him. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:32:23 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Neil, the changed man Message-ID: <38D50F27.58CC@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What the heck, give me my hug before your medication wears off. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:39:56 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #75 Message-ID: <38D510EC.6C88@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Actually, though, this could be fun - if it bled over to Neil's stories, we > might get an sweetness-and-light-and-sunshine-and-lollipops Avon... > > Come on, Neil, you *can* do it. I have faith. > Actually, I hope he doesn't. A friend and I have been working on that very project. Before Neil got started on his saccharine kick. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:38:45 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals (was Greetings) Message-ID: <000801bf91d2$5bf7f640$b0ee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sally wrote: >Good God. I thought Avon looked bad enough in *that* get-up in Deathwatch, >but the mental picture of Paul in Justin's surreally awful outfit is…is… You mean it's the outfit that makes Justin so unappealing? :-) But Paul Darrow can make *almost* any outfit look good. O dear, now I get a mental picture of Blake in the Lobster suit... Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:47:32 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Greetings Message-ID: <000f01bf91d3$95e4f3c0$b0ee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To my: > There, there... As for the tea, will Earl Grey do, or would you rather have Darjeeling? Sally wrote: >Anyone else have this GLORIOUS mental picture of Marian doing this warm and >fuzzy bit to My Darlings on the Liberator? What an enticing thought. :-) Vila would love it, Blake wouldn't notice and Avon would not stand it for a minute. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:49:52 -0000 From: "Steve Lawson" To: Subject: [B7L] [B7] - New to list- Greetings Message-ID: <00a101bf9238$8fa76780$755d883e@oemcomputer> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01BF9238.7E120FC0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01BF9238.7E120FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I'm all a bit new to mailing lists, I hope that this gets to = you all. It is excellent to find others with a keen interest in the B7 series. I = remember watching it when I was 5 years old, I also remember crying when I saw episode 'Blake', how my parents tried to console me. ahhhh very = difficult to explain to a 5 year old that they were only actors. Anyway it must = have had a lasting effect as I have remained an fan, now 23 I feel that I = have been re-introduced to that part of me I had forgotten. I am hoping to share in your discussions soon.... see ya Julia ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01BF9238.7E120FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there, I'm all a bit new to mailing = lists, I=20 hope that this gets to you all. It
is excellent to find others with a keen = interest in=20 the B7 series. I remember
watching it when I was 5 years old, I = also remember=20 crying when I saw
episode 'Blake', how my parents tried = to console=20 me. ahhhh very difficult
to explain to a 5 year old that they = were only=20 actors. Anyway it must have
had a lasting effect as I have remained = an fan, now=20 23 I feel that I have been
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------=_NextPart_000_009E_01BF9238.7E120FC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:13:03 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Crossword clues Message-ID: <003801bf91d7$310b8d20$b0ee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil wrote: >Meanwhile, here are some more cryptics. >"Not quite very large, what we all ought to give each other (3)" >"No tea for brutal fellow, give him this instead (3)" >"Expression of disgust turns into gesture of affection (3)" >"Not the French Ursula following female swan with sinister plans for world >domination (7)" The first and third are both "hug", aren't they? [hug(e) and ugh] The second's got to be "hug" too but I can't work it out. The fourth wouldn't be penguin by any chance? :-) (Can't work that one out either.) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:29:42 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: "Sondra Sweigman" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Commiseration Message-ID: <004301bf91d9$7bcfa600$b0ee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sondra wrote to Neil: >In fact, I've been "slandered" in much the >same way although not by the same penguin (pardon me, person). Penguin will do, I'm rather fond of those shufflers. :-) >What we have operating here, I think, is the time-honored >psychological principle that people will see what they're predisposed >to see (and want to see). Very much true in my case. And if I did offend/insult/hurt Neil or anyone else on this list I offer my sincere apologies. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:21:19 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Greetings Message-ID: In message <20000319125359.58529.qmail@hotmail.com>, Sally Manton writes >Anyone else have this GLORIOUS mental picture of Marian doing this warm and >fuzzy bit to My Darlings on the Liberator? I can see Avon working out that he's being wound up, and being torn between being seriously pissed off, and desire to watch it being done to Blake... -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:25:52 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: b7 Subject: [B7L] Avon drool Message-ID: In message <013c01bf91ae$5c30c3e0$96e407c3@ariana>, Ariana writes >Erm, when did I say that? If I did, I was lying. Though I understand that >the 'hots for Avon' seems to be something most women catch later in the >series, so maybe this limerick will become true later. It tends to be assumed that women who do not specifically state that they cannot understand why the rest of us are drooling, are drooling. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:53:57 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Crossword clues Message-ID: <055001bf91dc$f276d550$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marian wrote: > Neil wrote: > >Meanwhile, here are some more cryptics. > > >"Not quite very large, what we all ought to give each other (3)" > >"No tea for brutal fellow, give him this instead (3)" > >"Expression of disgust turns into gesture of affection (3)" > >"Not the French Ursula following female swan with sinister plans for world > >domination (7)" > > The first and third are both "hug", aren't they? [hug(e) and ugh] > > The second's got to be "hug" too but I can't work it out. That's no 't' for a 'thug', so 'hug'. > The fourth wouldn't be penguin by any chance? :-) (Can't work that one out > either.) Well, 'not the French Ursula' means you take away 'Ursula Le' from 'Ursula Le Guin', so there's 'guin', and a female swan is a 'pen', so if you put 'guin' following 'pen', you get one of those loveable little shufflers. Which makes Neil's subconscious message from those four clues: 'hug hug hug penguin'. Who's the *real* traitor round here, we wonder...? Una ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:05:17 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Aftermath (was Greetings) Message-ID: <005101bf91de$7492acc0$b0ee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne wrote: >Plus just regular, old battle fatigue. Besides, perhaps, after spending >however long fighting shapechanging, other galaxy aliens, Servalan >(temporarily) looked like such a minor, normal, everyday problem. Were there that many shapechanging other galaxy aliens in S1-2? >Of course, if Avon ever puts what happened to the Mellanby family on the >same level as if it had happened to his own family - and if he blames >himself - well, OK, he's done a good job of hiding it and you think he >would have dealt a little more harshly with Servalan, given the chance, >but there may be a _little_ of that floating around in his psyche. I wish he *had* dealt more harshly with Servalan. I think it unforgivable that, after what she did first to Mellanby and then to Auron, he didn't kill her at the first opportunity. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:01:00 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Ali G interviews Kerr Avon Message-ID: <055901bf91de$c8313ae0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob wrote: > Ali G interviews Kerr Avon God, this was funny. Favourite bits... > AVON: Her name was Anna Grant. > > ALI: Yeah, right. But I seen dis picture of er, an I reckon she woz a bit > of a minger. > > AVON: [More to himself than Ali] A bit of a "minger". > ALI: Yeah, but Alison finks she knows. She reckon Blake woz bonin some > uvver geeza, an you flipped out when you found out, innit? > > AVON: I really have no desire to continue this conversation. Quality entertainment, Rob! Una ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:48:26 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] The nature of web sites (was episode reviews) Message-ID: <000601bf91e0$71340680$613263c3@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neil Faulkner >Andrew Ellis wrote: >> I'm unlike Niel in that I have not been on line for 10 years. > >As Judith and Julia both pointed out, it's a bit less than that. About 18 >months would be nearer the mark. Actually it's nearer 17. I've been >involved in *fandom* for something close to 10 years, starting with >Horizon's newsletters and letterzines (for which I wrote horrendously long >LOCs [that's 'Letter Of Comment']) before editing and then publishing my own >rag - AltaZine - and putting out two fiction zines. > >Many of the TLAs I just sort of picked up as I went along, though it did >take me a while to realise that IMO was a reference to Ian the Mighty >Ostrich, struthionic superhero of the Serengeti. Thanks for the advice Neil. But why do some people think the Ostrich is Horrible (IMHO) ? Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:59:53 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] The nature of WEB sites. Message-ID: <000701bf91e0$7258fe80$613263c3@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A conversation between me and Neil Faulkner ..... >Andrew Ellis wrote: Andrew > I hope people with Neil's view don't get bored at Redemption (or any other >gathering of fans), with all that pawing over old ground, I intend to have a >jolly good time.> > Neil >So do I. I might even get around to discussing a bit of B7, but that's >probably asking a bit much from a convention. The ostensible subject of fan >meetings tends, in my experience, to be fairly low on the agenda. Looks like I'll be buying you a drink there then. Looking forward to it. Andrew > Here is a friendly >challenge just to Neil. How many of your last, say 20, posts actually >contributed a genuinely new concept, or was even "fresh". Remember to check >back over 22 years of paper, electronic and verbal contributions to fandom.> > >Heh-heh, I just checked back over the last 20 posts I sent. Only about two >of them commented directly on B7. One was a crossword clue, the other one >elaborated on a certain parodic piece I stuck up on my website last week. >The rest were peripheral to the series itself, and mainly about websites for >some unfathomable reason. > Nice one. That why I owe you the drink. The rest was all a very well put point of view which I neither disagree with, or can add anything to. So, I'll be letting Neil have the last word. Andrew p.s. Except, >"I am not a man, I am a free number." Do ALL B7 fans also follow The Prisoner ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:03:43 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Day Jobs Message-ID: <000801bf91e0$78cbfec0$613263c3@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Dana wrote: >> Think about it. What do we call people who are clever, arrogant, highly >> verbal, precise to the point of pedantry, NEVER stop arguing, have lots of >> black suits, lie early and often, and would embezzle five million credits >as >> soon as look at you? > >I suspect some people would be tempted to call them Neil. > Or Dave (if your still lurking) Apology to the list for the private joke. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:16:28 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: Subject: [B7L] hyperspace Message-ID: <000901bf91e0$79b6fb00$613263c3@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F6_01BF911F.39CB4620" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01BF911F.39CB4620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any tech stuff out there on propulsion systems I can read up = on. The point is this. I long thought that Time Distort (B7) and Hyperspace = (ST, SW) were totally different things. I was certain that the H word = was never even mentioned in "our" series until "that" radio play (the = one with the hamburgers), and then the central theme of the next radio = play. But then in Space Fall, Jenna say's "It feels like an early mark = HYPERDRIVE which needs re stressing, the whole thing .....". I was reminded of this uncertainty in my mind by the Horizon newsletter = 39.5, in which Murray claims that TD-18 is not twice as fast as TD-12. = But, if you allow me to insist that TD is a decibel scale, TD-18 is = actually FOUR times faster than TD-12. Anyway, apart from Neil's excellent (but IMAO slightly flawed) article = on distance and speed, anything else out there ? Andrew ------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01BF911F.39CB4620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there any tech stuff = out there on=20 propulsion systems I can read up on.
 
The point is this. I = long thought=20 that Time Distort (B7) and Hyperspace (ST, SW) were totally different = things. I=20 was certain that the H word was never even mentioned in "our" = series=20 until "that" radio play (the one with the hamburgers), and = then the=20 central theme of the next radio play.
 
But then in Space Fall, = Jenna say's=20 "It feels like an early mark HYPERDRIVE which needs re stressing, = the whole=20 thing .....".
 
I was reminded of this = uncertainty in=20 my mind by the Horizon newsletter 39.5, in which Murray claims that = TD-18 is not=20 twice as fast as TD-12. But, if you allow me to insist that TD is a = decibel=20 scale, TD-18 is actually FOUR times faster than TD-12.
 
Anyway, apart from = Neil's excellent=20 (but IMAO slightly flawed) article on distance and speed, anything else = out=20 there ?
 
Andrew
------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01BF911F.39CB4620-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:11:30 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Commiseration Message-ID: <05d101bf91e1$a90aa720$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marian wrote: > Very much true in my case. And if I did offend/insult/hurt Neil or anyone > else on this list I offer my sincere apologies. Speaking for myself, I think your posts have been an absolute riot and that you've fitted in this here lunatic asylum immediately! :) Una ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:10:11 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] [B7] - New to list- Greetings Message-ID: <05d001bf91e1$a8c2c8b0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (A new) Julia wrote: > Hi there, I'm all a bit new to mailing lists, I hope that this gets to you all. Hi there! Through loud and clear. Welcome aboard! > I feel that I have been re-introduced to that part of me I had forgotten. :) Know exactly what you mean! > I am hoping to share in your discussions soon.... Look forward to hearing from you. Una ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:36:17 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Lost in Cyberspace Message-ID: <013201bf91e5$f7d912c0$613263c3@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ><< I've often wondered about Avon's well-roundedness > (training-educationwise, that is). It seems a little beyond what anyone > could possibly accomplish. >> > >Combined hardware/software skills are kind of rare, but not nonexistent -- my >other half is that type. Started in electronics and progressed into >programming. I suspect that as a child, Avon (and Blake too, probably) drove >adults nuts by taking everything apart to see how it worked. > >Nina Hear hear. Lots of great people have been skilled in more than one discipline. Some of them even switch fields, and get Nobel prizes for their new work. As Nina say's - Rare, but not non-existent. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:58:11 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] First impressions: "The Web" Message-ID: <013301bf91e5$f8d4d7e0$613263c3@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Such a refreshing viewpoint. I'm looking forward to the replies to this one. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:21:49 -0000 From: "Alison Page" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 Blues Message-ID: <00a501bf91e9$3e360b80$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Coolbox blues I'm sitting here wondering Cool box holding my tools Yes, I'm sitting here wondering Cool box holding my tools I'm keeping tight hold of my lunchbox 'cos I'm stuck on this ship full of fools Let me be your little dog 'til your big big dog comes Let me be your little dog 'til your big dog comes When your big dog gets here See how your puppy dog runs Alison ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:14:31 -0000 From: "Alison Page" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Ali G interviews Kerr Avon Message-ID: <00a401bf91e9$3cfec400$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very funny indeed. I hate to think what the non-brits think you are playing at. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:24:39 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Companions on the Liberator Message-ID: <20000319222439.75379.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Russ Massey >People tend to underestimate Nyssa's ruthlessness. She came from a >supposedly Utopian culture, yet the first time we see her she uses her >political clout to browbeat underlings, persuades a policeman to break >the law by bribing him and shows a distinct steak of selfish >pragmatism. >In many later stories she's the first to pick up any handy weapon in >her vicinity and quote happily guns down several of the Chancellry >Guards on Gallifry in order to reach the endangered Doctor. With >slightly more arrogance she'd be a female Avon! Give her blonde hair and less loyalty, and she might be Soolin all over again, if it comes to that. Trouble is, on the Liberator she might've been Cally all over again - I'm not underestimating the degree of ruthlessness Cally was capable of, early on, and yet... Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:26:49 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Greetings Message-ID: <20000319222649.67270.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Sally Manton" >I don't think Neil loves us all any more...there there (Joanne, still got >those damp cloths for the forehead?) They're in the wash - I needed them to get to sleep over the weekend. I'm sure Neil would appreciate it more if they were clean. Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:50:50 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon Message-ID: <38D575E9.C35AA86F@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne: "How would Avon react to a woman whose traveling bag broke the laws of physics and who knew she was practically perfect in every way?" Avon would kiss her and take the bag away for further investigation and use against the Federation. Susie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:05:55 EST From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Crossword clues Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/18/00 9:30:25 PM Mountain Standard Time, N.Faulkner@tesco.net writes: << Oh, it's just so *wonderful* to be alive... >> ??? Who *is* this person, and *what* has he done with *the real* Neil??? Nina ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:29:55 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Costume/Prop Reference Book Message-ID: <38D57F12.ADBBCDB@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julia: "I still want to see that costume/prop reference book, but I can't see it happening unless a lot of other people say the same thing..." I'd like to see it too! And not just for my former life as a props mistress and member of the costume crew. (a scary thing when you can't sew!) (Well, I can sew props, just not clothes... I made a duck puppet without a pattern once for "Pippin." Funny thing about birds - I once made a dead bird for "Cyrano" and my study hall teacher looked at me in distressed curiosity asking what the heck I was doing. I made bats for "Dracula," although bats aren't birds they do fly and these guys "flew" on wires.) Anyway... it'd be cool to see the history of the costumes and props and not just from Muir's listing of what was begged, borrowed and stolen from the set of "Space 1999." Learning that file boxes made up the console supports on the flight deck was a surprise. Low budget brings a lot of creativity. Susie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:26:46 EST From: Prmolloy@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Crossword clues Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit N.Faulkner@tesco.net writes: << Oh, it's just so *wonderful* to be alive... >> << ??? Who *is* this person, and *what* has he done with *the real* Neil??? Away for one weekend, Neil's giving hugs and Penny's pulled out from this list. I'm very very scare. Is this still the B7 list or have we switched to Disney? Trish ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:44:24 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: [B7L] Greetings Message-ID: <38D5ACA8.36C82B9F@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil wrote: > From now on I'm going to be extremely nice to everyone, even Una... > ...Now, who wants a ? I believe Neil has been to Ultraworld, where the Altas accidentally got his brain switched with that of a puffin. Or perhaps a muffin. PatP __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:36:04 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Re [B7L] B7 Blues Message-ID: <20000320053604.33478.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Neil Faulkner" >Here's one for Vila to sing (possibly on the Other List, but I'm not subbed >to that). >Up-tempo a la Elmore James, I think... [snip] Only one way of describing this, this, um, ditty, really: pale Avon (6) Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2000 06:47:47 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: "Andrew Ellis" Cc: Subject: Re: [B7L] hyperspace Message-ID: <861z56mbuk.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please don't post HTML to the list. /listadmin -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se The void faerie hungers for new toys. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:20:59 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Greetings Message-ID: <067001bf9235$3db81760$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PatP wrote: > Neil wrote: > > From now on I'm going to be extremely nice to everyone, even Una... > > ...Now, who wants a ? > > I believe Neil has been to Ultraworld, where the Altas accidentally got > his brain switched with that of a puffin. Or perhaps a muffin. Could just be nuffin. Una -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #76 *************************************