From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #47 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/47 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 47 Today's Topics: RE: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan? [B7L] B7 on BBC Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan? Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan? Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan? Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #45 [B7L] Aftermath Re: [B7L] B7 on BBC [B7L] Re: B7 on BBC RE: [B7L] B7 on BBC Re: [B7L] Space Fall Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan? Lost episodes (was: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #45) [B7L] Re: Space Fall Re: [B7L] Space Fall [B7L] ETA Cygnus Alpha Re: [B7L] Space Fall ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 19:01:39 -0000 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan? Message-ID: <01BF7B0B.DB5C9E00@host213-1-147-62.btinternet.com> Michael Bailey wrote: >I don't think Avon wanted to die at the end of the series. Remember, he >was the one who would abandon the crew and set of to the stars by >himself in the Liberator with ORAC. The Avon I remember was the one who thought about leaving on his own but didn't. Incidentally, I don't think Avon _wanted_ to die. He was a practical person, however, and at that moment his options boiled down to: 1) shoot it out with a large number of Feds and die 2) surrender to the Feds, be interrogated and then die I believe he chose the first option. I don't believe Servalan would be stupid enough to walk into the room before Avon was disarmed - not when all his friends had just been shot, and not when he had just shot Blake. Louise ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:00:31 +0000 From: Steve Rogerson To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] B7 on BBC Message-ID: <38AEF65D.74ACB4AB@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sigh, here we go. Any hope that this may be a continuous run of B7 has been dashed after only two episodes. The announcer said at the end at the end that it'll be back in two weeks. I suspect we'll have to get used to this, being knocked off anytime they can think of something 'better' to put on. The version of Space Fall they showed was the one with the cut to Avon's fight scene in the computer room. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson "In my world, there are people in chains and you can ride them like ponies" The alternative Willow, Buffy the Vampire Slayer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:17:28 -0500 From: Michael Bailey To: Prmolloy@aol.com, "Blake's 7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan? Message-ID: <38AEFA57.947C4A02@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Prmolloy@aol.com wrote: > Yes, so he said. The thing with Avon is that his actions very often belied > his words. Yes. It makes the series so good doesn't it? Michael __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:19:20 -0500 From: Michael Bailey To: Sally Manton , "Blake's 7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan? Message-ID: <38AEFAC7.5B9F6D62@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sally Manton wrote: > Michael wrote: > the one who would abandon the crew and set of to the stars by himself in the > Liberator with ORAC.> > > In Horizon, right? You will notice that he couldn't…quite…talk himself into > it… > > I don't think he specifically wanted to die (although – given the distraught > emotional state that made him want to protect Blake's body - it wouldn't be > impossible *just for that particular moment*) but it was the best option he > had at that minute. No ship, no people, no hope - and yes, the Federation > would probably have killed him. Even Servalan; their last encounter was in > Warlord, remember? "Send me his corpse." She'd just have ripped whatever > information she could out of him before quite literally 'disposing' of him > IMO. > > Avon believed that Blake was dead – if the others fleetingly touched his > thoughts (he doesn't even look around to see *after* he's come out of the > semi-trance) he probably believed them all dead – and he had no way out. A > quick death was simply the best of his limited options at that moment… > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Even though I don't agree with you... I really have to say that is a very interresting synopsis of what you think happened. In my opinion, I think everyone did die. Just for a special reason. Michael __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:23:04 -0500 From: Michael Bailey To: Louise Rutter , "Blake's 7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan? Message-ID: <38AEFBA6.857ECD52@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louise Rutter wrote: > Michael Bailey wrote: > > >I don't think Avon wanted to die at the end of the series. Remember, he > >was the one who would abandon the crew and set of to the stars by >himself > in the Liberator with ORAC. > > The Avon I remember was the one who thought about leaving on his own but > didn't. > > Incidentally, I don't think Avon _wanted_ to die. He was a practical > person, however, and at that moment his options boiled down to: > 1) shoot it out with a large number of Feds and die > 2) surrender to the Feds, be interrogated and then die > > I believe he chose the first option. I don't believe Servalan would be > stupid enough to walk into the room before Avon was disarmed - not when all > his friends had just been shot, and not when he had just shot Blake. > > Louise Well I think Servalan really liked Avon. I think she just had to see him before he died. Anyways, weren't her guards supposed to shoot him first like in "Gold"? Michael __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:44:08 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #45 Message-ID: <009801bf7b23$b414d840$6c9601d5@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Una said: >> Anyone out there a real 'Aftermath' aficionado? From: Helen Krummenacker >Possibly you will think I'm very sad for this, but, YES! Well said Helen. I like Aftermath too. I have also been known to regret the loss of the episode between Star One and Aftermath Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 23:18:01 +0100 From: Angria@t-online.de (Tanja Kinkel) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Aftermath Message-ID: <12MICP-1Rf2i8C@fwd07.sul.t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > >Una asked: > >> Anyone out there a real 'Aftermath' aficionado? > > > From: Helen Krummenacker > >Possibly you will think I'm very sad for this, but, YES! Me too! Tanja ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 23:23:27 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 on BBC Message-ID: In message <38AEF65D.74ACB4AB@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>, Steve Rogerson writes >The version of Space Fall they showed was the one with the cut to Avon's >fight scene in the computer room. What was cut? It had the ear-boxing scene. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:05:49 +0000 From: Steve Rogerson To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] Re: B7 on BBC Message-ID: <38AF2FD3.A894D117@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops, it shows how long it was since I watched the compilation tape The Beginning, my only source of the uncut fight scene (I never saw it first time round live, I joined part way through S2). Having read the comments at the end of the previous digest, I went back and rechecked, and yes the fight scene was uncut today. I, for some reason, thought that when he first attacks the technician and knocks him down, there was an extra punch there, because if you look at it, it seems as if he is about to and then it cuts sharply to the flight deck. Oh well, looks like I had an unjustified go at the beeb - sorry if you're lurking, Sue or anyone else from Auntie! -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson "In my world, there are people in chains and you can ride them like ponies" The alternative Willow, Buffy the Vampire Slayer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:21:09 -0000 From: "Andy Hopkinson" To: Subject: RE: [B7L] B7 on BBC Message-ID: <000001bf7b38$76b0b360$4fe92ac2@orac> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sigh, here we go. Any hope that this may be a continuous run of B7 has been dashed after only two episodes. The announcer said at the end at the end that it'll be back in two weeks. I suspect we'll have to get used to this, being knocked off anytime they can think of something 'better' to put on. The version of Space Fall they showed was the one with the cut to Avon's fight scene in the computer room. -- cheers Steve Rogerson Sorry Steve but you are wrong. The episode of SpaceFall that was shown today was in fact the uncut version, with the scene of Avon clapping his opponent about the ears intact! Alan Stevens & Andy Hopkinson. "It's only half past eight!" The Logic of Empire. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 17:31:37 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Fall Message-ID: <20000220013137.3089.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Julia wrote: I watched it on video (sort of in sympathy? Okay, any excuse, I love Spacefall)…'tis a wonderful early moment for those of us who adore him for the right bastard he is… ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 17:32:29 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan? Message-ID: <20000220013229.16995.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Michael wrote: s'alright, if everyone agreed with even one of my Firm Opinions, I'd keel over from the shock…one thing that will become blinding obvious as you keep reading is that I'm one of them that see *everything* that happens in the series as backdrop for Avon and Blake (this is not at all easy with Sarcophagus -> DeathWatch, but I'll keep working on it). I'm fascinated by quite a lot of the other relationships (Avon-Vila, Blake-Vila, Blake-Travis, Avon-Soolin, Gan-everyone except Cally…unfortunately, Avon-Servalan is *not* one of them) but I'm one of Una's Account 2 types with a vengeance - the whole Andromedan War is almost purely fodder for "I have always trusted you…" Actually, I have come to the happy decision that Harriet was right in …And crashed into something (a stray asteroid, an even strayer ship – I know, a DSV no one knew about!) on the way, so she is dead too (well, you said *everyone* ). And Orac had that nice little self-destruct program Avon installed for Moments Like These, which makes the whole thing nice and neat. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 17:33:49 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Lost episodes (was: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #45) Message-ID: <20000220013349.96059.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Andrew wrote: Yes!!! And the one between Voice from the Past and Gambit. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 06:49:47 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Space Fall Message-ID: <200002200650_MC2-99E4-CD4A@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alison wrote: >This is how I privately see it (I know nobody else will agree >but here goes) an 'elder race' of awesome power which no >longer interacts with the physical world all that much >nevertheless has 'our' galaxy as its home. ... >But now its home is under threat from the Andromedans. So it > effortlessly marshals the pawns at its disposal to eliminate that threat. Good heavens, you mean it was the Vorlons all along? Were they the gods who gave the Auronar telepathy? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:39:11 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Fall Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In message <20000220013137.3089.qmail@hotmail.com>, Sally Manton writes >I watched it on video (sort of in sympathy? Okay, any excuse, I love >Spacefall) Ok, hands up, how many of the Brits were getting an extra kick out of knowing they were watching it at the same time as everyone else? We'll have to put the time up on Friday night so the geographically challenged know when to put a tape on. >…'tis a wonderful early moment for those of us who adore him for >the right bastard he is… Oh, so true:-) -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:02:50 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" , Freedom City Subject: [B7L] ETA Cygnus Alpha Message-ID: <200002201003_MC2-99EB-1CCC@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Curious to know why the BBC2 announcer had predicted a two-week gap before the next episode of the Great Reshowing, I looked in the TV guides that came with my Sunday papers this morning and was surprised to find that both claimed Blake's 7 would be shown on Feb 26 at 1.45 p.m. (there being some tennis at 4 p.m.) So I've just rung the BBC information line, and a very friendly lady said that, while they didn't actually have a Radio Times in the office at the moment, she'd look on the net, which should be up to date; after doing this, she said it definitely wasn't on for Feb 26, and March 4 was too far ahead for her to say anything. We concluded that the Sunday papers were working from an earlier schedule which got scrapped. Summary: March 4 still looks likeliest date for the rendezvous chez Vargas. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 17:07:10 -0000 From: "Julie Horner" To: "Julia Jones" , Cc: Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Fall Message-ID: <003001bf7bc5$02465240$539abc3e@orac> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Julia Jones" > Ok, hands up, how many of the Brits were getting an extra kick out of > knowing they were watching it at the same time as everyone else? Knowing my nearest and dearest would pour scorn on me for watching it on TV when I have the full set of videos, I had to pretend that I was outside cleaning the car. Then I sneaked back in to the unoccupied living room and watched a bit with the door shut and the sound low. Eventually my cover was blown by my 4 year old, whose persistent questions (Why is it a space ship? Why did that man hit that lady, why are the seats black..) forced me back outside with the chammy leather. Julie Horner -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #47 *************************************