From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #246 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/246 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 246 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Recasting and Cricketers [ "J MacQueen" ] Re: [B7L] In Praise of Dark and Dysf [ Betty Ragan ] [B7L] While I'm still in the mood [ "J MacQueen" ] Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc [ Iain Coleman ] Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc [ mistral@ptinet.net ] Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. [ "Minnie" ] [B7L] Fw: Deceptions [ "David A McIntee" ] Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc [ Iain Coleman ] Re: [B7L] In Praise of Dark and Dysf [ Julia Jones ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:18:58 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Recasting and Cricketers Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> >In 1996, Nick Barlow explained that Shane Warne was from Auron. Given allegations of misconduct involving the female of the species, I'm surprised Warney wasn't linked with Vila. Mind you, I don't want to consider that at all - while Vila has pride in his abilities, he's never struck me as being an arrogant brat. Regards Joanne (under the influence of her brother's opinions of Warne) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:46:45 -0600 From: Betty Ragan To: B7 Lyst Subject: Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. Message-ID: <39AD9CE5.E9FE02E1@sdc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mistral wrote: > For example, I've noticed that the things I connect > with most strongly are themed around commitment issues: loyalty, > trust, honor, devotion. (LOL. Could this be related to the 'intolerance > to uncertainty' you mentioned in your J or P post?) Does anyone > else notice similar patterns in their viewing habits? I have noticed that some of the other fiction that I like best or find most emotionally affecting shares certain major themes with B7: trust and betrayal issues, tragedy, complex anti-heroes, reality and decption issues... Of course, I like a lot of other stuff as well, but B7 appeals to a great many of my tastes. (Although I have occasionally wondered whether my taste for tragedy was part of the reason my I love B7 so much, or whether seeing B7 at a fairly young age is what actually gave me my taste for tragedy...) -- Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ "Imposing Latin rules on English structure is a little like trying to play baseball in ice skates." -- Bill Bryson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:04:10 -0600 From: Betty Ragan To: B7 Lyst Subject: Re: [B7L] In Praise of Dark and Dysfunctional ... Message-ID: <39ADA0FA.F1FF6A94@sdc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Responding to me, Julia Jones wrote: > > The best way to deceive and mislead is > > tell the truth, carefully edited or carefully slanted with just the > > right words. It's easier to do, you don't have to worry about being a > > bad liar, and it's *much* easier to keep track of what you've told > > people. > > And since we're having a Myers-Briggs discussion again - INTx types > frequently don't define this behaviour as lying. Deception, yes - but > lying is a particular sub-set of deception, being the deliberate telling > of that which you believe to be an untrue statement. [blink] You mean, other types *don't* see it that way? (Hey, the *other* advantage to that method is that you can later point out that you *didn't* lie... :)) (Me, I appear to be INxx, and thus pretty much uncalssifiable... ) -- Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ "Imposing Latin rules on English structure is a little like trying to play baseball in ice skates." -- Bill Bryson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:34:53 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] While I'm still in the mood Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Apologies to Mistral and Dana, as the other one isn't finished yet... Regards Joanne Avon Callin' (tune: This is Tomorrow Callin', Brian Ferry) Poundin' at my teleport bracelet Need to leave real soon Over in the middle distance Some Federation goon Suddenly the call I'm gettin' Sweeps through my fear This is Kerr Avon callin' Got to get you out of here Runnin' from another gun blast It's givin' me the blues Peerin' around every corner Not the life I'd choose But even through the sirens wailin' I hear a welcome sound This is Kerr Avon callin' Run for higher ground I don't want to do this ever Oh no never again Still another lock needs pickin' Enough to drive you insane But just about the time I think my mind's Goin' to blow This is Kerr Avon callin' Teleport's ready to go Now I'm in a place of safety 'Though I'm still not free Always someone 'round who wants to Pick on little me Until best of all I've heard today Is said to Zen This is Roj Blake wantin' To travel at standard by ten This is Roj Blake wantin' To travel at standard by ten _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:14:28 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc Message-ID: <005101c0132c$22666ac0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: > Oh yes, please, let's quibble over definitions instead of acknowledging > the validity of the parallel ;-) All the groundwork on type theory was > done years ago; and you do _not_ just wander around saying 'pretty > birdie, pretty song, hello birdie' (as your so amusing recasting post > bears witness.) You've learned to identify them, their habits and > habitats, etc. Presumably it enhances your understanding and > enjoyment of them to have _studied_ these things. Type theory is > essentially the same thing. I don't particularly enjoy interacting with > real live people; but I do like to study them. Seems very > similar to me. There is an essential difference to the way birders classify birds and MB afficionados classify people. Birds can be ascribed to a definite type, as in a species. Given that birding is essentially trainspotting with feathers, knowing the species is what primarily matters. In fact, hybrids, whilst scientifically interesting, tend to get dismissed because they can't be ascribed to a single species. Species are pretty predictable - one Coot tends to look pretty much like any other Coot, and can be relied on to be just as boring. People, on the other hand, all belong to one single species, though they are so variable as to make the plumage phases of the larger gulls seem like a piece of cake. Individuals themselves vary tremendously in behaviour (and appearance, in some cases), and extremely susceptible to situational modifiers. So something like MB or any other type theory strikes me as an attempt to impose an artificial classification system on something that cannot be so easily classified. Sure, most people can be categorised to an extent, and their behaviour can be inferred from that - to an extent. But ultimately any type theory can only indicate probabilities, which cannot be treated as certainties. I've just finished reading a book on the FBI's Investigative Support Unit (previously the Behavioral Science Unit), and the guys who 'profile' serial killers and rapists. Their profiles are usually very close, even down to the colour of the offender's car, but the profiles do not in themselves point a finger at individuals. In fact, catching serials is difficult because many, many people fit the generic profile without ever comitting a single serious crime. (As it happens, I fit quite closely on a lot of the major points, which has done my general sense of paranoia no end of good.) Neil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:56:57 +0100 (BST) From: Iain Coleman To: B7 Lyst Subject: Re: [B7L] In Praise of Dark and Dysfunctional ... Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Betty Ragan wrote: > Responding to me, Julia Jones wrote: > > > > The best way to deceive and mislead is > > > tell the truth, carefully edited or carefully slanted with just the > > > right words. It's easier to do, you don't have to worry about being a > > > bad liar, and it's *much* easier to keep track of what you've told > > > people. > > > > And since we're having a Myers-Briggs discussion again - INTx types > > frequently don't define this behaviour as lying. Deception, yes - but > > lying is a particular sub-set of deception, being the deliberate telling > > of that which you believe to be an untrue statement. > > [blink] You mean, other types *don't* see it that way? (Hey, the > *other* advantage to that method is that you can later point out that > you *didn't* lie... :)) And furthermore, it appeals to the desire to be cleverer than everyone else. There's nothing clever about a bald lie, but to carefully edit and slant the truth so as to deceive... that takes cunning. And is therefore much more satisfying. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:09:26 +0100 (BST) From: Iain Coleman To: b7 Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Neil Faulkner wrote: > point a finger at individuals. In fact, catching serials is difficult > because many, many people fit the generic profile without ever comitting a > single serious crime. (As it happens, I fit quite closely on a lot of the > major points, which has done my general sense of paranoia no end of good.) It's the rest of us that should be worried. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:41:37 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc Message-ID: <39AE1A40.24B08DAD@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > People, on the other hand, all belong to one single species, though they are > so variable as to make the plumage phases of the larger gulls seem like a > piece of cake. Individuals themselves vary tremendously in behaviour (and > appearance, in some cases), and extremely susceptible to situational > modifiers. So something like MB or any other type theory strikes me as an > attempt to impose an artificial classification system on something that > cannot be so easily classified. Sure, most people can be categorised to an > extent, and their behaviour can be inferred from that - to an extent. But > ultimately any type theory can only indicate probabilities, which cannot be > treated as certainties. Ah. Oh, I see. We're looking at different things. I'm not interested nearly as much in predicting behaviours as I am in understanding motivations - what makes people do what they do, think as they do. I've found it enhances communication, reduces my own frustration, and makes people easier to manage (or manipulate, if you insist) when necessary. It also enhances my enjoyment of B7, which is actually reason enough ;-) > (As it happens, I fit quite closely on a lot of the > major points, which has done my general sense of paranoia no end of good.) Join me in the comfort of this certitude: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not all out to get you. Series D. Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:55:12 +0930 From: "Minnie" To: "Alison Page" , Subject: Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. Message-ID: <007f01c01335$bfa48ac0$65ae3acb@marina> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >steve and Alison said - > >>I've often thought that Pileggi's fairly solidly built, >>under that starched white shirt. > >Funny, I've often thought that too :-) > Much to my droolness, in tunguska he is briefly shirtless. mmmmmmmmm Muscles. :) Min.xxx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:26:47 +0100 From: "David A McIntee" To: Subject: [B7L] Fw: Deceptions Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: John Ainsworth > Dear Friends, Colleagues and Acquaintances, > > Please forgive this 'round robin' e-mail but I just wanted to tell you all > that 'Deceptions', starring Jacqueline Pearce and directed by me will be > playing at The Marlborough Theatre from 26th September through to 14th > October. To find out more about it take a look at the web site > http://www.silverstage.co.uk. > > I do hope that you will be able to come along and see what you think of my > directorial debut. > > Please feel free to forward on this e-mail to anyone you think may find it > of interest. > > All the best, > > John Ainsworth > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:40:24 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] In Praise of Dark and Dysfunctional ... Message-ID: <39AE5237.4C7178B@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julia Jones wrote: > There is a reason > the UK court oath, and those descended from it, has the phrase "the > truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth". Of course, they do tend to get upset with witnesses who indeed attempt to tell the _whole_ truth; they tend to be admonished to 'answer yes or no'. Can you imagine what sort of testimony you might get from Orac under the court oath? Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:10:55 -0600 From: Betty Ragan To: B7 Lyst Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc Message-ID: <39AE838F.3D0BCFFF@sdc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > I've just finished reading a book on the FBI's Investigative Support Unit > (previously the Behavioral Science Unit), and the guys who 'profile' serial > killers and rapists. Their profiles are usually very close, even down to > the colour of the offender's car, but the profiles do not in themselves > point a finger at individuals. In fact, catching serials is difficult > because many, many people fit the generic profile without ever comitting a > single serious crime. (As it happens, I fit quite closely on a lot of the > major points, which has done my general sense of paranoia no end of good.) For those who wish to know if they, like Neil, fit the serial killer profile, I found this website through one of those "visit a random website" tools in a moment of extreme boredom: http://www.editionnine.deathrowbook.com/noflash/nf_sertest.htm. You'll all be pleased to know that it told me I wasn't a threat to society. :) ObB7: I just made up some answers for Avon (yeah, half of them were sheer guesswork) and got the following result: "We're not going to label you borderline, but the Death Row staff would sleep better at night knowing the word "psychotherapy" is part of your vocabulary." Sounds about right to me... :) -- Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ "Imposing Latin rules on English structure is a little like trying to play baseball in ice skates." -- Bill Bryson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:34:29 +0100 (BST) From: Iain Coleman To: B7 Lyst Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Betty Ragan wrote: > > ObB7: I just made up some answers for Avon (yeah, half of them were > sheer guesswork) and got the following result: "We're not going to label > you borderline, but the Death Row staff would sleep better at night > knowing the word "psychotherapy" is part of your vocabulary." Sounds > about right to me... :) Oddly, that's the same score I got. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:50:38 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] In Praise of Dark and Dysfunctional ... Message-ID: In message <39ADA0FA.F1FF6A94@sdc.org>, Betty Ragan writes >> And since we're having a Myers-Briggs discussion again - INTx types >> frequently don't define this behaviour as lying. Deception, yes - but >> lying is a particular sub-set of deception, being the deliberate telling >> of that which you believe to be an untrue statement. > >[blink] You mean, other types *don't* see it that way? (Hey, the >*other* advantage to that method is that you can later point out that >you *didn't* lie... :)) Some don't, a fact I learnt to take into consideration fairly early on. Or, if I wanted to be really bitchy, some don't see their own deceptions based on playing word games with the truth as lying, but do see other's deceptions as such... As has already been mentioned, it's much less work if you avoid lying and stick to telling the truth creatively. IMHO. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:40:59 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Dorset group Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII General SF and B7 gathering Sat 2 September at 28 Diprose Rd, Corfe Mullen (near Wimborne and Poole). All welcome. We generally start around 2pm, but anyone wanting to watch videos for a while can arrive any time after 12. Drop me an e-mail if you'd like to come. All welcome. Judith PS. This is going to be a 'lego' session. Loads of lego to play with, make spaceships with and generally have an excuse to be childish with if so desired. Trivial prize for best/most amusing models. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:34:46 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] In Praise of Dark and Dysfunctional ... Message-ID: In message <39AE5237.4C7178B@ptinet.net>, mistral@ptinet.net writes >Can you imagine what sort of testimony you >might get from Orac under the court oath? I am quite certain that Orac would find a way to mislead while obeying the letter of the oath. Possibly by simply wittering on until forcibly restrained, thus ensuring that nobody noticed the *important* part of the testimony. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:09:22 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Neil wrote: <(As it happens, I fit quite closely on a lot of the major points, which has done my general sense of paranoia no end of good.)> do tell us. How do Our Heroes fit? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:36:56 -0600 From: Penny Dreadful To: B7 Lyst Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc Message-Id: <4.1.20000831142507.009dee70@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:10 AM 8/31/00 -0600, Betty Ragan wrote: >ObB7: I just made up some answers for Avon (yeah, half of them were >sheer guesswork) and got the following result: "We're not going to label >you borderline, but the Death Row staff would sleep better at night >knowing the word "psychotherapy" is part of your vocabulary." Sounds >about right to me... :) Haha, nyah nyah, Avon is loopier than Travis, who got: "Not to worry -- you're not a threat to society. Although a few quirks in your personality may present some challenges in life, those same idiosyncrasies may very well explain the reason your name continues to appear on "A" party lists." Mind you I may have taken liberties interpreting some of the questions... "Do you tend to enjoy yourself more when you're with others?" Yes (assuming the others are the Liberator crew and I'm shooting at them) "Do you now or typically have a significant other in your life?" Yes (Blake) Etc. etc. -- For A Dread Time, Call Penny: http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:30:04 +0100 From: aDziE@hodsonfamily.worldonline.co.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Horizon: The B7 Appreciation Society Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can somebody tell me what is the current situation regarding Horizon? I have been a member for several years and would like to know whether the club has folded or are we likely to receive issue 40 of the newsletter in the near future? I have always been impressed with the professional approach of the society and the quality of the newsletter speaks for itself, for those who have seen one.=20 Over the past months I have read some disturbing comments on this mailing list between members of the comittee and subscription payers and wondered whether it is now time for the current committee to resign in favour of a new one. I have emailed several members of the committee with ideas and material for use in a newsletter (material such as that available on my web-site at http://members.tripod.co.uk/aDziE) and whilst I get an encouraging response, I have not heard anything since. Nor does the Horizon web-site appear to be updated very often and there is certainly no mention of the next newsletter. Has the club died a death, will I get a refund for those newsletters I will not receive or hopefully, can the club be saved? Regards, Adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:05:59 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: B7 Lyst Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000831230144.00a78dc0@pop3.wish.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 22:36 31-8-00, Penny Dreadful wrote: >Haha, nyah nyah, Avon is loopier than Travis Was there ever any doubt? Especially fourth season Avon. BTW, I got: Not to upset your day -- but we're concerned. It might just be sheer coincidence or simply one of life's naughty little pranks that has placed you in the same profile category as Ted Bundy, Albert DeSalvo and Jeffrey Dahlmer. Heck, what do we know? However, we do recommend that if you are currently employed by the U.S. Postal Service, it may be the perfect time to consider a career change? And this despite the handicap of being female, which cost me a whole point. No fair, equal rights means that we can be just as psychotic as men. I think I need to have serious words with this chappie about that. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:36:33 +0100 From: aDziE@hodsonfamily.worldonline.co.uk To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] ORAC in Birmingham, U.K? Message-ID: <9M2uOZWgtIk8Dj9dbup5eUEd=Bdd@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, Did anyone attend the Family Festival 2000 held at the University of Birmingham, U.K, on the 20th August? The theme was space and they had a number of Star Wars and Dr. Who exhibits PLUS, what appeared to be the real ORAC! It certainly seemed to be the real thing, with the correct flashing lights and sound effects. Could it have been the original BBC prop? I have taken one or two photos's which I will publish on my Blake's 7 web-site once I get them developed, but no one there could tell me whether it was the genuine article or not. Does anyone else have more information? It certainly made the day for me! Cheers and best wishes, Adam http://members.tripod.co.uk/aDziE/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:23:11 +0100 From: "Andy Hopkinson" To: "Lysator" , Subject: RE: [B7L] ORAC in Birmingham, U.K? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam said: >Did anyone attend the Family Festival 2000 held at the University of >Birmingham, U.K, on the 20th August? >The theme was space and they had a number of Star Wars and Dr. Who >exhibits PLUS, what appeared to be the real ORAC! >It certainly seemed to be the real thing, with the correct flashing >lights and sound effects. >Could it have been the original BBC prop? >I have taken one or two photos's which I will publish on my Blake's 7 >web-site once I get them developed, but no one there could tell me >whether it was the genuine article or not. >Does anyone else have more information? >It certainly made the day for me! I doubt that this is the original Adam... The original Orac has never worked for years, and when it did, it never made the Orac "bee buzz". It did make the click, as this was a relay switch for the red lights around the centre ball. I'm afraid the original is in a bit of a state and needs some attention after being pushed into a dark corner for years at the old storage facilities at BBC Elstree studios (it was used to hold open a door!). It's now been moved from there... and is in a much safer place, but still needs to restored. Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:06:02 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Oh dear. Sorry, Penny. I'll try that again. >From: Penny Dreadful >Haha, nyah nyah, Avon is loopier than Travis, who got: > >"Not to worry -- you're not a threat to society. Although a few quirks in >your personality may present some challenges in life Oh dear. Penny has put Travis II in the same category as me. Reassure me, someone! Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:53:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "rita d'orac" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] ORAC in Birmingham, U.K? Message-ID: <385600946.967769601503.JavaMail.root@web302-mc.mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam said: (snip) >Did anyone attend the Family Festival 2000 held at the University of >Birmingham, U.K, on the 20th August? >Could it have been the original BBC prop? and Andy said: (more snipping) <> I have a pic of Orac taken not so long ago on my web site...looks very sad indeed! http://www.vilaworld.com/creator.html (last pic is orac) Rita ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #246 **************************************