From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #195 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/195 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 195 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention Re: [B7L] Ansible mention Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette Re: [B7L] Ansible mention [B7L] Gambit fight [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Re: [B7L] Stock equalization Re: [B7L]After the revolution (was 'Blake' and beyond) Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette [B7L] Stock equalization Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock [B7L] Judith proctor's website Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock [B7L] Re: Pressure Point out of stock [B7L] Re: Judith Proctor's website Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:39:52 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention Message-ID: <012301bfe947$0bc6f000$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Predatrix > Cheers, (...wondering if Chris Blenkarn has done _I've Got A Little > List_ yet...) Pred'x She has, and you can find it at http://www.hermit.org/blakes7/Filk/GotList.html Strangely enough, if you click on at the top of the page, you get another Little List by ... erm ... well, me. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:53:32 EST From: "Jessica Taylor" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention Message-ID: <20000709035332.69741.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: predatrix@ntlworld.com (Predatrix) >To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se >Subject: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention >Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 21:47:43 GMT > >Cheers, (...wondering if Chris Blenkarn has done _I've Got A Little >List_ yet...) Pred'x > Yeah, I'm prtty sure there's one in the filk section on Judith Proctors site, if you get time check out Neil (Faulkners) version as well, it really is hilarious. Jessica ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:59:42 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <001c01bfe97b$a59f6840$7aed72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ika wrote: >I rather like the way there's not much effort to find Blake or fight the Federation in S3 - it makes a nice balance between the crusade of S1-2 and the Avon-slowly-going-mad-because-he's-internalized-Blake of S4, and in many ways makes the absence of Blake more marked: they just don't know what to do with themselves< A very good observation. I never thought of looking at S3 that way but it makes sense. Also, after fighting the Andromedans - and nearly losing the Liberator - they may well suffer from battle fatique, making even the dedicated revolutionay Cally long for a rest. Although I would have expected Avon and Vila to want to rob a few banks (teleporting right into the vault where the safes are), just to keep in form, you know. :-) >... But it does seem in character for Jenna to insist. Though maybe if she *did* come out from Blake's shadow she would realize she doesn't need him to do her dreaming for her (this is my personal canon btw) and can beat the Federation all on her own.< From Vila's praise in The Way Back we get the impression that she's a very successful smuggler. In that light it seems strange that she was prepared to let Blake take command. But maybe in her smuggling days she had a partner who did the thinking. :-) > (I think Sally Knyvette once said that if they'd given control of the Liberator to Jenna and Cally they'd have got to Servalan and won the war within a week...)< They all could have done that but it would have ended the Series prematurely. Like Neil said about the search for Blake getting predictable, Servalan could not be killed because she had to be in the next episode. But it would have been fun to see Jenna and Cally plot a raid against Servalan while Avon and Vila are too busy with their crime schemes to notice what the ladies are up to until it is too late. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 01:28:13 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Message-ID: <3968379C.1A0B71D9@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > Well, the subject header says it all, really. I no longer have any copies > of Pressure Point to sell, so if you were thinking of ordering one, I'm > afraid you're too late. I have no plans to do another print run. > > Can I just thank everyone on this list who bought a copy (and hopefully > enjoyed it), and of course a big thank you to Judith P for handling overseas > sales on my behalf. And thanks to you for editing/publishing Pressure Point and Stadler Link. I haven't had time to do more than flip through my copies since they arrived but just a quick look through left me impressed with the editing. When the lyst was discussing 'what we look for in fanfic', I didn't take time to join in, because most of my wish list was covered by others (ftr: recognizable characters properly voiced and a logical, well-told tale; OCs should be at least 2-D), but top of my list is good editing and proof-reading. It doesn't matter how good the story if I'm constantly being reminded by poor grammar, spelling, and punctuation or a distracting layout that it's only words on a page. The medium should be transparent, so that the message can come through. Many of the zines in my collection really fall down in this area, but Pressure Point and Stadler Link make the grade, with enough white space, a plain, legible typeface, a simple but attractive layout, and a much better than average job of copy-editing and proof-reading. Plus, even my can't-tell-a-cliché-at-three-paces eye can see that some of the stories are fresh and imaginative. I'm looking forward to finding a long, quiet evening or two for reading them. It's too bad for future fans that there won't be another print run; but I hope, Neil, that you're planning to do more zines? If so, I'll certainly queue up to buy. (Hedgehog Press? Gives a bit of a new spin to the term quill pen, doesn't it? ) Keep up the good work, please. Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:09:32 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <001b01bfe99c$bac36200$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marian de Haan >Ika wrote: > > (I think Sally Knyvette once said that if they'd given control of the > Liberator to Jenna and Cally they'd have got to Servalan and won the war > within a week...)< > > They all could have done that but it would have ended the Series > prematurely. Like Neil said about the search for Blake getting predictable, > Servalan could not be killed because she had to be in the next episode. More to the point, as Gareth Thomas pointed out on one of the excellent Together Again tapes ("I've got the se-et! I've got the se-et! Yah boo suks and whizz for attoms"), either the motley little band of rebels were going to win, or the Federation were going to win. And if you look at it realistically, it was no contest, despite whatever Sally Knyvette might say. As if getting rid of Servalan would have made any real difference anyway. The Federation wasn't any one person, it was an invisible structure permeating society from the top down. It would take a mass revolt to tear it down and erect something new in its place, and half a dozen renegades on a super whizzo alien spaceship simply can't do that, no matter how super and whizzo the spaceship happens to be. > But > it would have been fun to see Jenna and Cally plot a raid against Servalan > while Avon and Vila are too busy with their crime schemes to notice what the > ladies are up to until it is too late. It would certainly have been nice to see the women taking a more active role in the formulation of strategy, suggesting possible targets, drawing up attack plans etc, or even just being consulted now and again. Though in the first two seasons that was strictly Blake's province anyway. He was the one calling just about all the shots, so it would be erroneous to talk about any kind of gender divide on that count. It is true, though, that three of the four male characters had more than their fair share of action and dialogue. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:24:33 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Message-ID: <001c01bfe99c$bbae5e40$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: When the lyst was discussing 'what we look for in fanfic', I didn't take time to join in, because most of my wish list was covered by others (ftr: recognizable characters properly voiced and a logical, well-told tale; OCs should be at least 2-D), but top of my list is good editing and proof-reading. Many of the zines in my collection really fall down in this area, but Pressure Point and Stadler Link make the grade> You mean by having a glaring typo in the second paragraph of the first page of the very first story? For 'hits' read 'huts'. Oh, I halve a spelling checquer... I was certainly planning to, but I've had second thoughts. Much as I enjoy the designing and layouting stuff, I loathe the hassle of running off to the printers and mailing the zines out. Simply procuring the stamps can be a problem sometimes. And I hate taking money off people, no matter how willing they are to part with it. On top of that, I'm no longer writing any fanfic myself, and since Pressure Point came out last autumn I've had *one* submission for any future zine and a very short one at that. So unless I suddenly get inundated with brain-frazzling stories, there will be no more Hedgehog zines. Then again ... I really am in two minds over the whole business. There will *probably* be no more Hedgehog zines. But not through any negative comment on the first two, because I honestly haven't had any. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:20:00 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Message-ID: <39685FE0.5268A844@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > Pressure Point and Stadler Link make the grade> > > You mean by having a glaring typo in the second paragraph of the first page > of the very first story? For 'hits' read 'huts'. Oh, I halve a spelling > checquer... What's the matter Neil, can't take a compliment gracefully? I didn't say it was perfect, I said it was much better than the average (of what I've seen). If you really want me to nitpick, I've found two misplaced double quotes and a missing space. Those are tiny little hiccups compared to some zines where I've had to go back and read the sentence four times and still can't make out what the author meant for the character to be saying since the sentences are so ungrammatical. > but I hope, Neil, that you're planning to do more zines?> > > I was certainly planning to, but I've had second thoughts. Much as I enjoy > the designing and layouting stuff, I loathe the hassle of running off to > the printers and mailing the zines out. Simply procuring the stamps can be > a problem sometimes. Hm. I think Kathryn has a solution to this; something about PDF files and Linda Knights? > And I hate taking money off people, no matter how > willing they are to part with it. Give the people what they want, comrade. > On top of that, I'm no longer writing any fanfic myself, That's the second time you've said that. I won't pry into your reasons, but it's fandom's loss. > and since Pressure > Point came out last autumn I've had *one* submission for any future zine and > a very short one at that. So unless I suddenly get inundated with > brain-frazzling stories, there will be no more Hedgehog zines. You heard Neil, folks. Please help frazzle his brain with a few stories. Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:35:13 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <39686371.581600@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > It would certainly have been nice to see the women taking a more active role > in the formulation of strategy, suggesting possible targets, drawing up > attack plans etc, or even just being consulted now and again. Though in the > first two seasons that was strictly Blake's province anyway. Though I did like Cally's coming up with the plan in Weapon. She was certainly the most appropriate one besides Blake for coming up with a plan on her own, though I suppose Avon or Orac could have done so if Blake had asked. Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:21:32 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane To: "Neil Faulkner" cc: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention Message-Id: <200007080921.KAA24987@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > If that's 'Dave' as in 'Langford' then he's allowed to get away with it. He > can savage some of my favourite books and have me laughing in gratitude. > > Neil (remembering Langford's assault on Stephen Donaldson when he was book > reviewer for White Dwarf) Ah, yes. The closing section of award two, from Langford's talk given at the first British SF Convention, and quoted from The Silence Of The Langford: "[Donaldson] has the knack of defusing his big scenes--distracting your attention by sandbagging you with his dictionary, so that rather than being held enthralled the sensitive, cultured reader is apt to remark, 'What the fuck's he on about?' "(This was the sentiment inspiring a favorite Ansible colophon, which went, inter alia: "Ansible 32 is argute with analystic refulgence and beneficent manseutude; it makes it preterite way to you, hurled like a jerid from the gaunt, compulsory visage of Dave Langford [....] "For his achievement Mr Donaldson receives a Collins Pocket Gem Dictionary, on the strict understanding that he gets rid of the one he's using now." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 05:04:40 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: [B7L] Gambit fight Message-ID: <39686A57.35D635D7@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As to SK and JC over-acting in their fight scene, when was the last time you saw a real catfight that wasn't a little over-the-top? But what *really* bothers me is when the scene cuts to Blake in the back room, and the sound of the fight is looped--glaringly. What genius came up with the money- and labour-saving idea of looping four seconds of tape three times instead of recording twelve? I cringe every time I hear it. Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 09:24:10 PDT From: "Hellen Paskaleva" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Message-ID: <20000709162410.24917.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Neil: >I no longer have any copies >of Pressure Point to sell... I just re-read these days my copy and thought when to expect the next one... Hellen ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun Jul 9 17:25:21 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Stock equalization Message-Id: <200007091630.RAA00898@smtp.uk2net.com> Sarah T: > Fiona, in addition to Dayna and her father, and the two warlords, there is > also an anonymous black individual in "Traitor," presumably thrown in just > to prove Avon corect in his statement that Dayna would not be conspicuous on > Helotrix because the Stock Equalization Act was in force at the time it was > settled. I assume that bit must have been put in because the BBC had been > getting awkward questions as to why there were no black people besides the > Mellanbys themselves in Series 3. I've always been bothered by that bit. The question of why the Mellanbys appear to be the only black people in the galaxy is fairly easily answered ("that's the BBC in the 70's for you"), and I think they'd have done better to leave out an explicit reference to Dayna's race (am I right in thinking this is the *only* time her difference from the practically-all-white cast is mentioned) altogether, because even though the Stock Equalization Act seems to be out of date by S4, Dayna's question suggests that race/skin colour is still seen as a significant marker in the B7 future, and we know that laws were passed about it - but we don't know anything else about it. Isn't "Stock Equalization" a horrible phrase, btw? Is this a hint of the Federation as eugenicists (or however you spell it, sorry)? > > Even so, the African contingent in B7 is doing better than the East Asian > contingent, which is represented only by that single rather unpleasant > individual in "Children"-- Glinka, I think his name is. Ginka, I believe, and I have a bit of a soft spot for him :) (a proto-Servalan, but too eager to please...) Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Sun Jul 9 17:34:07 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]After the revolution (was 'Blake' and beyond) Message-Id: <200007091639.RAA01020@smtp.uk2net.com> > Ika wrote: > > >of course after the revolution the > > > proletariat will decide and a whole new cultural/ideological milieu > >which > >we > > > cannot yet imagine will be ushered in, > > Dana responded: > >BUt it will be ushered in by people who had significant exposure to > >bourgeois consumer culture, so it will be heavily influenced by then- > >prevailing conditions. > Jessica went on: > I think Lenins idea for after the Russian revolution was that actually > setting up the communist state would be the job of the youth leagues who > would grow up in a society that rejected capitalism. > > "In many respects the first half of the work has been done. The old order > has been destroyed, as it deserved to be, it has been transformed into a > heap of ruins, as it deserved to be. The ground hes been cleared and on this > ground the young communist generation must build a communist society." > V.I Lenin, October 2, 1920 > > I'd say that the same would be true for the Federation. The ones who grew up > in the "bourgeois consumer culture" (Dana) would, in their lifetime destroy > what was left of the old system of government, doing stuff like adjusting > education and health so they are available to everyone and then > progressively the system would change over time. > Just MHO though. That would be ideal, and (to take the Avon position for a moment) therefore probably wouldn't work - a tutor of mine once said that the reason Lenin's purges failed is that he thought bourgeois consumer culture (B.C.C.) was located in the heads of the bourgeois consumers and therefore by cutting those heads off (so to speak) you would get rid of the culture. But it ain't as easy as that, as Dana points out: the Next Generation model works a lot better, but I'm not sure how well, since the Next Generation still had to be brought up/trained by the Last Generation and their bourgeois consumer brains etc. I'm using "the Revolution" in a sort of unrealizably absolute way - a complete rupture with the systems (cultural, political, etc) of the past. Jessica's "progress" model is a lot more realistic, but I think perhaps almost as unattainable. Though of course in the case of the Federation there's a lot of incoherence already built into the system - pre-Pylene-50 at least, (I'm thinking of Horizon in particular, thanks to whoever pointed me to that ep) planets seem to have a degree of connection to a culture of their own outside the Federation- inflicted B.C.C. So alternative models might be more readily available *because* of the wide extent of Federation rule and the fact that it seems to be an empire. The speed of travel might also mean that people are more able to break down tyrannical systems because there are so many different models around - and they do seem to be different, not just tourist resorts within global capitalism (though this comes through in "Gold" on the cruise ship, it's generated by drugs and computers and there's an accessible "real galaxy" the tourists are being prevented from seeing.) I'm going before I disappear up my own [navel]. Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Sun Jul 9 17:47:25 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Message-Id: <200007091652.RAA01181@smtp.uk2net.com> Sally: > Mind you (taking this a little further) suppose it *had* been Jan Chappell > who deicded to leave instead of Sally Knyvette. Given that, they wouldn't > have needed a *new* hot-shot pilot, but assuming that the makes still wanted > Steven Pacey ... a gunfighter might have been useful addition, no? So > instead of Del, we get *Deeta* (whom I like a *lot*, but would hate to have > to put up with that name and that hairdo on a weekly basis.) Somehow, I > think both Avon and Vila would have taken to the older brother rather better > than the younger (I do think Avon might almost have liked him) and the crew > dynamics - Jenna, Avon, Vila, Dayna and Deeta - *would* have been quite > interesting. > I love this idea (I prefer Deeta to Del anyway). Just wanted to say that. I'm going to go away and think about it, probably in the bath. Wouldn't Deeta and Avon be a bit too similar though? (Not so much as people, more as character types - strong, silent, dry wit, not much emotion, etc.) Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:58:48 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Message-ID: <20.8603c5e.269a0948@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mistral wrote > Many of the zines in my collection really fall down in this area, but > Pressure Point and Stadler Link make the grade, with enough white > space, a plain, legible typeface, a simple but attractive layout, and > a much better than average job of copy-editing and proof-reading. > Plus, even my can't-tell-a-cliché-at-three-paces eye can see that > some of the stories are fresh and imaginative. I'm looking forward > to finding a long, quiet evening or two for reading them. > I've read mine and echo Mistral's comments. The quality in both zines is consistently high, from layout to editing to well-written and interesting stories. I'm lobbying Neil to do another zine. Una, do us a favor, and convince him for us Morrigan (aka Trish) "I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. " ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:50:29 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Message-ID: <20000709225029.A10506@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:20:00AM -0700, mistral@ptinet.net wrote: > > Neil Faulkner wrote: > > > > but I hope, Neil, that you're planning to do more zines?> > > > > I was certainly planning to, but I've had second thoughts. Much as I enjoy > > the designing and layouting stuff, I loathe the hassle of running off to > > the printers and mailing the zines out. Simply procuring the stamps can be > > a problem sometimes. > > Hm. I think Kathryn has a solution to this; something about PDF > files and Linda Knights? Yes, but that's only a solution for the US folks. I really relate to Neil on this. I like doing the editing, layout and design, but I really find printing and selling a chore. I've still got 5 copies of Refractions #3 left, and 7 copies of #4. Not to mention however many of #5 and #6. Does anybody want them? It seems not. (grumble, grizzle, sigh) Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Of course, if this stuff does blow up planets by mistake, we're going to need to be a bit careful. I mean, do we need money that badly? I ask myself." -- Vila Restal (Blake's 7: Games [D8]) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://www.foobox.net/~kat \_.--.*/ | http://jove.prohosting.com/~rubykat v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:14:03 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil wrote in response to Ika Either the motley little band of rebels were going > to win, or the Federation were going to win. And if you look at it > realistically, it was no contest, despite whatever Sally Knyvette might say. It would take a mass revolt to tear > it down and erect something new in its place, and half a dozen renegades on > a super whizzo alien spaceship simply can't do that, no matter how super and > whizzo the spaceship happens to be. Right, but as the super whizzo spaceship bounced around the galaxy destroying Federation bases, it consumed Federation resources that might have been spent expanding and oppressing more people. News of the Federation's inability to catch said spaceship contributes to a lack of confidence in the existing government, thus encouraging Outer World revolts and the leaders of independent planets to remain so. As the Federation is not a democracy, it's not as if the drugged populace is going to have the opportunity to do much about a lack of confidence in the government, but the power-players behind the scenes may be forced to act, replacing key leaders with others. If the Resistance ever got their act together, they might have worked to destabilize the government and ally with the lesser of the evils within the Federation, allowing those folk to seize power and moving towards a less oppressive state. Until the next Servalan came along, anyway. Anyway, that's my justification for why they raced about blowing up things and destroying computers without any sense. I think I put more thought into it than Blake ever did . Morrigan (aka Trish) "I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. " ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:17:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "rita d'orac" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Stock equalization Message-ID: <381658998.963163038262.JavaMail.root@web302-mc.mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------Original Message------ From: To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Sent: July 9, 2000 4:31:14 PM GMT Subject: Re: [B7L] Stock equalization Ika wrote: >The question of why the Mellanbys appear to be the only black >people in the galaxy is fairly easily answered ("that's the BBC >in the 70's for you"), and I think they'd have done better to >leave out an explicit reference to Dayna's race (am I right in >thinking this is the *only* time her difference from the >practically-all-white cast is mentioned) It's brought up again in Power, when Pella says "The black woman must win" - even though she was the only woman fighting, they still felt it necessary to refer to her colour? rita d'orac "If you think of this mouse as a space captain..." http://www.vilaworld.com ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:29:17 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathryn, > > I've still got 5 copies of Refractions #3 left, and 7 copies of #4. > Not to mention however many of #5 and #6. > Does anybody want them? It seems not. (grumble, grizzle, sigh) I might want them. One of the things that gets overlooked is newbies coming into the world of fandom. Having jumped into B7 in February, I have been avidly acquiring fanzines but don't know very much about which zines to go after. To assist, I've been using Judith's list of zines, some of which have reviews, but I don't see Refractions on the list of B7 gen or adult/slash. I'd happily buy some more zines (come on, twist my arm) if you'd give me just a clue about them. BTW, I like both gen and adult/slash. So far my favorites have been Neil's two zines, Star One through Three, Forbidden Star One & Two, the Susan Lovett stories, the Lillian Shepherd/EPS stories, Julia's zines, and I'm sure I'm leaving something out (ah yes, Nova and Predatrix) Morrigan (aka Trish) "I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. " ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:10:02 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <005f01bfe9d0$efdef920$b7ee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morrigan (aka Trish) wrote: >Anyway, that's my justification for why they raced about blowing up things and destroying computers without any sense. I think I put more thought into it than Blake ever did . < Or the writers. :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:59:16 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <007201bfe9df$973e8920$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: > Anyway, that's my justification for why they raced about blowing up things > and destroying computers without any sense. I think I put more thought into > it than Blake ever did . Pas du tout, mon amie, I think your outline strategy was pretty much what Blake was trying to do. Not to destroy the Federation himself, but to create - or at least encourage - the conditions under which the oppressed masses could throw off their chains. Assuming they wanted to throw them off in the first place. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:53:44 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Message-ID: <007301bfe9df$9818bc80$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mistral: > > On top of that, I'm no longer writing any fanfic myself, > > That's the second time you've said that. I won't pry into your > reasons, but it's fandom's loss. Nothing mysterious, I'm afraid, I simply don't have the time. Virtually all of my fiction was written whilst I was an unemployed welfare scrounger, or at the most working part-time. I tend to need 3-4 hours warm-up time before I can even start writing, and these days I'm lucky to get even that. Regular 12-15 hour stints at the keyboard are out of the question, and it could take me that long to produce just one paragraph. I am not a fast writer. The fact that I haven't watched an episode in something like four years doesn't help either. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 16:00:02 EDT From: JEB31538@cs.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Judith proctor's website Message-ID: <9d.7e04293.269a33c2@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just meandering around over at Judith Proctor's website, seeing what new merchandise was available--if any. http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 I'm waiting for the official announcement of the Blake model which is being made. And while I was there, I happened to notice how many visitors had been there. As of now, more people have visited the site than for the entire year of 1999. Congratulations, Judith. The site has had over 22,000 visits. I want to emphasize again that it is definitely in fandom's best interests to support the merchandise offered. Horizon sells SOME but not all of these, if you want to comparison price shop. http://www.jorizon.org.uk/ Blake's Back and Liberatored audio tapes---order now. They will not be in reprint long. These tapes are a MUST for every B7 fan. Zenith fanzine Let's support this venture so that there will be a Zenith 2. Avon and Blake model kits--order Avon now and pre-order Blake. Let Judith know what characters you want to be offered next. They will be done in order of how many people request which characters most. The Actor Speaks (Gareth Thomas) CD. IF you are a Gareth fan, order this. And order it now. I'd like this project to get a lot of support, and we GT fans have to do it ourselves since our numbers aren't that great. Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:10:18 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "b7" Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Message-ID: <0b5901bfe9ea$4b815750$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil wrote: > I was certainly planning to, but I've had second thoughts. Much as I enjoy > the designing and layouting stuff, I loathe the hassle of running off to > the printers and mailing the zines out. Simply procuring the stamps can be > a problem sometimes. And I hate taking money off people, no matter how > willing they are to part with it. Why not do a webzine then, Neil? That's just design and layout, and no printing, distribution or cost at all. Una ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:48:38 +0100 From: "Ebony" To: "Lysator" Subject: [B7L] Re: Pressure Point out of stock Message-ID: <008501bfe9ef$74df25a0$becf7dc2@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil said: > Then again ... I really am in two minds over the whole business. There will > *probably* be no more Hedgehog zines. But not through any negative comment > on the first two, because I honestly haven't had any. I vote for more hedgehog zines, even though I never got around to buying your second one.... Producing a third zine would give me a chance to redeem myself . Ebony ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:07:50 EDT From: JEB31538@cs.com To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Judith Proctor's website Message-ID: <74.f49f32.269a51b6@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Error correction: I got Horizon's webite wrong when I was talking about buying merchandise. I'm sure all you "old timers" noticed the error. It's supposed to be http://www.horizon.org.uk/ Judith Proctor's site is http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Be sure you order Blake's Back and Liberatored audio tapes ASAP--while the reprint run still lasts. These are tapes ALL B7 fans should have. Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:36:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" To: Jurgen van de Sanden , blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <20000709223650.15798.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jurgen van de Sanden wrote: > >I never saw any of those. Anything to do with the > fan > >club mentioned in my Programme Guide? > > Horizon has its own web site on www.horizon.org.uk, > where you can find more > info on the fan club. I can really recommend you to > become a member. > OK, that suddenly makes sense of a site I found when doing an AltaVista search on "Blake's 7." It's a parody of Horizon's! http://www.geocities.com/rooneia_vijensis/ Most of it seemed to be an in-joke, but the layout is just perfect, and the zine page is a real laugh-- anyone else seen it? Wendy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:37:50 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <7b.68e99d5.269a74de@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > http://www.geocities.com/rooneia_vijensis/ > > Most of it seemed to be an in-joke, but the layout is > just perfect, and the zine page is a real laugh-- > anyone else seen it? Parodies are always amusing and this one is no exception. However, if this opens up THAT subject again, I'm off to find a bolthole. Morrigan (aka Trish) "I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. " ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:13:21 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Message-ID: <20000710071321.C11724@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 01:29:17PM -0400, B7Morrigan@aol.com wrote: > Kathryn, > > > > I've still got 5 copies of Refractions #3 left, and 7 copies of #4. > > Not to mention however many of #5 and #6. > > Does anybody want them? It seems not. (grumble, grizzle, sigh) > > I might want them. One of the things that gets overlooked is newbies coming > into the world of fandom. Having jumped into B7 in February, I have been > avidly acquiring fanzines but don't know very much about which zines to go > after. To assist, I've been using Judith's list of zines, some of which have > reviews, but I don't see Refractions on the list of B7 gen or adult/slash. Probably because it isn't a pure B7 zine. It would be listed under "multimedia" or something like that. Gen. There usually is some B7 in it, but it isn't always the main feature. #4 is a special issue, a B5 novella. Check out the Refractions page for more info. Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I've got a bad feeling about this! -Luke Skywalker -Princess Leia -Han Solo & nearly everyone else from Star Wars series. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://www.foobox.net/~kat \_.--.*/ | http://jove.prohosting.com/~rubykat v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #195 **************************************