From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #118 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/118 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 118 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Breakdown" Re: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Re: [B7L] Federation Logo RE: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution [B7L] Dangerous Liaison for Jarriere Vargas [was Re: [B7L] Re: Avon and Ananias] Coser and snobbery [was RE: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution] [B7L] Backgrounds and Manners (was: On Dayna and Evolution) [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Re: [B7L] Dangerous Liaison for Jarriere Re: [B7L] Liberator's vaults re:carrying concealed Re: [B7L] Backgrounds and Manners (was: On Dayna and Evolution) [B7L] Names (was the incredible Gan) Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution Re: [B7L] 25mm Blakes 7 miniatures. Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution Fwd: RE: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:55:29 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: b7 Subject: Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Breakdown" Message-ID: In message <00a301bfad85$fcfda480$84e407c3@ariana>, Ariana writes >====== > >AVON: Blake, in the unlikely event that we survive this -- >BLAKE: Yes? >AVON: I'm finished. Staying with you requires a degree of stupidity > of which I no longer feel capable. >BLAKE: No, you're just being modest. > >====== I love this - it looks as if Avon's been saving up that exit line for weeks, and then Blake calmly squashes him without even thinking about it:-) >====== >RENOR: Oh, a sense of humour, too. I love girls with a sense of humour. >JENNA: Yes, I can see where that would be an advantage. > >====== At least Avon is bright enough to realise when he's been squashed by an expert:-) > >Nice to see Gareth Thomas in Randall and Hopkirk yesterday. He's grown old >and, um, rather large in the last twenty years. But it was a nice spooky >role and he's a damn fine actor. That's not large, that's cuddly. Although not in that role... He's very, very good as the landlord with something to hide. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:29:31 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Message-ID: <000001bfadc2$bad2c8a0$343d01d5@leanet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Okay, why is it only the female members of the crew, and Vila, get called by >their Christian names? Mind you, Vila is effeminate. Maybe it's some macho >"call me by my last name" schtick they're all coming out with. > >It just struck me this week, as, even in moments of great sadness, a crew >member is consoled by being called "Blake" or "Gan", etc. > Perhaps it is the name that each character is comfortable with, and that as un-PC as they are, boys public schools still exist. Blake, Avon Gan and Travis all attended. Vila did not, Cally could not, and Jenna went to Roedean. Gnog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:11:06 +0100 From: "David A McIntee" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Federation Logo Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > You mean the ST Federation *isn't* right-wing? > > Neil > No, it's a Stalinist dictatorship ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:36:12 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99FE9CAE2@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Okay, why is it only the female members of the crew, and > >Vila, get called by > >their Christian names? Mind you, Vila is effeminate. This has been bugging me since this was posted, so I'll just ask: exactly how was Vila effeminate? Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:58:28 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution Message-ID: <003c01bfadcc$6b8560a0$343d01d5@leanet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >But I cannot imagine how Scandinavians could ever have managed to >interbreed with Australians. >Please explain how a 6 foot blonde Swede could be similar to a 4 foot >dark aborigine. > >>You might as well divide people up by blood group, and then there would be >>four recognised human races: the A-oids, the B-oids, the O-oids and AB-oids. > This is all getting a little bit silly and off topic. I glad my other half (a trained genetic engineer) is not reading this. A couple of general gripes. I hope everybody realises that since plants use the same biochemical reactions as we humans, in all probability they share a large proportion of their genes with us. But I don't see much breeding. If we have any other biologists on the list perhaps they could inject some sanity. It has been recently reported that monkeys share over 90 % of their genes with humans. We should be careful to distinguish between Darwin's theory of evolution and the genetic theory of evolution popular today, and also rationalise that with the fact that, due to environmental factors, the average height is steadily increasing at a rate inconsistent with genetic mutation. Back to the point. The common (African) ancestry of Aboriginal Australians and Norse tribes is a widely held belief in the scientific community, and their capacity to interbreed in modern society is surely not in question. They are similar in that 99 % (I don't actually know how many 9's this runs to, probably lots) of their genetic material are common, and the fact that they are pheonotypically different only indicates the necessity for very small genetic differences. In that way they are *similar*. On the question of RACE. according to the Oxford Concise Science Dictionary (Oxford University Press, 1984, [with corrections 1987]) Race is defined as follows 1 (biology) A category used in the classification of organisms that consists of a group of individuals within a species that are geographically, ecologically, physiologically, OR chromosomally distinct from other members of the species. The term is often used in the same sense as subspecies. 2 (anthropology) A distinct human type possessing several characteristics that are genetically inherited. The major races are Mongoloid, Caucasian, Negroid, and Australoid. Having cleared that one up. Back to the legitimate topic of the list. I always thought that it was Federation policy to populate all worlds with stock of all earth races (& I interpreted that as to be in proportion to their population levels on Earth). That Dayna, isolated on a non Federation planet, did not know that causes me no concern. That the higher echelons of the military fail to reflect that policy also fails to be inconsistent in my mind. Whilst we are given no direct evidence, I take the existence of this equality policy as evidence that racism (2-anthropology) is a problem in the Federation. Gnog p.s. I apologise to any biologists / genetic engineers reading this who's knowledge of this subject matter clearly far exceeds mine. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:12:20 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Dangerous Liaison for Jarriere Message-ID: <200004242012_MC2-A268-BF4F@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was just rewatching the excellent Stephen Frears film of Dangerous Liaisons (accept no cheap imitations, even if they star Colin Firth) and suddenly thought there was something awfully familiar about the voice of Monsieur Armand, the peasant whose family Valmont (Malkovich) saves from ruin. So I had a look at the cast list at the end, and nearly fell off my chair when I saw "Armand... Harry Jones". Well, it may be a common name but, given Equity rules on names, it seems rather likely that Armand and Jarriere are one and the same. Damn, I knew I should have taped it. Now I'll have to wait for the next reshowing to catch that precious minute again. Meanwhile, Sally, watch out for it! Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:14:14 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Vargas [was Re: [B7L] Re: Avon and Ananias] Message-ID: <200004242014_MC2-A268-BF6A@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ellynne wrote: >I think the idea of an individual or group coming up > with the plague idea out of a desperate desire to >save the colony instead of just being power mad is >more interesting. And then, if the person who >started it saw it devolving into what it became and >wanted to stop it but feared the resulting chaos >and bloodshed would be even worse, that's interesting. This would be really nice. Has anyone ever written "Vargas - misunderstood idealist"? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:14:10 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Coser and snobbery [was RE: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution] Message-ID: <200004242014_MC2-A268-BF69@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jacqueline wrote: >The way Avon talked about Coser (not bad > for a beta grade), led me to suspect that he >himself must be a higher (alpha?) grade. After >all, he'd hardly sneer like that at his own grade. Actually, when does Avon say this? Although I belong to the school which thinks the grades aren't nearly as important as people think, I was about to sugges that, if he were Beta, one could interpret it as a sneer at the grading system. But when I decided to look at the script to see if there were any clues, I couldn't find Avon commenting on Coser. Blake says "Coser's only a Beta class weapons technician, so he's not important enough to have caused all this fuss." Later, Coser compliments himself : "Not bad, Coser, not bad. For a Beta grade, not bad", which is clearly a sneer at the system. But I couldn't find any relevant remarks by Avon - have I missed something by lazily omitting to sit through the screening? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:29:24 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Backgrounds and Manners (was: On Dayna and Evolution) Message-ID: <20000425002924.71766.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ariana wrote: I still think it was high-grade, but definitely *not* secure (That's the difference I see between Blake's and Avon's background.) Avon's selfishness and general coldness could indicate a rather barren upbringing rather than a deprived one. Whereas Vila's hedonistic get-all-the-goodies-you-can-now attitude (which can even override his natural caution - see Shadow, he's like a kid being left outside the candy store) might come from a materially deprived one. And after Ariana wrote: Neil replied: part of what makes B7 such a wonderful hobby…we continually have cases of people watching precisely the episodes and seeing two completely different bits of film. I would not use the word 'nasty' myself, but he's definitely (and probably deliberately) forgotten most of the things he was taught as a child about 'if you can't say anything nice...' But a lot of the general sarcasm and malicious wit is as natural as breathing, he doesn't even have to think about it - he's as casually cruel as a cat. Then there's the verbal sparring and mental games he plays with Blake and Vila (he *has* to think about them, but they hardly come under the heading of general 'nastiness' even when he's being breathtakingly rude). A couple of times he does get really savage (the icy blast at the beginning of Trial, for instance, and his argument with Cally in Children). It's lovely when he does take a liking to some outsider and is quite nice and polite (Vena in Headhunter, and Hal Mellanby - Dayna must have had a shock when this charming stranger suddenly turned into - err - Avon). ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:33:00 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Message-ID: <20000425003300.63694.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After I wrote: Ellynne queried: Yup, but Richard *did* ask, and being fascinated by names, I couldn't resist (and it's Charity Servalan, remember? Or was it Chastity I christened her? Oh well.) Soolin, of course, would have one of those nice, sensible, practical names like Bertha or Gertrude. Alternately Soolin *is* her first name and she's suppressed the *surname*... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:45:39 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Dangerous Liaison for Jarriere Message-ID: <20000425004539.67534.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Harriet wrote: Oooooohhhh....wonder if it's at the video shop so we can check. Absolutely, and thanks for the alert (anyone else see it?) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:41:45 EDT From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Liberator's vaults Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/19/00 1:11:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time, cgorman@idirect.com writes: Hi Steve - welcome! You wrote: > Maybe they would have problems turning the Gems into Federation credits? Interesting possibility. Could be -- may be even probable -- that the Feds don't allow trading in hard currencies within their own system, so that Liberator's crew would have to go through multiple trades to obtain official Federation credits. OTOH, it would probably be difficult to pay weapons dealers, informants, etc., with Federation credits, especially if they did business mostly outside the Federation. Nina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:40:17 +1000 From: "Roger the Shrubber" To: "blake's seven" Subject: re:carrying concealed Message-Id: <200004250504.PAA01217@vasquez.zip.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat wrote *** Here in the U.S. personal freedoms are being shot down like rebels at Gauda Prime. Individuals simply *must* start drawing a line and refuse to be tracked, monitored, tested, fingerprinted, implanted, satellite-scanned. Increasingly, citizens are treated as guilty until proven innocent *** In complex &/or highly populated societies, compromises must be made. On the one hand you have personal freedoms, liberties & privacy, on the other you have to consider the right of the general population to be protected from , for example, crime & other problems. Statements such as "guilty until proven innocent" are used as a sinister warning against "Big Brother", but only a naive person would think that this is a new concept. People have been "guilty until proven innocent" throughout history. In western society, it is becoming increasingly necessary to follow this doctrine in some situations. What would happen if I was pulled over by the police this afternoon & I refused to take a breath test ? I would be immediately considered guilty of being a drunk driver. I would IMMEDIATELY be forced to abandon my car. I would be fined. Even if I was more sober than the cop who booked me ! In the very near future, drivers will also be tested for a variety of other recreational drugs. If such a test is refused, you will be considered guilty IMMEDIATELY. Even if you have never taken drugs. But what is the alternative ? Protecting the individual's rights may mean the death or injury of other motorists if the individual was considered "innocent until proven guilty". And what if you are the victim of a crime, such as rape or robbery ? How would you like to hear the following from the investigating officer ..."Well, yes we now have a pretty good idea who did it, but we are not allowed to forcibly take fingerprints/DNA samples from the suspect, or bug his phone, or question him for more than an hour, in order to protect his rights, privacy & freedoms. Chances are, he's going to get away with it." The control of criminals & the sheer conveniences of modern living make greater scrutiny of the individual inevitable. However, I believe that, while some of our freedoms are being eroded, the sheer nature of Western society is that more freedoms are being opened up (via technology, the media, internet, communications) than are being eroded. The individual has never been so powerful. darren r Panic Disorder http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/index.html _________________ There are some things one must know about if one is to be educated. _________________ The aspiration to be number one and gain great fame is both natural in man and, properly trained, one of the soul's great strengths. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:38:14 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Backgrounds and Manners (was: On Dayna and Evolution) Message-ID: <20000424.230854.-76729.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:29:24 PDT "Sally Manton" writes: > Ariana wrote: > everyone to be > from a secure high-grade background, IMHO.> > > I still think it was high-grade, but definitely *not* secure (That's > the > difference I see between Blake's and Avon's background.) Sounds good to me. I also agree that Avon was an equal opportunity sneerer. > I would not use the word 'nasty' myself, but he's definitely (and > probably > deliberately) forgotten most of the things he was taught as a child > about > 'if you can't say anything nice...' Surely you jest. I think Avon got patted on the head every time he left some one in verbally sliced ribbons (all right, maybe it was just him giving himself a pat on the back. It still means one of the few people he thought highly of was reinforcing this behavior). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:30:22 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Names (was the incredible Gan) Message-ID: <20000424.230854.-76729.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:33:00 PDT "Sally Manton" writes: > > Yup, but Richard *did* ask, and being fascinated by names, I > couldn't resist Ah, yes, I know what you mean. > > Soolin, of course, would have one of those nice, sensible, practical > names > like Bertha or Gertrude. Alternately Soolin *is* her first name and > she's > suppressed the *surname*... My sources suggest Soolin could come from one of the Chinese dialects, meaning 'pale jade' I think. Since I went with the idea that her family had been massacred but the killers had decided to take the pretty blonde along with them, I assumed this was the nickname they gave her. Skipping over the undoubtably unpleasant details of her life with them, she eventually got them to think of her as one of them, enough that they started teaching her how to use the weapons (it probably started as almost a joke [although they still would have had to have some sense of trust or control towards her]). Given the fact that there was only one other person I can think of in the series who seemed to have a far eastern accent, one I'd guess came from growing up really speaking another language than what everybody else in B7 space speaks. Again, this makes interesting suggestions about B7 history if at least some people originally from that area still keep their own language (unlike everyone else) and seem to be socially marginalized (Soolin's mentor was some kind of outlaw killer, the other guy made specific reference to his lack of advancement being based on lack of connections with possible hints of ethnic discrimination). Then again, maybe it came from reading those Cordwainer Smith stories where the Chinese took over space (until they were overthrown by an odd assortment of characters including a telepathic bear [hmm, kom is Korean for bear, maybe it was Supreme Kom-Ander Servalan, ander from andro for man, Supreme Leader of the Bear-Human Federation, Blake and Gan being human-bear hybrids .... I'm losing it, aren't I? Then again, it puts a whole new spin on Avon's teddy bear and why he lost it in the first place ....). Oh, well. Back to the subject. I suppose, given the rather emotionally scarring events Soolin had been through, she didn't identify with the little girl she'd been before the massacre (or maybe she thought of her previous self as dead, like the rest of her family, survivor guilt, trauma, etc.) And people ask what's in a name. Just stray thoughts. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:08:49 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution Message-ID: <20000424.230854.-76729.2.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:58:28 +0100 "Andrew Ellis" writes: I > always thought that it was Federation policy to populate all worlds > with > stock of all earth races (& I interpreted that as to be in > proportion to > their population levels on Earth). Whereas I thought this was preFederation. Or, at least, preEvil Empire Federation. That Dayna, isolated on a non > Federation > planet, did not know that causes me no concern. Yes, but Avon didn't hesitate to introduce her as his wife when trying to con Federation soldiers. Since he was also trying to pass them off as Important People (and since the soldiers considered it possible) I think certain ethnic prejudices may have changed. At other times, she's passed as a favorite student of one of the Federation's most important scientists. Then there's the way she's never used sexiness to get what she wants from an opponent, unlike Jenna. Or Servalan. Or Anna. Or .... but back to the point. That the higher > echelons of > the military fail to reflect that policy also fails to be > inconsistent in my > mind. You've got me there. > Whilst we are given no direct evidence, I take the existence of this > equality policy as evidence that racism (2-anthropology) is a > problem in the > Federation. > Oh, I like to think racism is alive and kicking in the Federation. I just like to think it's found different victims. I guess I like to think of the Federation as being more of a different culture, in some ways (that fun house mirror effect, for one thing, just my idea of entertainment). I know I've said this before but I think the Federation had a hierarchy with humans on top of the species list, older settled planets on top of the colony list, Earth on top of the older settled planets list, Earth humans (dome dwellers only) on top of the humans list, Alphas on top the Earth humans list, and probably lots more subgroups than I have time for. Cally, as (from a Federation point of view, if not a biologically accurate reality) a very nonhuman from a world with no known Earth ties, can find her crewmates turning on her at odd moments. Jenna, who is high grade and implies she things of herself as an Earth person in Pressure Point but who (as a trader spending most of her life in space) may be considered lower on the caste hierarchy, is particularly sensitive about nonhumans, IMHO, perhaps making up for sensitivity about her own status there. Avon, who is always ready to make a sneering comments about humans, interestingly enough doesn't strike me as being as prejudiced as the others (you'd think it would be the other way around, with Avon having a little ethnic pyramid in his head with him on top and everyone else several bricks down). But that's all just IMHO. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:17:54 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: stickman1968@hotmail.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] 25mm Blakes 7 miniatures. Message-ID: <20000425091754.99309.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "Andy Spencer" wrote >Hi, > On a more optimistic note than my last post, Harlequin miniatures may >produce a series of 25mm Blakes 7 figures. >It seems it's up to us, the fans, to influence their decision. >Their address & telephone number is: HARLEQUIN MINIATURES LTD, UNIT S3, 632 >RADFORD ROAD, BASFORD, NOTTINGHAM, NG7 7EX. (0115 942 2265) > >If you would like to contact them via e-mail, or to see what a good job >they >are making of the Dr Who figures check out their web site at: > >www.harlequin-miniatures.com > I have to say - the Dr Who range is superb and the figures look good painted or unpainted. I'll be e-mailing Harlequin to voice my interest in a Blake's 7 range. >If we want to see a Blakes 7 range of figures, it's up to us. Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?" ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:54:34 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution Message-ID: <20000425175434.D3917@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 11:08:49PM -0600, Ellynne G. wrote: > > Avon, who is always ready to make a sneering comments about humans, > interestingly enough doesn't strike me as being as prejudiced as the > others (you'd think it would be the other way around, with Avon having a > little ethnic pyramid in his head with him on top and everyone else > several bricks down). Which simply shows that he hasn't bought in to that particular pyramid. I suspect Avon's personal pyramid is intelligence, (c'mon, he's an INTx!) which he respects or disrespects regardless of race, gender or species. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:38:08 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution Message-ID: <32.41c9ecf.2636dda0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne wrote: > Avon, who is always ready to make a sneering comments about humans, > interestingly enough doesn't strike me as being as prejudiced as the > others (you'd think it would be the other way around, with Avon having a > little ethnic pyramid in his head with him on top and everyone else > several bricks down). The following exchange suggested to me that Avon had brought up Cally's non-human status on occasion. Hence Cally's response in the following: AVON: Try a straight question. CALLY: You didn't trust me. You thought I had some obscure reaction to something on that ship, didn't you? You and I teleported so that you could watch me and see what I'd do. You cut Tarrant out because he had the same idea, but he'd made no secret of it. AVON: You're over-reacting. CALLY: Probably. But you wouldn't expect a normal human response, would you? I'm not quite human. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:27:35 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Fwd: RE: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Message-ID: <20000425142735.82571.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Jacqueline Thijsen wrote > > >Okay, why is it only the female members of the crew, and > > >Vila, get called by > > >their Christian names? Mind you, Vila is effeminate. > >This has been bugging me since this was posted, so I'll just ask: exactly >how was Vila effeminate? It's bugging me too Jacqueline - Vila isn't effeminate, (not that there's anything wrong with being effeminate) he's just not a macho moron. There *is* a mid-point between macho and effeminate that the vast majority of men inhabit. As I have said in a previous post, Vila has always struck me as being the most reall charcter simply because he does get frightened, he does admit to feeling pain, he reacts in a way that I imagine I would react if I were thrust into some of teh situations that he is. (No matter how much I might like to kid myself into believing that I would react with Avon's icy sardonic calm, I know I'd just get scared, as I suspect, would most people.) Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?" ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #118 **************************************