From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #113 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/113 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 113 Today's Topics: [B7L] Federation Logo Re: [B7L] Federation Logo Re: [B7L] Federation Logo [B7L] Gareth signing [B7L] Re: Horizon/Fan Clubs [B7L] Re: Cally/Avon and other Pairings [B7L] Re: Horizon [B7L] Re: B7 RPG Info [B7L] Re: Room at the Top [B7L] Federation Logo Re: [B7L] Federation Logo [B7L] Federation Logo [B7L] Carryinbg Concealed [B7L] Torture [B7L] First Impressions "Project Avalon" RE: [B7L] Federation Logo [B7L] Re: Legal Briefs (Now & Forever) Liberator's vaults [B7L] fanfic Re: [B7L] Re: Horizon/Fan Clubs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:20:05 EDT From: RCalla6725@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se) Subject: [B7L] Federation Logo Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/04/00 02:34:10 GMT Daylight Time, 101637.2064@compuserve.com writes: << I simplistically assumed it was "Blake's 7 running rings round the Federation". >> Sorry if this is the most boring and obvious observation I could possibly make that's been made 50,000 times before, but has anyone else noticed (I expect all of you, really) that the Federation logo is the same as that in Star Trek, except turned to the right? A right-wing version of the Federation. Sorry. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:34:50 EDT From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Federation Logo Message-ID: <74.2d93480.262e2efa@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 04/18/2000 4:27:15 PM Central Daylight Time, RCalla6725@aol.com writes: > Sorry if this is the most boring and obvious observation I could possibly > make that's been made 50,000 times before, but has anyone else noticed (I > expect all of you, really) that the Federation logo is the same as that in > Star Trek, except turned to the right? A right-wing version of the > Federation. I have a friend who is believes that B7's Federation is what Star Trek's Federation becomes after about four hundred years. Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:20:28 -0700 From: Nick Moffitt To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Federation Logo Message-ID: <20000418162028.J953@zork.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii begin Tigerm1019@aol.com quotation: > I have a friend who is believes that B7's Federation is what Star > Trek's Federation becomes after about four hundred years. Except that it was built 200 years before the story begins, and there are human settlements that are thousands of years old. -- CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks LinuxCabal.Org - Co-location facilities and meeting space Pigdog.Org - The Online Handbook for Bad People of the Future You are not entitled to your opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:14:48 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Gareth signing Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Gareth Thomas will be at Tenth Planet, 36 Vicarage Shopping Centre, Barking, Essex on Saturday 1st July 2000 to help promote MJTVs new CD 'The Actor Speaks' which is being released on that date. This will feature Gareth in a range of parts including a B7 parody where he's playing the Vibrator's computer; he'll also be talking about Blake's early life. The signing is also for the Soldiers of Love CD series (the series features several B7 cast members) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:19:37 -0700 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Horizon/Fan Clubs Message-ID: <38FD5E08.8F4BB8E8@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Horizon seems to be the best-known fan club/newsletter on the internet. Does anyone belong to the Paul Darrow Society? There seems to be a group called ORAC (in New Jersey, I think), but they're not B7 exclusive. Are there any good fan clubs out there, not necessarily on the internet as well? I feel like I should go look at Judith's site since she has a listing for just about everything B7-related. I haven't looked at sites in a while. My Programme Guide is handy, but the copyright is old: 1982. Does anyone know if these groups still exist: Avon Fan Club in Kent (this may be the same as the Paul Darrow Society) Blake's 7 in London Blake's 7 Swop & Buy Fan Club in Manchester Frontier Worlds in Cheshire Imipac in Middlesex Liberator Popular Front in London Scorpio's Seven in Cleveland (UK not Ohio) Standard by Seven in Berks Tariel Cell in Cheshire Vilaworld in Dorset Some of these may be magazines/fanzines rather than fan clubs. Just curious. It's been such a treat discovering all of you fellow fans on the various lists. I was all alone in a sea of faces saying, "what's that?" Susie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:28:41 -0700 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Cally/Avon and other Pairings Message-ID: <38FD6027.9EB72B12@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From Ariana: ... JENNA: We're not leaving him there. AVON: We have to. He's a crusader. He'll look upon all this as just one more weapon to use against the Federation. And he can't win. You know he can't win. What do you want to be rich or dead? (picks up necklace) We might never have this opportunity again. Lots of "we" from Avon in there. Obviously, I'm not suggesting for one minute that Avon really would like to scamper off with Jenna to their own planet. But with nothing but subtext to explore, I think we can probably find any subtext we like. :) Avon has many skills, but a good pilot would come in handy if he wanted to escape with the Liberator. He always valued usefulness over personality (most of the time). Servalan and Avon would only work in fantasy - Avon was right in "Aftermath" about his being "dead in a week." But... under different circumstances, if Servalan and Avon were on the same side, they could be a formidable team in and out of bed. I was more intrigued by Servalan and Tarrant's pairing. It was unexpected which made it more fun. But Tarrant shows no further interest in the remainder of the series, unlike Avon who seems haunted by his encounters with Servalan. Anyone who enjoys the ridiculous can join me in imagining Servalan and Vila together... he'd unlock her security system... nimble fingers he has! Or how about Servalan and Gan? She likes a big hunky guy, right? Gan's kinda cute and I always loved his long robe-like vest garment. Susie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:33:36 -0700 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Horizon Message-ID: <38FD6150.52ABAB04@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Fielding wondered: > >What does A:ATA mean? >'Avon: A Terrible Aspect'. Or was that 'Prospect'? Joanne: Depends on what you are looking at, I suppose. And we know what some people are looking at... Mother always said it was impolite to stare... but... sigh.... Susie (wink) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:46:19 -0700 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: B7 RPG Info Message-ID: <38FD644A.BC44527C@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Dorian, for the RPG info - looks good. I did a little role-playing in college and was only able to indulge in between shows (I was a Theatre Major). My boyfriend was a GM for a Trek game and a friend of his did a variation of D&D with a medieval theme. I was a little ninja in that one which was good for laughs. I know I don't have the time for a RPG now, but I like that there's one (or more) out there. Would you consider transforming game scenarios into fanfic? Susie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:36:12 -0700 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Room at the Top Message-ID: <38FD6FFC.3B179F53@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thinking of "Girlfriend of the Week" candidates and how the "Boyfriend of the Week" candidates didn't fare much better. Somewhere, somebody with a lot of spare time has done up a tally sheet. Susie p.s. Hi Dana - I'm back from the LLL Conference. Thanks for the story and friendly emails. Will reply during the day (it's 1:30 am). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 02:30:02 PDT From: "Hellen Paskaleva" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Federation Logo Message-ID: <20000419093002.38437.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Tiger - >I have a friend who is believes that B7's Federation is what Star Trek's >Federation becomes after about four hundred years. Yeah, _I_ do believe so. It is logical - it is unlikely that they are a dozen "Earth Federations" - it is easier to think, that this is one and the same governing structure, evolved with the changes in the society. Moreover, it is typical for the political regimes to come with initial good intentions and later to mutate slowly into more and more restrictive and oppressive structures. It is interesting for me, however, what was that event, which triggered the transformation of the (more or less) democratic society in "Star Trek" into the despotic Blake's Federation. Hellen ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:46:34 +0100 (BST) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Federation Logo Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Hellen Paskaleva wrote: > Tiger - > >I have a friend who is believes that B7's Federation is what Star Trek's > >Federation becomes after about four hundred years. > > Yeah, _I_ do believe so. It is logical - it is unlikely that they are a > dozen "Earth Federations" - it is easier to think, that this is one and the > same governing structure, evolved with the changes in the society. It's even easier to think that 'Star Trek' is propaganda from the B7 Federation. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:09:09 PDT From: "Hellen Paskaleva" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Federation Logo Message-ID: <20000419130909.98466.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Iain Coleman - Hellen Paskaleva wrote: > > Tiger - > > >I have a friend who is believes that B7's Federation is what Star >Trek's > > >Federation becomes after about four hundred years. > > > > Yeah, _I_ do believe so. It is logical... > >It's even easier to think that 'Star Trek' is propaganda from the B7 >Federation. Or vice versa, probably? Hellen ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:09:10 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: [B7L] Carryinbg Concealed Message-ID: <38FD3166.A594BD39@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew O wrote: re: security swipe cards: the *Security Officers* told us that the cards were *very* importiant, and that they kept track of {us} ... soon everyone in our lab was trading cards on a semi-daily / random basis. ... the *Security Officers* were unhappy. ... i'll bet in *The Federation*, the *Security Officers* would have sent the whole lab group to the same Prison Colony. ------------------------------------------ Where you would have founded a new religion, with a high priest: "Leo" Hey, Up the Rebels! One small step for freedom of the individual. I am so proud to hear your tale. Here in the U.S. personal freedoms are being shot down like rebels at Gauda Prime. Individuals simply *must* start drawing a line and refuse to be tracked, monitored, tested, fingerprinted, implanted, satellite-scanned. Increasingly, citizens are treated as guilty until proven innocent. That is contrary to the Constitution, which exists to protect the rights of the individual, not the "Security Committee" / Federation. PatPat http://www.geocities.com/area51/1707 _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:56:15 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: [B7L] Torture Message-ID: <38FD2E5F.9DCC7FB@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Murray wrote: re Ariana's: >>I did get the feeling there was >>something not quite right with Avalon when they rescued her; she seemed too >>dazed and passive to be the rebel we saw earlier, but I initially put that >>down to her having been tortured ... >Yes, I liked this element of unpredictability. I have to say that I liked >the way Avalon looked 'dazed and passive', because it _looked_ as if she >had been tortured, unlike Princess Leia in 'Star Wars ... good point. not a hair or eyelash out of place on Leia. Avon, of course, looks positively shattered (or at least dazed and exhausted) after his torture scene in season 3 (no spoilers!) and even in season 4, (Moloch) after having his arm twisted, remains fragile for a spell. How does one really act after torture? I suppose it depends on the type and duration of abuse. Then there is the Vila approach: avoid torture altogether. PatPat -- http://www.geocities.com/area51/1707 _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:44:26 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: [B7L] First Impressions "Project Avalon" Message-ID: <38FD2B9A.A3D09135@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ariana wrote: >Possibly my only serious disappointment is that the Federation comes off as too cartoonish. But ... but I thought B7 *was* a cartoon! ':-o >As discussed before, Travis and Servalan are not exactly what I'd call complex characters, They are Boris and Natasha. Avon and Blake are Rocky and Bullwinkle. Avon: (snarling) "Well now, Blake, that trick never works." >Avalon could have been a good character, but I would have liked her better >if she hadn't been constantly paraded before us in various skimpy garments. hahahhaaha And on such a *cold* planet! >The actress failed to convince me that she was such a wonderful rebel -- Her first appearance was great; Travis threatens to kill all the captured rebels unless they turn over their leader, Avalon. Then this tiny creature steps forth from the massed rebels and bravely accepts retribution. Yes, it's a classically trite plot device. Yet she pulls it off well. >it's hard to take her speech about the lengths she's ready to go to >seriously when she's only wearing two strips of tin foil. Alas, yes, it's all downhill after the first part. >Of course, one could argue that the costumes were of Travis's choosing, or Vila's choosing. >and that most of what we saw of Avalon was actually her android replacement. who wouldn't be cold wearing two strips of metal tinfoil on an iceball planet. >But that aspect seemed a bit gratuitous. Gratuitous? At least we didn't have to watch a bounteous bevy of beautiful buxom blonde barbies candidly kissing Captain Kirk. PatPat -- http://www.geocities.com/area51/1707 _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:45:48 +-100 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] Federation Logo Message-ID: <01BFAA28.2D2868E0@host213-1-175-246.btinternet.com> Tiger wrote: >I have a friend who is believes that B7's Federation is what Star Trek's >Federation becomes after about four hundred years. That's always my interpretation of it. I'm a cynic :-) Louise ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:18:29 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: [B7L] Re: Legal Briefs (Now & Forever) Message-ID: <010101bfaa2c$86771fa0$8a694e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I saw the horns on the Animals critter costumes, I waited (in vain) for the ep to turn into a variant of "Red River," with Avon/John Wayne and Tarrant/Montgomery Clift arguing about a cattle drive. When I saw the critter makeup, I waited (in vain) for Og to sing "Memory" and get hauled up to the Heaviside layer. Which brings me to: [Bar Sinister letterhead] With respect to earlier communications, Ms. Sue does not represent the ENTIRE crew, a group for whom the phrase "Conflict of Interest" might have been invented. (In fact, that's not a bad name for an S1 zine.) We represent Roj Blake, on behalf of whom we would like to point out that although Kerr Avon holds the SEQUEL rights, he owns the MUSICAL rights, and a lovely family show it will be. His toe is already tapping: BLAKE: (To the tune of "Together, wherever we go" from Gypsy) No fits, no fights, no feuds, and no egos, Amigos, Together! If I start to dance, JENNA: We all start to dance, VILA: And sometimes, by chance, we're together. BLAKE: Whatever the trick, we can do it. CALLY: With teamwork, we're bound to get through it GAN: There really isn't anything to it. AVON: I knew it. We blew it. REST: Together! Ready to cluck defiance, Dewey Cheatham, Esq. -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:07:50 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: "Blakes 7 List" Subject: Liberator's vaults Message-ID: <006401bfaa32$b0471b40$8a259ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01BFAA11.07B79160" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01BFAA11.07B79160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm a newbie on the list, Steve Dobson. I've been writing a B7 = website for a while, and came across something. In "Cygnus Alpha", Avon = and Jenna search the Liberator and come across the vaults, holding gems = worth millions and millions of credits. I wonder what happened to all = these treasures, as in "Shadow", one of the reasons for contacting the = Terra Nostra is to utilize their resources. Something which Gan finds = repugnant. Maybe they would have problems turning the Gems into Federation credits? = Or were they looking for other "resources" from the Terra Nostra? Steve. http://webhome.idirect.com/~cgorman/b7/index.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01BFAA11.07B79160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, I'm a newbie on the list, Steve Dobson.  = I've been=20 writing a B7 website for a while, and came across something.  In = "Cygnus=20 Alpha", Avon and Jenna search the Liberator and come across the vaults, = holding=20 gems worth millions and millions of credits.  I wonder what = happened to all=20 these treasures, as in "Shadow", one of the reasons for contacting the = Terra=20 Nostra is to utilize their resources.  Something which Gan finds=20 repugnant.
 
Maybe they would have problems turning the Gems into = Federation credits?  Or were they looking for other "resources" = from the=20 Terra Nostra?
 
 
Steve.
http://webhome.= idirect.com/~cgorman/b7/index.htm
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0061_01BFAA11.07B79160-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:31:03 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: [B7L] fanfic Message-ID: <38FDED57.B30C317B@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a site all about fanfic, with a few exerpts pasted in this post. PatPat http://slate.msn.com/Features/fanfic/fanfic.asp In his Textual Poachers: Television Fans and Participatory Culture, MIT's Jenkins argues that fanfic represents a flowering of modern folk culture. For thousands of years, we have shared stories about mythical popular heroes, from Prometheus to Paul Bunyan to Brer Rabbit. Each storyteller embellished the tale, inventing characters, adding details, rewriting the ending. In the 20th century, however, folk culture has been privatized. The characters we share today are TV icons and movie heroes. Paul Bunyan has been supplanted by Xena. These characters don't belong to the public. They are literally owned by studios and producers, who run the character's "life" and expect us to accept their decisions gratefully. (who can accept Gauda Prime gratefully?) Writing fanfic, Jenkins argues, is an act of "fascination and frustration." Writers are fascinated by the characters but frustrated at the cavalier way producers treat them. (let's kill 'em all!) Fanfic is a "way of repairing the damage done to the core mythology by producers who mess up. The fanfic folk culture pulls it back into realignment." When producers make a beloved character disappear or end a love affair that should continue, fanfic restores the mythology. (sounds like Avon/Cally) Fanfic also can be a political act, a way to elevate marginalized minority characters. (True Church of Travis, take note!) But fanfic turns writing into a communal art, as folk culture has always done. Writing and reading become collaborative. We share the characters and work together to make them interesting and funny and sexy. Write a short story about your crazy uncle and post it on the Web, and no one will read it. Write a short story about Dr. Who, and hundreds of folks will flock to your site. Fanfic writers meet at conventions ("cons"). Thanks to the Internet, writers communicate constantly on e-mail listservs. (hey! sounds like the lyst) _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:40:41 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Horizon/Fan Clubs Message-ID: In message <38FD5E08.8F4BB8E8@home.com>, Susie Wright writes >I feel like I should go look at Judith's site since she has a listing >for just about everything B7-related. There's a page on Judith's site for fanclubs and mailing lists. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #113 **************************************